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Arkhams Razor posted:https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/801458583695224837 they'd rather burn the party to the ground than let bernie or the grassroots continue to have influence
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Aurubin posted:Eh, but freed of the shackles of the Republicans, in abstract his positions suck. So he's a surrogate for poo poo causes. Also the remaining Hilary people will use him to buoy themselves and they need to drown. yeah great thats why we dont use him for freaking policy in his post-presidency. his and Michelles job is to deliver barnburners to get our depression-artist base to actually crawl out from under its Seasonal Affective Disorder lamp
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paranoid randroid posted:we need real surrogates, like some Jacobin twitter fuckboi youngstown, ohio is surely the place have chapo trap house campaigning for us
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icantfindaname posted:they'd rather burn the party to the ground than let bernie or the grassroots continue to have influence take a loving xanax jesus christ
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icantfindaname posted:they'd rather burn the party to the ground than let bernie or the grassroots continue to have influence more or less. Perez seems like a genuinely decent dude but he has like 0 relevant experience for the position and is so clearly being pushed an an assertion of Obama's grip on the party that it just makes no one on that end look good.
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i see we're on the manic swing of the thread
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Zikan posted:i see we're on the manic swing of the thread 
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Why do you think Obama would be a good surrogate for the dems considering what has happened to the party under his watch and that he propped up Hillary Clinton and restored her and her faction to power after one devestating loss already. Like if he want to fill a cheerleading role, sure, go for it. If he wants to have an actual say in the direction of the party going forward? Uh, no. Absolutely not. And when you say it the way you did a lot of people are probably thinking you mean the second
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Dec 14, 2016 20:23
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the primary job of the DNC chair is to get blamed for everything that goes wrong
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GlyphGryph posted:Why do you think Obama would be a good surrogate for the dems considering what has happened to the party under his watch and that he propped up Hillary Clinton and restored her and her faction to power after one devestating loss already. yeah huh jeez why would a president leaving office with a like 90% approval rating in the party who represents a seminal accomplishment for black americans and who is widely regarded as an inspirational orator be an effective surrogate
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jeez man i mean i just dont understand the benefits of keeping this guy aroudn
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paranoid randroid posted:a seminal accomplishment for black americans yeah just ask trayvon martin or eric garner or anybody in flint
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Considering running on his approval rating just ended in a resounding defeat, I'm going to submit that approval rating doesn't actually mean poo poo
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paranoid randroid posted:yeah huh jeez why would a president leaving office with a like 90% approval rating in the party who represents a seminal accomplishment for black americans and who is widely regarded as an inspirational orator be an effective surrogate ah but you forget, pr, White Identity Politics über alles
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Segmentation Fault posted:yeah just ask trayvon martin or eric garner or anybody in flint oh my loving god
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For the recordloquacius posted:It does, but the forums context would make it even better Found it Fun starts here, money shot is on page 1269
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:truthfully, i would much rather Perez run for governor of Maryland like he was planning I don't know anything about Perez, but Larry Hogan has sky high approval and the sympathy vote. Try again when he's term limited.
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Dec 14, 2016 20:29
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Did Bill Clinton have a role after Gore lost? Not being smug, actually curious.
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If the Dems rat gently caress Ellison out of the chair I'm selling my AR and buying a Bow
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paranoid randroid posted:take a loving xanax jesus christ to be fair icantfindaname seems like the kind of guy who would cheer on greenwood getting burnt to the ground as an early win against neoliberalism
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many Americans of color face racialized oppression the conditions of that oppression are always and ever material only a materialist approach (as currently embodied by the economic justice wing of the party) can combat that oppression namaste
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I still think the campaign was horribly mismanaged, HOWEVER: CNN was airing trump rallies live and unedited for over a year, THE on;y way Hillary could even get a second of positive screentime was to mention trump or burn him somehow. The media were not interested at all in talking about policy or accomplishments, just loving emails. Obama had so much help sowing his change narrative as the first black president, but the media had already blown their load on that in the 08 primary, so they all just went to SCANDALWATCH THREAT LEVEL OMEGA. Almost no media outlets even explained what the podesta emails were or where they came from, they just said MORE HILLARY EMAILS and everybody just assumed it was an extension of her being sneaky and untrustworthy
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paranoid randroid posted:yeah huh jeez why would a president leaving office with a like 90% approval rating in the party who represents a seminal accomplishment for black americans and who is widely regarded as an inspirational orator be an effective surrogate So you did, by surrogate, mean you actually want him to guide the party, not just cheerlead? Because you ae being pretty confusing right now. Cheerleading good, because high approval and charisma. Yes. Leading party bad, because he lead the party for the last eight year and lead them into a really loving lovely place, so no. Like instead of just spewing random nonsense why dont you try actually responding
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logikv9 posted:He's still the Libertarian Candidate of my heart I'd post the stripper guy, but I prefer not to self doxx.
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It is important that Obama be a mouthpiece for a party that should by no means listen to his guidance or follow in his footsteps. This will definitely go smoothly.
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theflyingexecutive posted:I still think the campaign was horribly mismanaged, HOWEVER: Naw.
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obama would be more useful fighting voter suppression on the ground as he said he would with his friends instead of suggest anything to the DNC at this point
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GlyphGryph posted:So you did, by surrogate, mean you actually want him to guide the party, not just cheerlead? Because you ae being pretty confusing right now. im being perfectly coherent, yall just fuckin deranged lmao
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Didn't Obama trash his grassroots organization as soon as he got in office because it was "an unchained tiger?" He seems really poor at getting anyone elected that isn't named Barack Obama.
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theflyingexecutive posted:I still think the campaign was horribly mismanaged, HOWEVER: Hillary was definitely facing an uphill battle and should probably not have chosen to treat the campaign like a soap box derby race.
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Aurubin posted:Didn't Obama trash his grassroots organization as soon as he got in office because it was "an unchained tiger?" He seems really poor at getting anyone elected that isn't named Barack Obama. Wild canvassers just knocking on doors asking who knows what of the occupants. Distributing flyers for whoever will provide them.
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Obama will in all likelyhood go into Elder Statesman of the Party mode from now on, which will include a fair amount of inspirational party cheerleading and speechifying for causes he thinks are good, with only some indirect involvement in party policy around the edges. I suspect he won't want to involve himself too much in the sausage making both from a sense that he's done his bit already on that front (and because Michelle would kill him if they got dragged back into the DC scene again) and also because he doesn't appear to be driven by the same sort of naked ambition and jealous drive to power that the Clintons always have been to one degree or another.Anime Schoolgirl posted:obama would be more useful fighting voter suppression on the ground as he said he would with his friends instead of suggest anything to the DNC at this point This, for instance, would be a great thing for him to unleash his rhetorical chops on.
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like if you think that obama should be marginalized in the party moving forward youre going to have to make a case to the vast majority of the rest of democratic voters but i mean its not like people in this thread arent constantly betraying themselves as wannabe vanguardists who are scarcely less elitist than the establishment politicians they constantly rail against
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Aurubin posted:Didn't Obama trash his grassroots organization as soon as he got in office because it was "an unchained tiger?" He seems really poor at getting anyone elected that isn't named Barack Obama. I'd heard exactly the opposite, that he handed the keys to his organization over to the Clinton campaign. I have no real sources on any of this other than half-recalled posts, though, so I could totally be wrong there.
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hoping for Michelle to get fed up with all this political bullshit and drag Barry kicking and screaming into a nice, quiet retirement
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loquacius posted:For the record As fun as dunking on zoux is, dude has been through some rough, non-election related poo poo the past few months and has anyways abandoned being an obnoxious Hillaryman. Respectfully request amnesty for him.
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paranoid randroid posted:like if you think that obama should be marginalized in the party moving forward youre going to have to make a case to the vast majority of the rest of democratic voters too early to tell if obama wants to give progressives a chance, i mean perez ain't a bad guy but realpolitik is functionally dead as a concept and people in general should stop trying to push that in this party
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Yeah, zous is a dumbass but hes definitely not in mock-forever-and-ever territory imo..
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