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anime was right posted:hillary clinton was an unprecedentedly bad candidate Gore, Kerry and Clinton ('08 primary) provide plenty of precedent. She was another Clinton machine candidate and performed within specifications.
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Dec 15, 2016 06:01
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Hillary Clinton lost to a racist used car salesman who just decided to dabble in politics. Kinda puts into perspective the decades Hillary has been preparing for this moment. anime was right posted:hillary clinton was an unprecedentedly bad candidate
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Dec 15, 2016 06:22
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Ellison doesn't have the 20 years of baggage that Hillary had even before the hacks started. 20 years ago was the 90s, when Ellison was Farrakhan's buddy.
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Dec 15, 2016 06:28
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zegermans posted:20 years ago was the 90s, when Ellison was Farrakhan's buddy. God drat America. No way to come back from that. The electorate is just too conservative. Billy J Klansman, on the other hand, is will to fight to raise minimum wage to $10/hr and wants to invade Iran and set up a Muslim registry. Seems like a sure winner given what we, the helpless centrists, learned from Hillary's failed '16 run.
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Dec 15, 2016 06:39
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Fiction posted:The whole point of this is to learn that lesser-evillism is a horrible platform to run on and has been since Gore lost in 2000. Of course, maybe keeping the left out of power was just more important to them than keeping Trump out of power all along.
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Dec 15, 2016 07:07
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zegermans posted:20 years ago was the 90s, when Ellison was Farrakhan's buddy. better than talking about superpredators or being in love with goldwater at any point
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Dec 15, 2016 07:08
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The fact is, neither side wanted incrementalism; the right chose Trump promising change, and the left stayed home rather than pick the status quo, inevitable civil rights reversals be damned.
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Dec 15, 2016 07:10
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No one cares who the DNC chair got close to in the days of dial-up modems? Running the party =/= running for office. How many voters even know who the DNC chair is? If the complaint is moral rather than political, Ellison owned up, apologized, and doesn't do that anymore.
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Dec 15, 2016 07:12
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Mister Macys posted:The fact is, neither side wanted incrementalism; the right chose Trump promising change, and the left stayed home rather than pick the status quo, inevitable civil rights reversals be damned. honey works better than vinegar. hillary shouldn't have tried to shame voters into voting for her and actually offered something more than "8 more years!" of obama status quo. too bad she was too idiotic to make this simple, easy adjustment to her campaign
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Dec 15, 2016 07:13
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Yeah! Go! Clinton Go! Yeah! I was Hillary Clinton's attorney I said, 'When did you find out that she was not the person of God that she was billed to be? ' He said, 'When I visited Brooklyn, when I walked in her so-called church' She said, 'There was no bible, there were no holy pictures, there was no cross Nothing And I looked her right in the eye and I said to her "Why is it there's no bible, and there's no place to pray?" She said, "We don't need that anymore"' Yeah! They were injected with a poison Go! Yeah! And I'm going to reveal something to you that possibly the public does not know Bernie Sanders told me that the coroner was a close personal friend of his And he said that he examined every one of the bodies This was not a mass-suicide like the world was brainwashed into thinking They were injected with a poison Yeah! Go! Yeah! I was Hillary Clinton's attorney (Yeah!) I said, 'When did you find out that she was not the person of God (go!) that she was billed to be? ' She said, 'When I visited Brooklyn' They were injected with a- Yeah! Go! [2x] Yeah! [3x] Brooklyn Go! Yeah!
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Dec 15, 2016 07:15
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Condiv posted:honey works better than vinegar. hillary shouldn't have tried to shame voters into voting for her and actually offered something more than "8 more years!" of obama status quo. too bad she was too idiotic to make this simple, easy adjustment to her campaign Seriously, in one of her leaked speeches she talked about the importance of lying to the public while secretly having private positions on the issues. But then she hosed it up anyway
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Dec 15, 2016 07:17
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Shbobdb posted:Yeah! Listen I'm going to be honest, I've agreed with some of your posts, I've disagreed with some of them I've read. But what is this even?
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Dec 15, 2016 07:34
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That's the messed up thing about her public and private positions Private: Opposes legalizing pot in all senses of the word. Public: Needs more study so keep arresting people for now! How do you have multiple positions on an issue and all of them suck.
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Dec 15, 2016 07:35
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butterbar posted:Seriously, in one of her leaked speeches she talked about the importance of lying to the public while secretly having private positions on the issues. But then she hosed it up anyway Well that's the thing isn't it, she sat on this crap for months so that when it came out it was damaging. Isn't the theory you get ahead of issues like this so it would have been better fit her to disclose this with her narrative than the one that popped up after it was leaked
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Dec 15, 2016 07:36
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Shbobdb posted:Yeah! I'm really ignorant when it comes to music; what song is this based on?
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Dec 15, 2016 07:42
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Condiv posted:honey works better than vinegar. hillary shouldn't have tried to shame voters into voting for her and actually offered something more than "8 more years!" of obama status quo. too bad she was too idiotic to make this simple, easy adjustment to her campaign I thought she was fear mongering more than shaming; "Vote for me! or the evil Trump will take everything you care about away!" etc. etc. And fear mongering has never, ever worked in American politics as well as the promise of success has.
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Dec 15, 2016 07:47
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Gore losing made Joe Lieberman even more smug and self-important leading him into the situation of turning the ACA into garbage that is now terminal. Along with that came the human tragedy that has been Iraq and ultimately rotting out Syria. I'm glad Kaine is no Lieberman. It is a tougher act to follow when one's loss empowers Donald John Trump though. What will New Democrats live down next?
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Dec 15, 2016 07:49
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Mister Macys posted:I'm really ignorant when it comes to music; what song is this based on? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikGtCA3OJJc That's an example of the anthem. Plenty of other songs sampled a mentally ill person claiming to have been Jim Jones' attorney insisting that there was no suicide at Jonestown because they were injected with a poison.
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Dec 15, 2016 07:54
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I'm a rave/hardcore guy and hear it at least once a week, but I didn't make the link at all. 
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Dec 15, 2016 08:01
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I never listened to house in the 90s as I was too young but when I hear it I automatically associate it with the 90s. It just sounds like the 90s.
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Dec 15, 2016 08:04
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Mister Macys posted:I'm a rave/hardcore guy and hear it at least once a week, but I didn't make the link at all. Is OK. It was a poor parody. I'm way too earnest to be funny -- that's why people occasionally mistake me for being angry.
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Dec 15, 2016 08:04
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zegermans posted:20 years ago was the 90s, when Ellison was Farrakhan's buddy. this reminds me a lot of that whiny centrist talking head (Yglesias?) who miraculously had a giant binder of "leaked GOP opposition research" on sanders the day after the election to try and put the bernouts back in their place too bad like everything else that happened, everyone saw it exactly for what it was (the oppo research the dems did to tank sanders if he somehow beat clinton) edit: i lied it was kurt eichenwald, since some people think i just hallucinate these things http://www.joemygod.com/2016/11/15/newsweek-posts-gop-oppo-research-on-bernie-sander/
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Dec 15, 2016 08:05
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Dr.Radical posted:I never listened to house in the 90s as I was too young but when I hear it I automatically associate it with the 90s. It just sounds like the 90s. https://www.di.fm (Digitally Imported Radio) - Oldschool Rave It's stuff like this all the time; early to mid nineties. And I loving love it. 
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Dec 15, 2016 08:06
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Business Gorillas posted:this reminds me a lot of that whiny centrist talking head (Yglesias?) who miraculously had a giant binder of "leaked GOP opposition research" on sanders the day after the election to try and put the bernouts back in their place Yglesias definitely would have been feeding his Republican contacts oppo. Ashbrook on NPR did a great job for Brock during the primaries.
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Dec 15, 2016 08:07
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Business Gorillas posted:edit: i lied it was kurt eichenwald, since some people think i just hallucinate these things Chapo talking about how ridiculous this was, was pretty great. The best part is talking about Sander's ties to Castro would have cost him Florida, when HILLIARY LOST FLORIDA!
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Dec 15, 2016 08:10
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The funny thing about that oppo stuff is all of that had already been reported during the primary and nobody cared.
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Dec 15, 2016 08:10
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im just looking forward to centrists trying to champion black people and muslims with one side of their mouth and then slowly chip away at ellison's credibility with the other
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Dec 15, 2016 08:13
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FuriousxGeorge posted:The funny thing about that oppo stuff is all of that had already been reported during the primary and nobody cared. Nobody on the left cared. That wasn't Sanders' challenge, though.
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Dec 15, 2016 08:16
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Ferrinus posted:Sanders had better odds against Trump by an appreciable margin and was the clear choice for the general. Maybe, maybe not. The fact that he's an agnostic/atheist probably wouldn't have helped, in this not terribly atheist-friendly country. Warren, though...
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Dec 15, 2016 08:17
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Doctor Butts posted:Well then I guess you can stop pretending the problem is the 'neoliberals' you want to purge.
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Dec 15, 2016 08:17
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Neoliberalism as campaign strategy is beyond self-parody.
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Dec 15, 2016 08:19
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Majorian posted:Maybe, maybe not. The fact that he's an agnostic/atheist probably wouldn't have helped, in this not terribly atheist-friendly country. Didn't hurt Donald "Two Corinthians"  Trump...
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Dec 15, 2016 08:20
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Doctor Butts posted:Well then I guess you can stop pretending the problem is the 'neoliberals' you want to purge. was it this thread that someone tried to make "neoliberals" a dogwhistle for jewish people (only to find out everyone yelling about hillary was jewish) or was that another thread? edit: Majorian posted:Maybe, maybe not. The fact that he's an agnostic/atheist probably wouldn't have helped, in this not terribly atheist-friendly country.
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Dec 15, 2016 08:20
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Majorian posted:Maybe, maybe not. The fact that he's an agnostic/atheist probably wouldn't have helped, in this not terribly atheist-friendly country.  I'm sure that the blue line would be even higher if he was a Christian, yes.
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Dec 15, 2016 08:26
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Mister Macys posted:Didn't hurt Donald "Two Corinthians" Yeah, but he said the magic words of "SCOTUS NOMINEES RIP BABBY FROM MOMMY'S WOMB," and welp...that did the trick.
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Dec 15, 2016 08:28
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Mister Macys posted:Didn't hurt Donald "Two Corinthians" It would have hurt Bernie because it'd have been the story-non-story that the media wouldn't shut the gently caress up about, in place of the emails. We'd be reading about how we got 90 minutes of talk about Bernie's religion compared to 20 seconds of policy talk, or whatever. The evangelicals don't matter because they're voting (R) no matter what, but the media could use the religion angle to muddy the waters to the point that enough voters could still stay home and get Donald Trump elected, if Bernie were nominated. Basically the first thing we need to do is storm the television stations and take them over - it's the first step of any modern people's revolution.
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Dec 15, 2016 08:30
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Mister Macys posted:https://www.di.fm (Digitally Imported Radio) - Oldschool Rave I like you.
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Dec 15, 2016 08:30
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Majorian posted:Maybe, maybe not. The fact that he's an agnostic/atheist probably wouldn't have helped, in this not terribly atheist-friendly country. Not to be a Hillbot, but Bernie is a secular Jew and talked about his Jewish identity many times. Erasure much?
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Dec 15, 2016 08:33
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Kilroy posted:To be fair, all that shows is that the evangelicals want you to blow smoke up their assholes (and be a Republican) before they'll agree to vote for you. Even then, I think Trump really lucked the gently caress out with Republicans holding Obama's last SCOTUS nomination hostage. Suddenly Trump was able to run on the threat of an evil baby-killing lie-bural nominating up to three new justices. If he didn't have that argument, I kind of doubt he would have gotten the Evangelical turnout that he did. Shbobdb posted:Not to be a Hillbot, but Bernie is a secular Jew and talked about his Jewish identity many times. He did, but I think it probably would have come out as more of a negative during the general election, as opposed to the Democratic Primary. This is a country where the president-elect ran a white nationalist campaign, and his chief strategist is going to be an unabashed antisemite. It's a pretty rear end-backwards country unfortunately.
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