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Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy

Alan Is More Upset posted:

Was going through the guide to set up the third camera and spotted this:

When they say "most" systems will get saturated on USB 3.0, I wonder if that applies to newer stuff like Skylake and Series 170 motherboards. I thought those generally had way more bandwidth than say, Haswell, with regards to PCI lanes and such.

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AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

Blue Star posted:

So you whiz kids seem pretty excited about virtual reality. Where do you see VR going in the future? 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, etc.? How advanced and sophisticated do you think VR will get in your own lifetime?

pass

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

SwissCM posted:

The Oculus tracking solution doesn't scale well, it's what pretty much everyone has known from the start. It's just about enough for a small room, but as soon as you start considering commercial applications then things get a little more complicated. Mixed reality could be a problem, pushing even more HD video through the USB bus in addition to all the tracking would cause problems on many configurations. Wireless/large scale installations are also a lot more difficult to implement with optical outside-in tracking.

I can't imagine Oculus sticking with Constellation for more than a couple generations.

I guess it depends on what's under the hood of their Santa Cruz prototype. Don't think they gave any specifics

McGiggins
Apr 4, 2014

by R. Guyovich
Lipstick Apathy

Poetic Justice posted:

Generally I troll on the internet because I think it's stupid to talk with strangers and be social with them, but when I checked out Rec Room and Alt Space, I couldn't because instead of just being streaming webcams or text on a screen, it felt like it was actually real people. So that's....something, I suppose. And that's with the current lovely cartoon graphics they both use.

I too am really concerned with no longer being able to treat people on the internet as if they were, in fact, not people.

A large part of my socialization comes directly from being unable to socialise and instead running amok on anonymous boards where there nothing that happens affects real people or matters at all, save for the several notable times where those things were extremely patently untrue.

I don't think I can really do things like rec room. You want to play basketball? and I have the ball? Maybe I will just hold onto it forever. Maybe instead I will soliloquise on the better parts of valour.

If VR teaches me human empathy, I will be requesting a refund.

DrBox
Jul 3, 2004

Sombody call the doctor?

Alan Is More Upset posted:

Was going through the guide to set up the third camera and spotted this:

USB stuff posted:

Due to potential USB bandwidth issues in most computers with USB 3.0 ports, it’s important that the 3rd sensor is connected to a USB 2.0 port. Having 2 sensors connected to USB 3.0 and one to USB 2.0 is the recommended configuration at this time. Connecting more than 2 sensors to USB 3.0 ports will generally pull too much data through the system, leading to inconsistent performance and/or sensor tracking failures.

Theoretically once USB C and thunderbolt become the norm bandwidth will not be so limited. I could see a good USB3 hub going to a thunderbolt port handling multiple cameras.

It would be nice to be free of all the cords though. Lighthouse is nice for that but my room with a reflective closet door and multiple pictures makes that a non starter.

somethingawful bf
Jun 17, 2005
Is there any software out there that monitors USB bandwidth? It would be interesting to see just how much each sensor uses.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Some moving around at Oculus. Brendan Iribe is stepping down as CEO to head up the PC VR stuff. Unfortunately they are also going to give Palmer something to do besides make racist memes.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008
I took some video of some of my Unspoken matches, unfortunately my computer isn't good enough to record that well so it causes some glitches sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpCfBijOY90

I really like homeless wizard bum fights the Unspoken

Surprise Giraffe
Apr 30, 2007
1 Lunar Road
Moon crater
The Moon
VR cover + thin foam/interface trip report: surprisingly ok given what I've heard about these guys. The cover seems comfortable and I don't have problems with it getting pulled off the foam. The thinner foam barely increases FOV but it's more comfortable than Oculus' packing material style cushion to me. Worth it overall if nothing special.

Helter Skelter
Feb 10, 2004

BEARD OF HAVOC

Poetic Justice posted:

Is there any software out there that monitors USB bandwidth? It would be interesting to see just how much each sensor uses.
You might be able to do this by setting up logging appropriately in Windows' Performance Monitor, but I'm not at my VR PC to really dive into that right this second.

Kraven Moorhed
Jan 5, 2006

So wrong, yet so right.

Soiled Meat

Lemming posted:

I took some video of some of my Unspoken matches, unfortunately my computer isn't good enough to record that well so it causes some glitches sometimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpCfBijOY90

I really like homeless wizard bum fights the Unspoken

:stare: More like The Dumpster Files. I am so sold.

rage-saq
Mar 21, 2001

Thats so ninja...

Surprise Giraffe posted:

VR cover + thin foam/interface trip report: surprisingly ok given what I've heard about these guys. The cover seems comfortable and I don't have problems with it getting pulled off the foam. The thinner foam barely increases FOV but it's more comfortable than Oculus' packing material style cushion to me. Worth it overall if nothing special.

I've seen a bit from these guys and noticed they had a bunch of different options. Can you link the one you used? Been thinking about their memory foam one

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
Repeating what I said in the Vive thread:

loving Gorn man. What a fun game.

Shoot a guy with an arrow, pull the arrow out as he staggers back, stab another guy in the eye with it, use it as a handle to fling the second guy over your head and slam him down on the first guy. Cut off limbs, punch people in the face until they are a bloody pulp, grab someones weapon hand as they swing at you and force the blade into their own head, then throw it like a frisbee and cut off both legs at the knee of the guy advancing on you from behind.

So much drat fun.

Helter Skelter
Feb 10, 2004

BEARD OF HAVOC

Gorn is real dumb, but in a good way.

Claes Oldenburger
Apr 23, 2010

Metal magician!
:black101:

My GOD...these controllers. I knew Vivers were onto something with tracked hands but...gently caress. Has anyone else played "I expect you to die"? That intro scene was mind blowing.

Superhot rules, dead and buried rules, Unspoken also rules. I haven't even gotten through all the games I have, I feel so flush with content.

Question though, has anyone had issues with their oculus friends list? We tried to do some multiplayer in toybox and ripcoil but the invite list would show up as blank.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Kraven Moorhed posted:

:stare: More like The Dumpster Files. I am so sold.

I genuinely hope at some point a couple of those loudmouth youtubers doing VR stuff--your markipliers, your jacksepticeyes and so on--get their hands on Unspoken and put up videos. It's impressively engrossing and I want more people to be hobowizards

Falken
Jan 26, 2004

Do you feel like a hero yet?

Ciaphas posted:

I genuinely hope at some point a couple of those loudmouth youtubers doing VR stuff--your markipliers, your jacksepticeyes and so on--get their hands on Unspoken and put up videos. It's impressively engrossing and I want more people to be hobowizards
How can anyone watch jacksepticeye? I'm genuinely curious. his TOP O THE MORNIN TO YA poo poo at the start makes me just close the tab every time.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


By right-arrowing about 30 seconds into his videos, mostly :v: if he's still being a loving loudmouth at that point I usually turn it off

Seeing him engrossed by things like Universe Sandbox was kinda :3: though

Falken
Jan 26, 2004

Do you feel like a hero yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW3aC_qEjrs&t=104s

Still my favorite VR moment on youtube, because we can all relate.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy
Can someone repost those fake patent pictures for "McDonalds is Best: Nod to Continue" and such? I absolutely can't find them anywhere.

Veotax
May 16, 2006


How long of an extension cable can you get away with for the Oculus cameras? I brought a 6.5 feet USB 3.0 cable from Amazon and it pretty much kills tracking while plugging the thing in through two 2.0 cables works fine.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy

Veotax posted:

How long of an extension cable can you get away with for the Oculus cameras? I brought a 6.5 feet USB 3.0 cable from Amazon and it pretty much kills tracking while plugging the thing in through two 2.0 cables works fine.

I use these 15ft Active 3.0 cables, one for each camera and one for the Rift, which works great. I wasn't able to keep daisy chaining them though: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=9470

Edit: Also, someone pointed me to some expensive Monoprice optical cables, they can go up to 200ft. The HDMI is pure optical, the USB uses optical for data and still has copper in it to carry wattage, so theoretically, this would be way to have super lightweight, long, and durable (the optical cables are a durable polymer plastic, not glass like normal optical cables) way to extend the Rift. I need to buy some to set up a conference room at work anyways, so I'll try them out with my Rift and see how it goes. http://www.monoprice.com/search/index?keyword=slimrun+optical

Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Dec 15, 2016

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Zero VGS posted:

I use these 15ft Active 3.0 cables, one for each camera and one for the Rift, which works great. I wasn't able to keep daisy chaining them though: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=9470

Those look like the ones I used on my test setup at Oculus.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy

Subjunctive posted:

Those look like the ones I used on my test setup at Oculus.

Have you guys ever used optical extenders? I'm going to try out the optical HDMI and power/optical-hybrid USB cables I posted above. Of course if this works, I'll probably wish I could also make the CV1's built-in cable smaller, but it has that proprietary header.

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

Ciaphas posted:

I genuinely hope at some point a couple of those loudmouth youtubers doing VR stuff--your markipliers, your jacksepticeyes and so on--get their hands on Unspoken and put up videos. It's impressively engrossing and I want more people to be hobowizards

How do you counter the loving tentacle/root/whatever spell that eats up most of your platforms? Every game now someone uses that on me immediately and I get crushed

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


AndrewP posted:

How do you counter the loving tentacle/root/whatever spell that eats up most of your platforms? Every game now someone uses that on me immediately and I get crushed

I hope Lemming has a good answer for this because the answer seems to me to be either "close range dispel grenade thingy" or "dehumanize yourself and face to tentacles"

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Zero VGS posted:

Have you guys ever used optical extenders?

I never did, I don't know about people who are still there.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008
The dispel censer is good for that, but unless they also have some other pressure (ie some other crystal abilities to hit you with while you're stuck on one platform), you can hit them with your regular attack too. A few charged hits should take one out, and usually you only really need to teleport between two platforms. After a while it'll only take one hit to destroy them. You don't take too much damage from standing on them, so it's usually still worth it to jump to a tentacle platform to grab a crystal as long as you jump off right away.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Now actually hitting them with a normal primal attack I never would have thought of. Thanks Lemming

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

The only problem with that is that I have terrible aim and sit there trying to kill these tentacles while my opponent happily chips me away. But that's probably on me.

Ludicrous Gibs!
Jan 21, 2002

I'm not lost, but I don't know where I am.
Ramrod XTreme
Welp, I am now the owner of a brand-spanking-new CV1. :toot: Thinking about waiting till the new year for Touch, though, as I don't want it to wind up sitting on my front porch for a week while I'm at my parents' place. Are there any free games included that I might miss out on by waiting?

Also, someone should compile a list of recommended VR games for the OP. I would, but :effort:.

rage-saq
Mar 21, 2001

Thats so ninja...

Ludicrous Gibs! posted:

Welp, I am now the owner of a brand-spanking-new CV1. :toot: Thinking about waiting till the new year for Touch, though, as I don't want it to wind up sitting on my front porch for a week while I'm at my parents' place. Are there any free games included that I might miss out on by waiting?

Also, someone should compile a list of recommended VR games for the OP. I would, but :effort:.

Yay new VR buddy! I got my Rift CV1 last Friday. If you like space shooty games House of the Dying Sun (formerly enemy starfighter) has an absolutely fantastic VR implementation and is really easy to get into and play. I never played it before but once I discovered it was on Steam (rift compatible) I bought and have been playing the gently caress out of it.

somethingawful bf
Jun 17, 2005

Ludicrous Gibs! posted:

Welp, I am now the owner of a brand-spanking-new CV1. :toot: Thinking about waiting till the new year for Touch, though, as I don't want it to wind up sitting on my front porch for a week while I'm at my parents' place. Are there any free games included that I might miss out on by waiting?

Also, someone should compile a list of recommended VR games for the OP. I would, but :effort:.

Chronos is pretty badass and I have no problems recommending it. It's like a Dark Souls lite action/rpg game. I'd wait though, it's likely that Oculus is going to have a winter sale and while I imagine that a lot of Touch games won't be on sale, I could see them putting the regular gamepad games on sale. There isn't a set date for when it's going to start, but previously they have timed it to compete with the Steam sales, which this year starts Dec 23.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I expect you to die is also playable with a mouse or a gamepad. You don't need touch to play it, thought it makes it more immersive.

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug

AndrewP posted:

How do you counter the loving tentacle/root/whatever spell that eats up most of your platforms? Every game now someone uses that on me immediately and I get crushed
The answer is to either use a dispel or simply not move - unless you're a trickster you're fine, cast a shield and start charging a long ability. I used to go with imp / tentacle / dispel but lately I've been running spear / spear / dispel. Spear takes something like 2/5ths of someone's life and since you can TP with it it's pretty easy to bait out a TP with a fake throw (they can see your movements) and just hit them after they TP. It goes through shields like it's not even there and it's fast to cast so I find it more useful to simply constantly lob fireballs at people. The self-homing fireballs are just better. Dispel is amazing and it needs to be your 3rd spell at all times. Most people start a big spell after they use the tentacles, so you can dispel two spells in one!

It takes two primal attacks to kill tentacles and it's not worth the opportunity cost imo. It's better to keep on the offensive until it runs out and only TP if you see a seed.

I'm comparable based on lemming's vid of his play, I don't know what rank I was but I matched with a few of the devs during that dev hour thing before I got a new ssd and reinstalled (rank & unlocks are saved local?! wtf!). I'm slowly working my way up the ranks, I'm somewhere in the 200s right now.

For a while I liked the trickster and even though their push attack is stronger it's too hard to target the daggers at long range and way too easy to miss. Maybe with more practice they'd be useful but since you can arc the fireballs behind barriers to hit people I think anarchist just plain more useful than the other classes. It's hard to overstate the damage the trickster shield + push damage ability does though! It's unfortunately way too weak to everyone else's seed aoe abilities, and you kind of need 3 seeds to make the shell game worthwhile.

I'd record some videos myself but I'm pretty sure my computer can't handle it either.

Bhodi fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Dec 15, 2016

Helter Skelter
Feb 10, 2004

BEARD OF HAVOC

Veotax posted:

How long of an extension cable can you get away with for the Oculus cameras? I brought a 6.5 feet USB 3.0 cable from Amazon and it pretty much kills tracking while plugging the thing in through two 2.0 cables works fine.
I'm currently using a 3m/10ft passive USB3 cable on one of my cameras with no issues. I use another identical one to along with a HDMI extension of similar length to extend the headset cable.

If you just buy a camera, Oculus ships it with a 5m (~16ft) Monoprice active USB2 cable.

Helter Skelter fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Dec 15, 2016

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Zero VGS posted:

Can someone repost those fake patent pictures for "McDonalds is Best: Nod to Continue" and such? I absolutely can't find them anywhere.

Not fake, US patent number 8246454 B2.

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

Ludicrous Gibs! posted:

Welp, I am now the owner of a brand-spanking-new CV1. :toot: Thinking about waiting till the new year for Touch, though, as I don't want it to wind up sitting on my front porch for a week while I'm at my parents' place. Are there any free games included that I might miss out on by waiting?

Also, someone should compile a list of recommended VR games for the OP. I would, but :effort:.

My advice is: don't spend too much on gamepad games. VR games are expensive and you might not even wanna go back to them once the Touch controllers comes.

House of the Dying Sun is worth getting, a lot of people seem to like Chronos. You probably already know if you want Elite or not, and if you have a HOTAS, War Thunder is fun to mess around in. Same with Project Cars/Dirt Rally if you have some kind of wheel.

But really, just get Touch ASAP.

Ludicrous Gibs!
Jan 21, 2002

I'm not lost, but I don't know where I am.
Ramrod XTreme
Thanks for the recommendations, all. :)

Just tried Lucky's Tale, and I don't understand why so many people here were "meh" about it. It's a pretty bog-standard 3D platformer, sure, and derivative as all get-out, but I feel that VR adds a lot to the experience, and Lucky himself is an appealing character (or maybe I just like foxes). The miniature town scene in Dreamdeck is far and away my favorite of the bunch, and this game looks enough like a miniature set come to life that it presses my "cool!" button in the same way - especially the underground bits. For a free game included with the hardware, it's more than satisfactory.

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Lemming
Apr 21, 2008
The lag spears in the Unspoken are killing me. KILLING ME

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