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Robot Style posted:Patrick Wilson was already in BvS as the US President. I hope he's playing the same character. I'm going to be disappointed if the Batman movie isn't an adaptation of the story where the Joker became Iran's ambassador to the UN.
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I'm surprised Jackie Earl Hailey isn't in the DCCU already. Maybe he'll be Snapper Carr.
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Kinda wish that a Pacific Islander was playing Orm, but Wilson is still a great choice.
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Deadpool just won Best Comedy at the Critic's Choice Awards, in addition to the Golden Globes nominations for the movie and for Reynolds. edit: Also Hugh Jackman took a pay cut to ensure that the budget for Logan is low enough so that Fox will let it have an R rating. The MSJ fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Dec 13, 2016 03:40
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Equeen posted:Kinda wish that a Pacific Islander was playing Orm, but Wilson is still a great choice. Mera and Vulko are being played by Amber Heard and Willem Dafoe, and now with Patrick Wilson being cast as Ocean Master, that pretty much explains Aquaman's father/human side is Polynesian. Atlanteans are gonna be caucasian in the DCEU I guess. teagone fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Dec 13, 2016 03:50
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In at least one version Orm is Inuit. Edit: and so is Aquaman's son. Bring back Koryak!
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teagone posted:Mera and Vulko are being played by Amber Heard and Willem Dafoe, and now with Patrick Wilson being cast as Ocean Master, that pretty much explains Aquaman's father/human side is Polynesian. Atlanteans are gonna be caucasian in the DCEU I guess. Yeah after some thought it's very possible that Aquaman's father could be Polynesian, so I'll try to stay optimistic about that.
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Electromax posted:So his friend knows he's Spiderman? I don't remember anyone in the old movies/comics knowing that, but I haven't read any of the comics since like 2003. I've always known he was Spiderman.
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The MSJ posted:edit: The hero we need.
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Just came back from watching Dr. Strange. I guess it was ok. Felt like your average MCU origin story movie. The best parts were the mid- and post-credits.
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McCloud posted:SMG, would you mind talking a bit about SS? I felt that it was thoroughly underwhelming when taken at face value. What about it did you like? With Suicide Squad, the first thing to understand is that it's a parody of the MCU films and the basic Avengers premise. The joke is that the heroes are genuinely awful criminal people, but also no different from Tony Stark or Steve Rogers. (The only reason they're in jail and Stark is free is because they're all minorities.) Nobody learns a lesson, and they just get surreptitiously deployed into a barely-disguised Toronto to fight a beam of light. The too-obvious music cues are a nod to Snyder's Watchmen, and Suicide Squad mainly functions as that film's trashier b-movie companion piece. The happy face even cameos in one scene. The characters can quirk and quip all they want, but the emphasis is on all the levels of control imposed by this female Nick Fury as she manipulates the narrative itself into making it seem like heroism is taking place. It's basically a version of Deadpool that doesn't explain the jokes. And whenever a big genre movie doesn't explain the jokes, you invariably get big popular success - accompanied by online hate from ppl who didn't realize they were watching a comedy. (e.g. Prometheus, Transformers, the first three Star Wars, Twilight...)
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That's an interesting premise but doesn't actually make the film good or enjoyable. The best parodies stand on their own as good films even if you have no idea what they're referencing.
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greatn posted:That's an interesting premise but doesn't actually make the film good or enjoyable. The best parodies stand on their own as good films even if you have no idea what they're referencing. You're making a distinction between "references" and parody that doesn't actually exist. There's no such thing as a work of fiction that transcends context. Also Prometheus, Transformers, and Twilight are all enjoyable in their own right. Twilight in particular is hysterically funny as long as you can, like, remember being a teenager at one point.
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I ain't going to bat for the Star Wars prequels though
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I will. They are good.
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greatn posted:That's an interesting premise but doesn't actually make the film good or enjoyable. The best parodies stand on their own as good films even if you have no idea what they're referencing. And Suicide Squad is genuinely well-made, in exactly the same way that a given MCU film is. It even has better cinematography. The only difference is that it is less 'tasteful'. Dropping Fortunate Son into the film is jarring, for example, whereas Iron Man's use of ACDC is shrugworthy. The plot is exactly as 'nonsensical' as in Avengers (because it's the same plot), but the filmmakers take less pains to disguise it. They mine it for abstract, associative imagery. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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greatn posted:I will. They are good. Imagine that boring stretch in the middle of Suicide Squad from where they start shooting faceless ex-civilians to around the bar scene, except it's 142 minutes long.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Imagine that boring stretch in the middle of Suicide Squad from where they start shooting faceless ex-civilians to around the bar scene, except it's 142 minutes long. Imagine an Amway pitch from a narcoleptic that never ends.
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Real post below:
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Reviewers (professional and otherwise) are consistently thrown off by Snyder's refusal to make either a 'real' movie or a 'superhero garbage' movie. (And Suicide Squad is very much Ayer doing his version of a Snyder film). What Snyder does is to simply take the language of superhero garbage - the 'expanded universe' teaser, the post-credits sequence, etc. - and makes use of it. He makes no effort to disguise that he is making a megabudget franchise film, and he instead exploits the unique formal qualities of this medium. Moore and Gibbons made similar use of speech bubbles and panel layouts, which is why Snyder was so well-suited towards adapting Watchmen. In Dawn Of Justice, for example, the 'EU teaser' scene is used to show Wonder Woman literally being put under the supervision and control of a corporation. And Wonder Woman herself watches this video of her identity being commodified, with horror. The Ultimate Edition even has the words "ULTIMATE EDITION" appended to the title sequence. I've never seen that in a film before. Have you? That text is typically reserved for advertisements - DVD cases. But this movie announces that it is part of an edition. Snyder draws attention to the fact that his film is being mass-produced and sold It's the same joke as when Deadpool repeatedly explains that he's aware of being trapped inside the Xmen franchise - minus the direct explanation.
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Why is SS a parody of the MCU and Tony Stark, but not the DCU and Bruce Wayne? And does parodying other movies automatically make a movie good?
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quote:The Ultimate Edition even has the words "ULTIMATE EDITION" appended to the title sequence. I've never seen that in a film before. Did South Park do that with the Bigger, Longer, and Uncut joke?
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UmOk posted:Why is SS a parody of the MCU and Tony Stark, but not the DCU and Bruce Wayne? Yes, I am saying that parodying other movies automatically makes a movie good.
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RBA Starblade posted:Did South Park do that with the Bigger, Longer, and Uncut joke? That was the name of the theatrical release of the movie.
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UmOk posted:Why is SS a parody of the MCU and Tony Stark, but not the DCU and Bruce Wayne? Bruce Wayne shows up specifically in SS as a parody of Tony Stark.
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UmOk posted:That was the name of the theatrical release of the movie. Right but that wasn't the original theatrical cut. They didn't get the rating they wanted (initially got NC-17) and kept making it longer until the board gave them their R because they didn't want to watch it anymore. The "Bigger, Longer, and Uncut" was basically a direct threat to the intended audience(the ratings board)
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Who is a bigger criminal: Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne?
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UmOk posted:Who is a bigger criminal: Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne? Stark has committed more war crimes, so definitely him. Batman's sphere of influence is still mostly petty criminals in a single city. Stark builds autonomous robots that drive those numbers to billions in damages and thousands of casualties. 
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UmOk posted:Who is a bigger criminal: Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne? Bruce has never repeatedly put the world in danger doing the same thing over and over again So you know
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IIRC Wayne is also an arms dealer.
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UmOk posted:Who is a bigger criminal: Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne? Wayne. He defrauds people with vigilante insurance he has no intention of paying out.
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Thinking you're fighting God is better than thinking you are God, even if both are mistaken.
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Dexo posted:Wayne. He defrauds people with vigilante insurance he has no intention of paying out. We haven't seen Powerless yet so the jury is out. Maybe his company pays equitably.
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Well Stark is at least transparent with his atrocities. Wayne hides behind a mask and spends his billions on gadgets to help him beat up poor people.
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Batman is the criminal, Wayne is just a cool dude.
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Ah. Batman and Bruce Wayne are separate characters. So Batman can smash poor minorities in the face while Bruce Wayne pats himself on the back for making charitable donations. Kinda like the "hole in the sheet."
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We should get good people like Bruce Wayne in office so he has the power to outlaw the criminal vigilante known as Batman.
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Detective No. 27 posted:We should get good people like Bruce Wayne in office so he has the power to outlaw the criminal vigilante known as Batman. That would make a great story. Bruce Wayne running for major on an anti-Batman platform.
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Everyone in the Marvel universe has been President, has Bruce Wayne ever been President?
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Everyone in the Marvel universe has been President, has Bruce Wayne ever been President? He ran, but his opponent was Squirrel Girl.
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