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punk rebel ecks posted:Good point. No it isn't because, again logikv9 posted:ending the filibuster, then and even now, is kind of a big deal
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mugrim posted:As someone who worked with the DNC and the DCCC, getting techbros who were amazing to work for reduced rates wasn't a big deal. Its still funny that the HRC campaign spent money on people like forums superstar Mitt Romney but somehow forgot to put in an appearance in Wisconsin. Or hire competent analysts apparently.
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Well, gang, we got back both houses of Congress and the Presidency but the senator from Montana doesn't like single-payer so it's a no-go. There's definitely nothing we can do about this and we will just have to live with watered-down legislation for the rest of our days!
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Like you can disagree with a lot of poo poo Obama did but there's a lot of straight-up alt history being talked in this thread and my bullshit about mythologizing Obama is nowhere near the worst of it
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"OK this ACA compromise we hammered out isn't great but it's a start at least, maybe in 2010 we can get a bigger majority and--oh gently caress" -just as valid a take as the HATE OBAMA CRUSH OBAMA some of y'all are spewing
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logikv9 posted:ending the filibuster, then and even now, is kind of a big deal Wouldn't want to upset Senate Republicans. That'd be awful. Just awful. They rewarded Obama's good faith.
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obama did not bring full communism now therefore obama was dogshit and he should go back to chicago in disgrace
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Have there been a lot of filibusters for actual good causes im having a hard time thinking of any
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Rand alPaul posted:Wouldn't want to upset Senate Republicans. That'd be awful. Just awful. They rewarded Obama's good faith. oh poo poo better drat Obama's memory because former LF poster Rand alPaul said so
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UHD posted:obama did not bring full communism now yeah wanting the guy not to massively increase the power of the executive and actually stand behind more than one of his proposals is "full communism now" christ
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why didn't the people just like beat him up or something? He actually got into fights on his own. He once beat up a former governor in an elevator and bragged about it later, showing off a piece of his shirt as a trophy. Later on his brawled with a newspaper editor who published an article critical of him. Huey Long fuckin ruled is what I'm saying.
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Who else remembers "the fierce urgency of now" Peperidge farm remembers
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Rand alPaul posted:Wouldn't want to upset Senate Republicans. That'd be awful. Just awful. They rewarded Obama's good faith. Nobody is saying that Obama wasn't a moron for believing in the goodness of the GOP (shoulda listened to hillary tbh) but nobody wants to get rid of the filibuster. Nobody stays in power forever and yeah it's all fine and dandy to have legislative cheat codes for a few years, but once you get kicked out the other party will not be kind and you will have absolutely no recourse
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oh no Fiction too I guess the historical consensus is established so now we need to try Obama for treason against the left
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logikv9 posted:Nobody is saying that Obama wasn't a moron for believing in the goodness of the GOP (shoulda listened to hillary tbh) but nobody wants to get rid of the filibuster. Nobody stays in power forever and yeah it's all fine and dandy to have legislative cheat codes for a few years, but once you get kicked out the other party will not be kind and you will have absolutely no recourse Well I have great news, they will probably already be doing this anyway! Fat lot of good it did to play by the rules, eh?
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Fiction posted:Well I have great news, they will probably already be doing this anyway! Fat lot of good it did to play by the rules, eh? you are not saying anything clever or insightful or even useful in the slightest degree
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:oh poo poo better drat Obama's memory because former LF poster Rand alPaul said so What is his memory? Drone strikes? Massive deportations? Shielding Wall Street from prosecution?
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Serf posted:He actually got into fights on his own. He once beat up a former governor in an elevator and bragged about it later, showing off a piece of his shirt as a trophy. Later on his brawled with a newspaper editor who published an article critical of him. Sounds like an rear end in a top hat. ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:No it isn't because, again It's an idiotic loophole that should go away.
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Fiction posted:Well I have great news, they will probably already be doing this anyway! Fat lot of good it did to play by the rules, eh? I'll believe it when I see it, the GOP loooooooves the filibuster and even ayn rand fetishist paul ryan knows that he is opening up a can of worms the filibuster: everyone hates it until you need it, and everybody needs it at some point
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Fiction posted:Well I have great news, they will probably already be doing this anyway! Fat lot of good it did to play by the rules, eh? you do understand no one is arguing with you right? Like, what 'rules' should he have broken?
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Rand alPaul posted:What is his memory? Drone strikes? Massive deportations? Shielding Wall Street from prosecution? Not Being Donald Trump will probably be enough in the foreseeable future But, again, you ardently refuse to make any constructive suggestions on how to do things better and instead prefer to whine about Obama being mean and sucky just like Donald Trump did.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:oh no Fiction too I guess the historical consensus is established so now we need to try Obama for treason against the left The ACA failing to address rising premiums in any meaningful way has turned a ton of poor people who aren't poor enough to qualify for the means tests off of the legislation. Seeing as that's the big thing Obama's legacy is supported by, don't be surprised if he becomes less and less revered as time goes on and those poor people we're theoretically trying to recruit now have the opportunity to shape party policy and opinion.
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The next successful (lol) leftist president is probably going to be a huge rear end in a top hat that's a burning ball of rage
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Tatum Girlparts posted:probably. I think if you show people that the actual 'extreme' in politics on the left is crazy motherfuckers who went so hard into ironic trump support because they think he'll finally destroy the american empire and a communist state can rise from the ashes that they just became normal rear end trump supporters then socialism as a concept will look a lot less scary to begin with. We should absolutely do this. Every successful political revolution in history that I can recall had some sort of more extreme group to point to and say "and if you don't think what we're proposing is a good idea, well, you might push the public towards them." Every MLK had their Malcolm X, you know? Fiction posted:I think massively expanding our drone and surveillance programs while continuing to meddle and cause untold slaughter in foreign affairs while making little progress beyond a couple bills that get rolled back and weren't that great in the first place is actually good because, It was much better than the alternatives The Kingfish posted:Our hero Bernie was stabbed in the back before he could lead us to victory. Obama was a good man, but his tendency towards optimism was a flaw. He let Clinton and the neolibs faction trick him into believing in progress without progressivism. Yeah, a new Kennedy rather than a new Reagan in a lot of ways, but at least a Democrat people liked. Clinton makes a much better villain in this story than Obama does. We should also not worry too much, though, about Democrats that think poorly of him either. Tatum Girlparts posted:Everyone is a republican! My dog is a republican! I'm surrounded by secret republicans!!!! The Republicans would not have made the ACA, so obviously not.
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I forgot that Paul and Hatch were talking about keeping the filibuster. I'll believe it when I see it happen but that does make that particular doomsday scenario further off.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:no clearly it isn't because Obama bad, must destroy Obama Following the rationale of a noble lie isn't actually constructive, friend.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Following the rationale of a noble lie isn't actually constructive, friend. It is if you actually win with that noble lie.
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logikv9 posted:I'll believe it when I see it, the GOP loooooooves the filibuster and even ayn rand fetishist paul ryan knows that he is opening up a can of worms How soon we forget the Gang of 14 under Dubya.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Sounds like an rear end in a top hat. no doubt. but he directed his rear end in a top hat nature at the big businesses like the Standard Oil Company and their cronies, and won big time on economic populism while actually fighting for the common people and winning. assholes can be good people sometimes he also basically built LSU from nothing, especially the football program. dude knew what the people wanted
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The filibuster: the guilty pleasure of legislative maneuvering I'm quite confident that even Ryan doesn't have the 51 required to change the rules
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Uncle Wemus posted:Have there been a lot of filibusters for actual good causes im having a hard time thinking of any Wendy Davis stood up in front of the Texas Senate a while back for 20+ hours to try and block that awful bill that made it so virtually all but a handful of the women's health clinics in the state had to shut down. She did successfully block it, but the governor called an emergency session the next day to pass it anyway.
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Rand alPaul posted:How soon we forget the Gang of 14 under Dubya. For judicial nominees sure, come back to me when they try and get rid of it altogether
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:I mean, y'all can continue to moan and bitch about Ozymanidobamaus, Neoliberal of Neoliberals but you aren't going to help anyone ITT or anywhere else by doing so. How dare anyone discuss the current Democratic President in a thread about Democrats. loving jerks.
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like I don't disagree there was a lot that was lovely about the ACA but maybe y'know we can say it was a flawed start instead of Obama's Ultimate Evil and that going forward our plan is to fix it instead of blowing it to shreds and replacing it with something actively malicious like Trump is gonna do
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Fiction posted:Gonna have to go with the side of not bombing weddings on this one! But now we can bomb weddings without risking the lives of American pilots.
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Uncle Wemus posted:Have there been a lot of filibusters for actual good causes im having a hard time thinking of any bernie sanders basically became nationally famous for filibustering an extension of the bush tax cuts for 11 hours. he wrote a book about it and the whole thing is on youtube and it rules
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Rand alPaul posted:How dare anyone discuss the current Democratic President in a thread about Democrats. yeah obviously the most productive thing is continue fighting over the unchangeable past while the republicans loot the future in the present
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Rand alPaul posted:What is his memory? Drone strikes? Massive deportations? Shielding Wall Street from prosecution? His memory is gonna be the first Black president who killed Osama and did Obamacare. Maybe gay marriage will get thrown in there, because he was president at the time.
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