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Clinton didn't win because what voters actually wanted was Socks back in the White House
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Zikan posted:also incredibly depressing and made me need a cigarette immediately afterwards It's been really bad today
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I may NOT BE Michelle.......... Obama......... but I do think AMERICA needs......... STRONG ARMS!
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Baloogan posted:bah id like to burn down and entirely torch fuckin akers of fields of clamato plants we're making good progress on destroying the seas so half your work is already done
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Joementum posted:I may NOT BE Michelle.......... Obama......... but I do think AMERICA needs......... STRONG ARMS! im jus flexin
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NumberLast posted:Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to imply capitalism = bad and socialism = wonderful. I really don't think that's true though, because the human tendencies that cause corruption/misgovernment and things like imperialism aren't meaningfully addressed by socialism. There are about a zillion historical parallels demonstrating this, even in governments that operate by totally different standards- i.e. we've seen theocracies that are ostensibly non-capitalistic and theoretically have strong codes of behavior that should be a safeguard against such abuses and they exhibited exactly the same behaviors. Socialism is only "potentially good" and social democratic forms of capitalism "inevitably bad" if you're willing to ignore the actual historic attempts to implement socialism and continue to hold to a naive belief that humans will now be better than they ever actually have been for unelucidated reasons, while judging the latter by entirely different criteria. If you judged them by the same criteria, there's very little reason to believe a social democracy populated by our ahistorically better near-humans wouldn't be happy and stable into perpetuity. That's not really how it works though, because everything ultimately winds down if you don't put in the effort to maintain it. The corrosive forces affecting a socialist regime just aren't nearly as apparent when you're looking at the world through a framework intended to trenchantly critique the flaws capitalism, but they definitely and demonstrably exist and it's not "lol USSR" to say so.
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alright, best HUMAN Obama. Optimus Subprime posted:The whole Clinton campaign was a clown show in retrospect, but her lack of charisma was super stark when compared to both Obamas. I groaned out loud a couple of times during her nomination acceptance speech. Yea then sorry because we totally agree after all it seems. Clinton could have saved her charisma issue by, ya know, being on the ball with the ground game and just making a case of 'look I get it I'm not super charismatic on the debate stage but I loving know this stuff and my opponent is an idiot', it's been done plenty of times before in much less extreme contrasts. Without any efforts to fight that, though, yea you wind up standing next to people who are way more charismatic than you and your base just kinda thinks 'can we get Obama again?' Her trying to jack 'when they go low we go high' was probably the worst example of it, you had a great line that came in the context of a fantastic speech about dignity and respect vs Trump's scum and...you just copy the line and say 'I'M FRIENDS WITH HER!!!!" as if that's enough.
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Nonsense posted:It's been really bad today i picked a bad life to quit smoking
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guys I'm submitting an article to dailykos, so what do you think of the title? "Why You Should Be Happy That The Children of Trump Voters Won't Have School Lunches Anymore"
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:guys I'm submitting an article to dailykos, so what do you think of the title? Why you should be happy the towns downwind of the Muslim ovens are trump supporters
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Dec 13, 2016 20:06
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:guys I'm submitting an article to dailykos, so what do you think of the title? Better than mine: "Those Uneducated Hicks Are Dying And I'm Glad And This Attitude Definitely Isn't Why We Lost The Election".
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:guys I'm submitting an article to dailykos, so what do you think of the title? You can effectively troll "feels reddit/imgur" pics of crying veterans, or people crying from emotional events occuring in the gif, and then you just mention they voted for Trump, and voila.
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Dec 13, 2016 20:07
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docbeard posted:Better than mine: "Those Uneducated Hicks Are Dying And I'm Glad And This Attitude Definitely Isn't Why We Lost The Election". we didn't lose the election, idiot, it was stolen
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Someone repost the chart comparing Clinton's ad-buys in Los Angeles & Madison. I'm on the depressive phase of the manic-depressive cycle and need to be reminded of the blindingly stupid moves Clinton made so I don't slip into believing our descent into Handmaid's Tale + the shittier parts of Shadowrun is inevitable
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Nonsense posted:You can effectively troll "feels reddit/imgur" pics of crying veterans, or people crying from emotional events occuring in the gif, and then you just mention they voted for Trump, and voila. what if you put them in a gif with a single frame of goatse that triggers only every 5 mins
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LGD posted:I really don't think that's true though, because the human tendencies that cause corruption/misgovernment and things like imperialism aren't meaningfully addressed by socialism. There are about a zillion historical parallels demonstrating this, even in governments that operate by totally different standards- i.e. we've seen theocracies that are ostensibly non-capitalistic and theoretically have strong codes of behavior that should be a safeguard against such abuses and they exhibited exactly the same behaviors. Socialism is only "potentially good" and social democratic forms of capitalism "inevitably bad" if you're willing to ignore the actual historic attempts to implement socialism and continue to hold to a naive belief that humans will now be better than they ever actually have been for unelucidated reasons, while judging the latter by entirely different criteria. If you judged them by the same criteria, there's very little reason to believe a social democracy populated by our ahistorically better near-humans wouldn't be happy and stable into perpetuity. That's not really how it works though, because everything ultimately winds down if you don't put in the effort to maintain it. You say "misgovernment" when you should say "inequitable use of resources." Any political system has the potential for corruption and misgovernment, but only socialism allows for democratic management of production and labor. Socialism is objectively better for this reason.
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Socialism allows more room to correct systemic problems, because the direction of society & the economy have a political oversight, whereas capitalism follows its own logic of accumulation according to market forces. It's either the tyranny of democracy or the tyranny of a ledger, folks.
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Al! posted:i picked a bad life to quit smoking this election basically made me go from a former smoker who rarely drank and exercised 3 times a week to destroying my body with alcohol and cigarettes and not doing poo poo 
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Zikan posted:this election basically made me go from a former smoker who rarely drank and exercised 3 times a week to destroying my body with alcohol and cigarettes and not doing poo poo owned
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Dec 13, 2016 20:18
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He's right though, if we're all going to be herded into dissident camps it's only sensible to destroy your health to the the point where you're confined to the medical tarp away from the roving gangs of geogrpahy professors
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I'm on the Trump diet
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Al! posted:i picked a bad life to quit smoking Not to mention drinking, amphetamines, and sniffing glue!
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The Kingfish posted:You say "misgovernment" when you should say "inequitable use of resources." Any political system has the potential for corruption and misgovernment, but only socialism allows for democratic management of production and labor. Socialism is objectively better for this reason. No, because I intended it to cover inequitable use of resources in addition to other things. Are you suggesting socialism somehow prevents inequitable distributions? Also I genuinely don't see any real advantages to full socialism, since social democratic states can run necessary industries directly, arrangements like work councils exist, and it's far from clear that "democratic management" (which has historically often far from democratic) is actually a desirable state of affairs in many industries.
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Dec 13, 2016 20:23
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Joementum posted:Life's different after your windfall comes, I guess. It's an understandable thing to say "screw you, this is what you voted for", no one should deny that. It has a certain visceral pleasure to it. Notice I said "understandable", not "defensible". That said, we shouldn't be indulging ourselves in such things if we actually want to win again and get poo poo done. It doesn't do anything except provide more padding for the liberal hugbox.
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hearing tommy vietor on keepin' it 1600, ground zero for obama-worship, say bernie was right regarding health care was pretty cool tho 
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LGD posted:No, because I intended it to cover inequitable use of resources in addition to other things. Are you suggesting socialism somehow prevents inequitable distributions? Social democracy sounds nice on paper, but doesn't work in practice.
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seems to me once you have the socialism, the democracy is unnecessary, comrade.
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Zikan posted:hearing tommy vietor on keepin' it 1600, ground zero for obama-worship, say bernie was right regarding health care was pretty cool tho Every time somebody mentions that podcast they seem to be level headed in a way that politico and other politics discussion programs are not, the others are just unhinged in analysis or conclusions stretched beyond belief.
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Dec 13, 2016 20:28
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Al! posted:cspam is the only place on the internet where i've seen people actually apologize to each-other for getting too heated over a difference of opinion
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Nonsense posted:Also again, make C-SPAM the main forum, and D&D the subforum for idiots 
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Alter Ego posted:It's an understandable thing to say "screw you, this is what you voted for", no one should deny that. It has a certain visceral pleasure to it. Notice I said "understandable", not "defensible". Pretty much. Not only is it not a great thing to feel that we shouldn't celebrate, we should also draw a line between 'yea no poo poo you voted for the guy who said he'd do this, rear end in a top hat' and 'HAHA I'M HAPPY YOU WILL NOW DIE IN POVERTY EVEN MORE YOU FUCKBOI SUCK A DICK DUMBSHIT!!!!' Like, again, neither is good but at least one is kinda general 'yea, warned you' and the other is actively enjoying someone else's suffering and that's pretty hosed up!
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LGD posted:No, because I intended it to cover inequitable use of resources in addition to other things. Are you suggesting socialism somehow prevents inequitable distributions? Equitable distribution is not a given under socialism, but only a socialist government can prevent inequitable distribution. Capitalism is necessarily unable to act according to these types of social policy goals.
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Nonsense posted:Every time somebody mentions that podcast they seem to be level headed in a way that politico and other politics discussion programs are not, the others are just unhinged in analysis or conclusions stretched beyond belief. even tho they aren't the FULL COMMUNISM NOW of chapo trap house, they have a level headed "you gotta do politics to win politics" type of analysis rather then the whole "if only these idiots saw the blinging brillance of hillary clinton" narrative. Jon Favreau was pissed at the dem's and the media for going with a "this set bad precedents!!!" attack on trump's Carrier job deal scam rather then "It's great trump saved 700 hundred jobs. why did he have to sacrifice 1300 to do it?" jon lovett still has some hillary gas in his tank however so it's really annoying when it comes out
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Nonsense posted:Also again, make C-SPAM the main forum, and D&D the subforum for idiots this is just a way to ruin csapm faster than it will ruin itself
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like trump's ground game, c-spam exists as the main forum of our hearts
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make cspam great again
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2020 starts now!!!quote:PPP's newest national poll finds Democrats sending mixed messages when it comes to their 2020 Presidential candidate.
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Nonsense posted:Every time somebody mentions that podcast they seem to be level headed in a way that politico and other politics discussion programs are not, the others are just unhinged in analysis or conclusions stretched beyond belief. It's good, they were wrong about the election, but they owned up to it.
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