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Or maybe its not new, and it is in fact something many of us have been criticizing him on for nearly eight years because in reality he pursued a lot of lovely policies
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i dunno about "best" but Obama is certainly the Dadliest prez
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hey maybe even if Obama was a Double Double Secret Neoliberal Agent Animal Style people seem to approve of things like the ACA in the abstract and even Trump supporters seem to have wanted to fix its problems rather than abolish it completely, so maybe going forward we should say that we want to build on Obama's flawed achievements and make them what he would've wanted even if that's a lie because it plays better than screaming that every popular Democrat ever has really been a Dolchstoss
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Dec 14, 2016 01:23
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That isnt to say he wasnt better than all of our alternatices because he was and i am glad he existed and beat them, but he is still a big part of why the dems are currently poo poo
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Dec 14, 2016 01:24
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dilbro is kind of a cultural conservative, not a political one. there are lots of types of people who are cultural conservatives: religious conservatives, gun-rights or prepper types, and lately MRAs/neo-reactionaries/straight up nazis. a lot of these people have no political beliefs that could be remotely recognized as conservative, but nevertheless consolidate themselves into the larger conservative movement, whether because they're pandered to (religious), frightened into it (preppers) or they just identify their oppressors on the left (MRAs, nazis). i know some very politically apathetic old school chantard/troll types who nevertheless were rooting really hard for trump because they hate "SJWs" and identify those people with support of democrats/clinton.
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rudatron posted:it was obamas job to get his party into line, it's what his base wanted, but he dropped the ball it worked pretty well until you realize that lieberman wasn't a dem
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he has a tendency to avoid conflict, which was exploited by both his opposition and people within his own party who set out to prevent any kind of positive change in america, because they personally benefit from it that makes him a puppet maybe he doesn't see himself as a puppet, and maybe he says to himself that "well i wanted a public option but it just wasn't in the cards" thing is, that's bullshit more than making change, more than fulfilling his obligation, he wanted to be seen as a 'good guy', that, is why he secretly didn't want to do any of the poo poo he promised to do because then someone may not like him
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Could also see him going for Governor. https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/808828412869615617
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By his own admission Obama's said politically he's more akin to an early 90's Republican, it's not like these are crazy impositions to make about his politics. Also, I still really don't get why Perez wants to be DNC chair.
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GlyphGryph posted:Well he could have tried asking for it or somehow signaling its inclusion was important. From all appearances he never even supported implenting it. the public option? it was in the law until they had to make john mccain's bizzaro universe running mate happy you either had his vote or no ACA at all
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GlyphGryph posted:That isnt to say he wasnt better than all of our alternatices because he was and i am glad he existed and beat them, but he is still a big part of why the dems are currently poo poo Aurubin posted:By his own admission Obama's said politically he's more akin to an early 90's Republican, it's not like these are crazy impositions to make about his politics. Also, I still really don't get why Perez wants to be DNC chair. the school of reagan has left a long and destructive legacy for long enough and lmao if you think that economic model will continue to work
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Joementum posted:Could also see him going for Governor. i'm upset that the onion's secret agent kerry persona never took off
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Joementum posted:Could also see him going for Governor. I dislike Kerry intensely but he has a shot at MA governor -- the current guy is a Republican after all. If we know what is good for us we will not let him run for loving President.
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Joementum posted:Could also see him going for Governor. hed be fine as a governor but lmao @ kerry for prez 2020
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Controversial opinion: obama was not politically effective enough to keep democrats from losing power
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Control Volume posted:Controversial opinion: obama was not politically effective enough to keep democrats from losing power
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Joementum posted:Could also see him going for Governor. I wanna see someone like Eldridge or Sannicandro take a run for governor but knowing our luck it's gonna be tsongas or Lynch if someone could persuade Seth Moulton to run I'd be very happy
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Control Volume posted:Controversial opinion: obama was not politically effective enough to keep democrats from losing power Corollary: The Clintons are to blame for most of what's gone wrong for Democrats because they're the termites who ate away at the DNC for years. The fact that Obama carried the Rust Belt twice and Hillary pissed it away illustrates that he was an anomaly in terms of how Democrats campaigned.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Corollary: The Clintons are to blame for most of what's gone wrong for Democrats because they're the termites who ate away at the DNC for years. The Clintons' tragic flaw is hubris, they spent years developing a stranglehold on the Democratic Party and assumed that translated to a stranglehold on the country
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Corollary: The Clintons are to blame for most of what's gone wrong for Democrats because they're the termites who ate away at the DNC for years. The fact that Obama carried the Rust Belt twice and Hillary pissed it away illustrates that he was an anomaly in terms of how Democrats campaigned. Hahaha this site is still up http://www.hillaryis44.org/
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at least we're finally free from the kind of politics clinton and obama practiced and can now reform the party in a positive directi *chelsea clinton and john kerry lurch from the shadows and tear out my throat just before the credits roll*
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Stexils posted:at least we're finally free from the kind of politics clinton and obama practiced and can now reform the party in a positive directi *chelsea clinton and john kerry lurch from the shadows and tear out my throat just before the credits roll* i mean six years of getting owned on downtickets should imprint some lesson
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Hey, maybe if we can shift the legislature to the left a bit it won't matter if the 2020 candidate isn't ideologically pure enough.
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theory: both parties are run by morons, and people got tired of the left-side morons so they chose the right-side morons because at least that would be something loving different
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:y'know I like the new "Obama was always a puppet of the evil neoliberal conspiracy all along" historical paradigm y'all have decided on a lot of 'neoliberals' are optimists with a desire to do good. it's an ideology not a satanic pizza cult
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i dont actually think kerry or chelsea will run 2020 will probably be someone nobody here has ever heard of who managed to make a big stand against some of trumps upcoming legislative disasters there will be plenty of opportunity for people to make names for themselves
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Peel posted:a lot of 'neoliberals' are optimists with a desire to do good. it's an ideology not a satanic pizza cult it's like nobody believed what happened in the 1890-1920s
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Serf posted:theory: both parties are run by morons, and people got tired of the left-side morons so they chose the right-side morons because at least that would be something loving different this is the laziest theory and one that multiple people have used to justify not doing anything to improve the dems it's worse than blaming the FBI or Russia because at least if you're doing that you're getting mad about something instead of shrugging your shoulders
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if it was a satanic pizza cult, it might not be so lame
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Peel posted:a lot of 'neoliberals' are optimists with a desire to do good. you wouldn't think so given how this thread hisses at them like they're all literally Nosferatu instead of just figuratively so
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paranoid randroid posted:if it was a satanic pizza cult, it might not be so lame Would the conspiracy theory make more sense if the pizza place was next to a catholic church?
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my ideology is half satantic pizza cult, half anime critical analysis
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Hey, maybe if we can shift the legislature to the left a bit it won't matter if the 2020 candidate isn't ideologically pure enough. just so we're clear, I don't think anyone here wouldn't vote for a left-leaning candidate because they weren't left enough. Clinton wasn't my first choice, but I got out and voted for her in my solid-red state because I still know that voting for the best available option is better than holding out for some mythical perfect politician loquacius posted:this is the laziest theory and one that multiple people have used to justify not doing anything to improve the dems nobody said anything about not doing something. you can be a pessimist and still do something because you might as loving well
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:you wouldn't think so given how this thread hisses at them like they're all literally Nosferatu instead of just figuratively so umm *stomp* i think *stomp* thif goe*stomp*f beyond *stomp* naievete
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:you wouldn't think so given how this thread hisses at them like they're all literally Nosferatu instead of just figuratively so Somebody post that DailyKos story laughing about the coal miners again.
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Aurubin posted:Somebody post that DailyKos story laughing about the coal miners again. bonus: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/17/1486718/--If-we-broke-up-the-big-banks-tomorrow-would-that-end-racism
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I assume at least some of the dkos pithy hottakes are based in the notion that Trump's voters will turn against him if things get bad enough thing is, based on past experience I think its more likely Trump will say "Hey look over there, that illegal Mexican is stealing all your health care! Let's get him!" and the ravenous mob will descend upon Keith Ellison as he frantically tries to pry off the sombrero that's been super-glued to his head.
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Concerned Citizen posted:yes that definitely would not result in the IT staff getting fired Sounds like the hillary campaign was a cluster gently caress of yes-men and no actual talent, even though a notable c-spammer has assured everyone that it was the best campaign to ever be assembled. Which is it I wonder.
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Serf posted:nobody said anything about not doing something. you can be a pessimist and still do something because you might as loving well You won't get anything actually done with that attitude, though  In short, will you fight? Or will you perish like a dog?
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