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fnordcircle posted:Yeah the Dragon and Eagle are super overwhelming. The only time the eagles were useful for me was when I was playing on small unit sizes without realizing it. 4 of them dive bombing Morghur sure works well when he's at like, 1k max health or whatever it was. Did you play as Orion or something? I could see their Amber cost being prohibitive. Dragons aren't absurdly expensive, are quite fast, fly, cause terror, and have big piles of HP in a faction with Lore of Life access. They absolutely destroy the chaff armies you fight a lot of in the GC, (beastmen!) and with a dedicated healer are absurd. My Durthu game ended with 3-5 dragons in every stack to rear charge/attack archers/siege weaponry while tree kin held the line. Maybe that matters less when you're playing with higher difficulty battle AI but without absurd leadership bonuses forest dragons chain rout lines pretty well! Though I will admit my 1 treelord/1 branchwraith/18 treeman gimmick army to wrap up my campaign was probably the funniest poo poo I've seen in this game.
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Ravenfood posted:I'm slowly building one of these with confederated Durthu's army, using Dryads until I get free Amber. Eventually hes just going to go march across the North. It's super funny. I razed Castle Drakenhof with that stack vs. the full garrison, a half stack of entirely heroes and ROR, and a third stack of elite VC Units led by manny. Point, click two gates, grab a beer, and cast earths blood on cooldown and laaaugh. That was my victory lap after chaos petered out and all that was left was Defense of the Oak.
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Wood Elf archer armies are going to be hilarious with the range buff. 200+ range missile infantry? Yes, please.
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Dezztroy posted:Wood Elf archer armies are going to be hilarious with the range buff. 200+ range missile infantry? Yes, please. what range buff. the glad lord?
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stopgap1 posted:what range buff. the glad lord? They're toying with buffing all Welfs with +20 range.
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stopgap1 posted:what range buff. the glad lord? Latest beta patch gives all WE foot archers +20 range.
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Any tips for starting out as Beastmen? Been a while since I last played and it was as Empire.
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Only the most elite units cost amber There we are.
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Deified Data posted:Only the most elite units cost amber Installed. So installed.
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Arglebargle III posted:Is this a good expansion? Yeah, Welfs are cool and play differently from literally anyone else. They're also not overpowered, and the elf units are probably getting a bit of a tune up in the next patch which is nice. They're still pretty good and throwing masses of Treekin at people works hilariously well currently anyways. Also their animations are all great.
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Arglebargle III posted:Is this a good expansion? If you like the way welfs play you'll like it. I'm on the fence leaning towards dislike but that has more to do with personal preference re:campaign mechanics and unit roster than it does any perceived lack of quality. In retrospect I wouldn't buy an expansion with Chaos as they are now, for example. I think Beastmen were just a little too good and that spoiled me. On the plus side this expansion comes with a rad new Beastmen LL so everyone wins.
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Why would one pick Wildwood Rangers over Asrai Spears? They seem to fill the same niche but the former are way more expensive and lack the innate 20% physical resistance the latter have. Is that a bug? I notice that my Rangers tend to get more kills but they're usually extremely well supported.
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theDOWmustflow posted:Why would one pick Wildwood Rangers over Asrai Spears? They seem to fill the same niche but the former are way more expensive and lack the innate 20% physical resistance the latter have. Is that a bug? There was an effortpost a bit back that they do considerably better against heavy infantry.
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Still noticing that Orion absolutely won't use his bow in combat. Anyone else encounter this?
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Deified Data posted:Still noticing that Orion absolutely won't use his bow in combat. Anyone else encounter this? Make sure he has a clear poo poo. You can mouse over and if it says 'obstructed' he won't shoot.
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Panfilo posted:Make sure he has a clear poo poo. You can mouse over and if it says 'obstructed' he won't shoot. Quoting this before you can get an edit in.
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Maybe there is a fig or spinach ent that he could cop some roughage from.
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Arglebargle III posted:Is this a good expansion? It is good, yes. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Wood Elves are hilariously good with the beta patch. Glade Guard and Waywatchers with 202 range are both so stupidly good.Deified Data posted:Still noticing that Orion absolutely won't use his bow in combat. Anyone else encounter this? He doesn't use the bow, his ranged attack is him throwing spears. It's a decent attack, but you're generally better off just sending him into melee where he murders everything.
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God I hope the range thing goes live.
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Dandywalken posted:God I hope the range thing goes live. It's too much imo.
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Wow, once you get going with Wood Elves you just don't stop. I struggled until I got the Oak to T3 and it was basically a victory romp from there. Confederated all of the other elves ASAP, exploded through Brettonia, vassaled Bourdeloux just because I could, then decided to try to see if I could save Kraka Drak and Kislev., so marched one army through the Empire towards Erengrad and other through Norscan lands from westernmost settlement. Chaos shows up right as I get there and Archaeon gets a spear thrown into his face. The rest of the world gave me all of their Amber in gratitude and then had a hilarious Time to go retry the minicampaign now that I have a better handle on the Wood Elves in general. For Glade Lords, obviously you focus on the red melee line ASAP, but did people find going down Orion's melee or ranged yellow line more effective? In general, I built almost all of my lords with a melee red line and ranged yellow line for more Anath Raemas to toss about, which seemed to work pretty well all around.
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Dezztroy posted:Wood Elves are hilariously good with the beta patch. Glade Guard and Waywatchers with 202 range are both so stupidly good. Now imagine if you modded it so that waywatchers have snipe (the thing that allows waystalkers to remain hidden whilst shooting)... I'm considering doing that (assuming such a mod exists) just to see how hilarious it would be. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Ravenfood posted:Wow, once you get going with Wood Elves you just don't stop. I struggled until I got the Oak to T3 and it was basically a victory romp from there. Confederated all of the other elves ASAP, exploded through Brettonia, vassaled Bourdeloux just because I could, then decided to try to see if I could save Kraka Drak and Kislev., so marched one army through the Empire towards Erengrad and other through Norscan lands from westernmost settlement. Chaos shows up right as I get there and Archaeon gets a spear thrown into his face. The rest of the world gave me all of their Amber in gratitude and then had a hilarious Any of the three AP infantry units do well against dwarfs once you've teched up a bit. Asrai Spears and Wildwood Rangers (pre-patch) chewed up a bunch of Longbeards for me, and I imagine with the proper setup Eternal Guard would do the same. I still really like my ranged army buffs Glade Lord on a horse, with his gang of Glade Riders and mounted Spellsinger bodyguard. He did get the Helm of Discord pretty early, though. That thing seems nuts. Next campaign I won't be disbanding Orion's starter Hawk Riders after seeing what the garrison ones can do. Amber be damned, they're worth it.
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Deified Data posted:Still noticing that Orion absolutely won't use his bow in combat. Anyone else encounter this? He doesn't use his bow at all. He chucks his spear instead.
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Ravenfood posted:Wow, once you get going with Wood Elves you just don't stop. I struggled until I got the Oak to T3 and it was basically a victory romp from there. Confederated all of the other elves ASAP, exploded through Brettonia, vassaled Bourdeloux just because I could, then decided to try to see if I could save Kraka Drak and Kislev., so marched one army through the Empire towards Erengrad and other through Norscan lands from westernmost settlement. Chaos shows up right as I get there and Archaeon gets a spear thrown into his face. The rest of the world gave me all of their Amber in gratitude and then had a hilarious For me their snowbally nature made the game a bit dull. In my game apart from occasionally loving with Karak Norn or Crooked Moon there were basically no nearby towns I could economically expand into. I ended up mostly turtling for the first couple dozen turns, then getting treekin (which are way too good for their cost), taking the wood elf provinces and then making GBS threads on everything else on the map until I got bored and quit. Total War in general tends to have a declining difficulty curve but the WE campaign seems to skip the fun early game where you have balanced small-scale, low tech battles with the AI (basically because of their starting position and fragile melee), then there's very little mid-game because once you get treekin nothing can stand up to you. I found their campaign approximately as shite as Chaos. Maybe after the unit rebalances and the mods catch up it will be worth replaying, but meh.
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what difficulty are you playing on? because that hasn't been my experience at all with WE. I pretty consistently have different beastmen factions, brettonians, estalia/tilea, and sometimes crooked moon trying to gently caress around in the forest from the beginning and there are plenty of early fights. if you want, you can declare on the other elves and clan angrund too and have arguably the most variety of enemies to fight in the early game than any other faction.
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wiegieman posted:I don't really care what CA says about the Quarreller/WElf Archer matchup, the loving dwarfs shouldn't have been winning an archer duel with the archer race. Giving the fire on the move archers more range to kite the stunties is where they should have been in the first place. WE are not the "archer" race. They're the "hard-hitting, fragile forest guerilla with living tree backup" race. WE archers are surgical harassers meant to soften up high-value targets with their various special arrows, not try and shoot it out with enemy missile units like napoleonic line infantry. Quarrelers don't win in a matchup because they're better shots, they win because they're tougher, better armored and are firing back hefty crossbow bolts instead of arrows. The elves hit more, but he dwarves hit harder and can take hits better.
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Basic WE archers outshoot most other basic ranged infantry (empire crossbows etc), they're fine as they are, it just serves to highlight how OP Quarrellers are; armoured, shielded, powerful accurate ranged troops who are decent in melee too, at Tier 1 and low cost. There's no downside.
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wiegieman posted:I don't really care what CA says about the Quarreller/WElf Archer matchup, the loving dwarfs shouldn't have been winning an archer duel with the archer race. Giving the fire on the move archers more range to kite the stunties is where they should have been in the first place. I've been told Quarrelers usually win that match in tabletop too, so...
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Basic WE archers outshoot most other basic ranged infantry (empire crossbows etc), they're fine as they are, it just serves to highlight how OP Quarrellers are; armoured, shielded, powerful accurate ranged troops who are decent in melee too, at Tier 1 and low cost. There's no downside. Dwarves need that though. If they couldn't win every shooting battle, they'd get picked apart every time.
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Yeah, having the best ranged gunline is basically all they have without broad access to magic or fast attack units. Campaign-wise, once you get some of the campaign buffs rolling on Wood Elves and you have 72 armor, mid-high 40s offense and mid 50 defense on a unit with silver shields and armor piercing, your glade guard will comically roll warriors and even longbeards with ease unless they are rolling a lot of great weapons. The Quarreler/thunderer vs elf archer matchup is basically all they have left at that point to try and carry them.
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Game worth buying without all the DLC, or do you need the addons to make the game actually good?
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Eternal guard are halberds with shields who get huge buffs from their lord and are t1. oh and can be healed like undead. wild riders are even more stupid and effective. who cares about quarellers
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Chair In A Basket posted:Game worth buying without all the DLC, or do you need the addons to make the game actually good? The game is fantastic as-is.
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Chair In A Basket posted:Game worth buying without all the DLC Yes. The base game is complete and fun. DLC unlocks additional factions, units and lords. There are four very distinct playable factions in the base game with 2 lords each, plenty of content for several playthroughs without touching DLC.
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Chair In A Basket posted:Game worth buying without all the DLC, or do you need the addons to make the game actually good? I spent something like 150-200 hours before the first major DLC came out so.... yes? Infact, base game is even better now with all the FLC they've tacked on as well. Its not minor things either, a subfaction, several new heroes and two legendary lords.
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Chair In A Basket posted:Game worth buying without all the DLC, or do you need the addons to make the game actually good? It is worth it without the DLC. In fact have a discount code: ZVHE2-F6ARD-J4Q5H
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