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Are there sanctioned debates between DNC chairs-candidates in the past before they're placed by the party?
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Al! posted:all threads in dnd are hell threads
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Nonsense posted:Are there sanctioned debates between DNC chairs-candidates in the past before they're placed by the party? nope
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Dec 13, 2016 19:42
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Obama's not perfect but he's the best president by orders of magnitude in almost any of our lifetimes so I dunno what yall are railing against
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Dec 13, 2016 19:42
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I think Ellison is all but won at this point but I don't understand what of Perez' stuff you think would cost us the election when he's incredibly similar to Ellison? I do have one completely selfish reason for hoping Perez gets it (I don't want to lose Ellison as my congressman). I do think, while Perez's policy chops (free trade stuff as reported here earlier aside) and record as Secretary of Labor are solid, Ellison having been an organizer basically his entire adult life is what sets him ahead for this particular job.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:44
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loquacius posted:On the other hand Bill Clinton has hero status too, look how "useful" he was True, invoking his name but not having him on the campaign trail should probably be the strategy. Another big critique of the Clinton campaign was the constant looking back to the 90s with rose hued glasses, further helping obscure any vision of the future.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:45
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Tatsuta Age posted:Obama's not perfect but he's the best president by orders of magnitude in almost any of our lifetimes so I dunno what yall are railing against Didn't usher in full communism, might as well be hitler
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Dec 13, 2016 19:46
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Tatsuta Age posted:Obama's not perfect but he's the best president by orders of magnitude in almost any of our lifetimes so I dunno what yall are railing against some men see things as they are and ask why, but i dream of things that never were and ask why not~
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Dec 13, 2016 19:46
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Tatsuta Age posted:Obama's not perfect but he's the best president by orders of magnitude in almost any of our lifetimes so I dunno what yall are railing against He'll be more useful as a example of Republican betrayal than as a example of democratic success in future campaigns IMHO.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:46
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I love my dead gay legacy -Barack obama
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Dec 13, 2016 19:46
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Tatsuta Age posted:Obama's not perfect but he's the best president by orders of magnitude in almost any of our lifetimes so I dunno what yall are railing against I'm kinda mad he won't have enjoyed the presidency from the tyrannical perspective, while Trump is going to run roughshod over all precedence. Especially considering the glee with which people who defamed him and his family are going to erase his presidency in all but the official photo that they put next to W.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:47
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Tatsuta Age posted:Obama's not perfect but he's the best president by orders of magnitude in almost any of our lifetimes so I dunno what yall are railing against  I mean I can't think of any better during my lifetime, which technically includes Carter (though I was far too young to actually pay any attention back then).
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Dec 13, 2016 19:47
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[leaning into microphone] WRONG! Healthcare is a human right.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:47
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Also gently caress Donald Trump making rage inducing spasms possible
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Dec 13, 2016 19:48
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docbeard posted:I do have one completely selfish reason for hoping Perez gets it (I don't want to lose Ellison as my congressman). I can't really argue that. Yea like I said I think Ellison has it won and Perez is just kinda there for the Obama side to say 'look see we're not against guys like this', but I think either would be fine. I do agree Ellison being an organizer is a big plus on his side, though. Basically someone with a track record of good and progressive policy or someone with a track record of good and progressive activism as well as a good record of progressive policy. There's no bad option there but yea, one is a stronger choice. Optimus Subprime posted:True, invoking his name but not having him on the campaign trail should probably be the strategy. Another big critique of the Clinton campaign was the constant looking back to the 90s with rose hued glasses, further helping obscure any vision of the future. Obama's really loving good on the campaign trail dude, Clinton used to be good but hasn't been as good since. His one real solid thing was his DNC speech for Hillary, Obama's still real fuckin good and should be used before he becomes a sad old man too.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:48
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lamo donald trump is the best president in our lifetimes obamas easily the worst in my lifetime easily
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Dec 13, 2016 19:49
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Michelle's speech was really good too, in fact perhaps the better speech. America then replied: lol no
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Dec 13, 2016 19:50
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The telecom act of 1996 was a piece of poo poo that played a large part in the mess we're in today. For as many centrist liberal shitheads as there are out there complaining about the sorry state of the media, you'd think one or two of them would realize that all that deregulation and consolidation came about because bill Clinton, et al couldn't stop slobbering over corporate dicks, the fuckers. And while I'm at it: If TVA's rural electrification was rolled out in the same manner as rural broadband, I wouldn't be posting this because I'd still be in the goddamned dark. We've only just now finally had DSL installed here for three years ago. Market-based solutions my hairy rear end in a top hat.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:50
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Nonsense posted:I'm kinda mad he won't have enjoyed the presidency from the tyrannical perspective, while Trump is going to run roughshod over all precedence. Especially considering the glee with which people who defamed him and his family are going to erase his presidency in all but the official photo that they put next to W. haha, as if he's going to leave W's photo up. that's the first thing that goes when he redecorates the white house (the second thing is any piece of crown molding or cornice not currently covered in gold leaf).
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Dec 13, 2016 19:51
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Obama's really loving good on the campaign trail dude, Clinton used to be good but hasn't been as good since. His one real solid thing was his DNC speech for Hillary, Obama's still real fuckin good and should be used before he becomes a sad old man too. And yet she still lost.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:52
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Nonsense posted:Michelle's speech was really good too, in fact perhaps the better speech. America then replied: lol no hell I'd say if you had to pick one Obama as your campaign buddy I'd go with Michelle over Barrack.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:52
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The market cannot be trusted to benefit anyone but the people who game the market and killed off all their competition. The market is a tool that works for the people, not the other way around. full socialism now
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Dec 13, 2016 19:53
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shove the Clinton/Obama camp right out the airlock
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Dec 13, 2016 19:53
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Optimus Subprime posted:And yet she still lost. yea it's almost like she poo poo the bed horribly in important things like ground game that has nothing to do with her allies? Like, Obama being good on the trail and Clinton utterly failing GOTV efforts are not related things.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:53
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Don't let your candidate be over shadowed by their campaigner IMHO.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:53
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Optimus Subprime posted:Don't let your candidate be over shadowed by their campaigner IMHO. Ooooh sorry, was this your point? I absolutely agree, then.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:54
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Baloogan posted:lamo donald trump is the best president in our lifetimes woah brain-damaged canadian chud who drinks literal garbage liquid has a bad opinion. shocking.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:54
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Tatum Girlparts posted:hell I'd say if you had to pick one Obama as your campaign buddy I'd go with Michelle over Barrack. oh yeah most definitely. Michelle was on point all campaign.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:55
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paranoid randroid posted:woah brain-damaged canadian chud who drinks literal garbage liquid has a bad opinion. shocking. im drinking tea
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Dec 13, 2016 19:56
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Al! posted:haha, as if he's going to leave W's photo up. that's the first thing that goes when he redecorates the white house (the second thing is any piece of crown molding or cornice not currently covered in gold leaf). He's gonna put that portrait he bought with Trump Foundation money overtop all the presidential photos. Someone alert Dave Fahrenthold.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:56
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the greatest post-Obama political tragedy for the dems is that Michelle hates DC and wants to go home, because she's easily the best Obama.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:56
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paranoid randroid posted:oh yeah most definitely. Michelle was on point all campaign. no one is ever gonna tell me to eat vegtables and drink water waht am i an ANIMAL?
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Dec 13, 2016 19:57
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Baloogan posted:no one is ever gonna tell me to eat vegtables and drink water waht am i an ANIMAL? You just said you were drinking tea! VEGETABLE WATER!
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Dec 13, 2016 19:57
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Ooooh sorry, was this your point? I absolutely agree, then. The whole Clinton campaign was a clown show in retrospect, but her lack of charisma was super stark when compared to both Obamas. I groaned out loud a couple of times during her nomination acceptance speech. Also, Chelsea's speech was even worse. How she's even related to slick Willy, I don't even know.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:57
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paranoid randroid posted:woah brain-damaged canadian chud who drinks literal garbage liquid has a bad opinion. shocking. u gotta problem with chuds motherfucker? son of my best friends are chuds 
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Dec 13, 2016 19:58
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that Ta-Nehisi Coates piece was pretty good imo
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Dec 13, 2016 19:59
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Tatum Girlparts posted:the greatest post-Obama political tragedy for the dems is that Michelle hates DC and wants to go home, because she's easily the best Obama. 
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Dec 13, 2016 19:59
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docbeard posted:He's gonna put that portrait he bought with Trump Foundation money overtop all the presidential photos. Someone alert Dave Fahrenthold. hes going to sell the presidential portraits for millions to benefit his charity then use that money to blow his likeness into the side of the moon for charity
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Dec 13, 2016 19:59
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also incredibly depressing and made me need a cigarette immediately afterwards
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docbeard posted:You just said you were drinking tea! VEGETABLE WATER! bah id like to burn down and entirely torch fuckin akers of fields of clamato plants
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