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With a subtitle like Covenant I doubt that will happen honestly. A lot of the exposition in Prometheus, while heavy handed, is heavy handed in a biblical kind of way that I think fits for the sort of all encompassing creation myth kind of story he wanted to tell. Prometheus is a really dense film in that respect, drawing elements from Norse, Greek and Abrahamic concepts of creation and birth simultaneously in one setting which is pretty ambitious. I'm actually a little skeptical of Covenant because I'm not sure how much different it will end up being from Prometheus itself.
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Neo Rasa posted:With a subtitle like Covenant I doubt that will happen honestly. A lot of the exposition in Prometheus, while heavy handed, is heavy handed in a biblical kind of way that I think fits for the sort of all encompassing creation myth kind of story he wanted to tell. Prometheus is a really dense film in that respect, drawing elements from Norse, Greek and Abrahamic concepts of creation and birth simultaneously in one setting which is pretty ambitious. I'm actually a little skeptical of Covenant because I'm not sure how much different it will end up being from Prometheus itself. True; if you take Covenant literally (which is not unreasonable when you consider how the title Prometheus related to that movie) then you could see how it's really more of a true extension of what he was trying to do with the latter movie then a "return to form" for Alien overall. The worst thing that could happen, actually, is that he continues telling Prometheus in the same way, only shoehorns more explicit Alien stuff because that is what the fans (and studio) demand. At best that will result in a movie that has some cool scenes but fails overall. I didn't disagree with the story he appeared to be trying to tell with Prometheus. That's not why I don't like the movie. In fact I think Prometheus could have worked telling pretty much the exact same story. For whatever combination of reasons, they just didn't sell it, for lack of a better term. If he manages that with Covenant then I think we'll get something good even if - especially if - it isn't "Alien 6". From a studio perspective they probably don't care because someone like me is going to go see it even if every review is terrible; frankly. I'm not their target market. Blomkamp's vision concerns me more since he actually does want to make a straight up sequel (to Aliens, not Alien, if the press is to be believed). Cameron pulled off doing it for the first but I seriously wonder if Blomkamp can do the same thing on top of Cameron's movie. The "Continuing adventures of Space Marines with Smart Guns" could be a fun movie if done right, but not particularly interesting. Though maybe he has different ideas? I haven't read much beyond the basics and that was a while ago.
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Dec 13, 2016 20:22
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The space marines with smart guns all died.
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Ixian posted:Blomkamp's vision concerns me more since he actually does want to make a straight up sequel (to Aliens, not Alien, if the press is to be believed). Cameron pulled off doing it for the first but I seriously wonder if Blomkamp can do the same thing on top of Cameron's movie. The "Continuing adventures of Space Marines with Smart Guns" could be a fun movie if done right, but not particularly interesting. Blomk could go for broke and make it a disaster flick. Earth-like colony ship that would give us the sweet release of "Aliens attack our world" without the need to actually go to Earth, which would probably be a dump anyway thanks to pro-corporatist forces. The social commentary part is that it's a metaphor for the US's lack of action with ME refugees. also the Smart Guns are stand-ins for our neoliberal policies and the effects of neocon regime-building. Maybe twitter, too.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The space marines with smart guns all died. If they can bring Ripley back after she jumped in a molten vat they can figure out a way to get Hicks on board as well. Then you'd have the old, grizzled Sarge to ride herd over the next generation of teen stars and their Smart Guns. They will reject his wisdom at first, and he their youthful insight, but by the end everyone will come around and embrace what each truly completes in the other. Also, shoot a lot of Aliens and get burned by acid. Sounds great can't wait. FilthyImp posted:The first one was a rape thriller, the second was a Vietnam action movie, the third was an existentialist crisis, the fourth was French sci-fi. In other contexts this would be irony, but I think you are straight up describing Blomkamp's Alien here.
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Ixian posted:If they can bring Ripley back after she jumped in a molten vat they can figure out a way to get Hicks on board as well. Fox still considers Aliens: Colonial Marines canon, so Hicks *IS ALREADY* back.  That said, it would be amazing if the just filmed a live action version of the cutscene/level where we see how Hicks survived. I'm so against the idea of Blomkamp's Alien 3, but at least it will look and sound incredible going by his past movies.
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Neo Rasa posted:Fox still considers Aliens: Colonial Marines canon, so Hicks *IS ALREADY* back. If they get Biehn back I think they should go big, totally ridiculous style. Like Farcry Blood Dragon, the movie. Get a cast of YA film stars - import them wholesale from some second-tier shitshow like the Maze Runner series, for example, or even go trawling around The CW stable of generic tweens - and turn them in to cannon fodder. Lean heavy on 80's hair metal and lots of neon lighting. I would watch the *poo poo* out of that movie whatever the plot.
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I would for real pre-order a ticket for a Blomkamp movie done in that style.
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The whole theme of hubris in Prometheus would have been a lot more effective if the crew had been written as the best in their field and still brought about their own doom because of their all-too-human arrogance, rather than a bunch of hopeless bumblefucks with the survival instincts of toddlers.
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I like Blomkamp's concept art for Hicks:
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Neo Rasa posted:Fox still considers Aliens: Colonial Marines canon, so Hicks *IS ALREADY* back. Some of the new weapons introduced in Colonial Marines have made cameos in the more recent comics, though.
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Neo Rasa posted:Not at all. This is a strange movie, it opens like the opening of Robo cop but the guy is already a robo cop and they just repair him. 
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Xenomrph posted:For what it's worth, they don't anymore. The Weyland Yutani Report makes no mention of it, nor do any of the novels or comics that have been published after it. This is comforting to know. Speaking of which, I'm not too optimistic but I hope The Predator is good whenever it comes out. Predator and Predator 2 were so long ago. 
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Did you not like Predators?
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ruddiger posted:Did you not like Predators? I was gonna say, it's not Predator but it certainly tided me over pretty well.
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I thought it sucked really bad. I actually, ironically, have a lot of the same complaints about it that people have about Prometheus regarding selling it to me. Like I just didn't buy the cast AT ALL and it got even dumber to me when it became someone's Dexter vs. Predator crossover fan-fiction towards the end.
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Hunterhr posted:I was gonna say, it's not Predator but it certainly tided me over pretty well. Clipperton posted:Predators was hella fun and Walton Goggins is a national treasure
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He's gonna be a Navy Seal on the History channel by the way. Which should be... something.
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Neo Rasa posted:Like I just didn't buy the cast AT ALL how dare you sir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8ajCgvpzwU
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Ixian posted:If they get Biehn back I think they should go big, totally ridiculous style. Like Farcry Blood Dragon, the movie. Not gonna lie, Aliens: Blood Dragon sounds amazing.
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Neo Rasa posted:I thought it sucked really bad. I actually, ironically, have a lot of the same complaints about it that people have about Prometheus regarding selling it to me. Like I just didn't buy the cast AT ALL and it got even dumber to me when it became someone's Dexter vs. Predator crossover fan-fiction towards the end. Goggins was great though and nearly redeemed it because Goggins is great in everything...however this is tempered by the fact that his commitment to film this took him away from Justified for Season 2, where he was even better. Otherwise it was pretty paint by numbers. I liked it more than Prometheus - Predators never tried to be anything more than the dumb movie it was, at least - but I didn't buy the cast performances either. Adrian Brody just annoyed the poo poo out of me with his "badass without a past" performance and I am not sure what Topher Grace was doing but "trying to be Dexter on an alien planet" is as good a description as any. And they killed Danny Trejo first! Who wastes Danny Trejo in a Predator movie? Speaking of Predator in general, I am going to admit what is a dark secret for me: I kind of liked the first AVP movie. I don't think it's a great movie, and it's not a very good "Alien" movie, and finally the whole crossover thing just seems so loving dumb (yes, I hear the comics were good, but I don't read comics) but it kinda worked on its own. Mostly... sort of. Hey Lance Hendrickson is in it and he was trying hard too so I cut it some slack, sue me. Sometimes dumb entertainment just works and you get what you paid for. AVP fits in there for me. Now the sequel, on the other hand, was terrible, even though the brothers who made it clearly had a lot of love for the material.
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Goggins stabbing a predator from behind with a shiv while calling it a space human being is the greatest thing in any movie ever
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Yeah its pretty awesome.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The space marines with smart guns all died. They should have been more careful.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Goggins stabbing a predator from behind with a shiv while calling it a space human being is the greatest thing in any movie ever
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UmOk posted:They should have been more careful. They would have been fine if they had just laid down suppressing fire with the in-incinerators and moved back by squads to the APC.
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I remember liking the title sting to Predators when he lands on the jungle floor, the reveal shot that there are a bunch of weird alien planets in the sky above them, and the visuals of the sequence where it goes to poo poo in Laurence Fishburne's hideout and they light the red flares, reminded me of Alien.
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I was very ready to laugh at Adrien Brody's attempt at being an Arnold-type badass but I have to admit he sold me on it pretty quickly.
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Predators was easily better than AVP, AVP2, and Alien Resurrection. The dog things that the Predators used were original and creepy as gently caress, and I liked how humans were not the only ones being dumped on that planet for hunting. That, and the concept of warring factions among the Predators opened up some intriguing story arcs for possible sequels. I wished the acting was better, though.
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For the longest time, the only Blu Rays I had were Prometheus and Predators.
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Basebf555 posted:I was very ready to laugh at Adrien Brody's attempt at being an Arnold-type badass but I have to admit he sold me on it pretty quickly. We need more actors like Brody who will 1000% commit to any role whatsoever, be it Wladyslaw Szpilman or Flirty Harry. Amanda Plummer's another one.
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Clipperton posted:We need more actors like Brody who will 1000% commit to any role whatsoever, be it Wladyslaw Szpilman or Flirty Harry. Amanda Plummer's another one. gently caress him for doing Flirty Harry. How did he get roped into that crap?
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Ixian posted:If they can bring Ripley back after she jumped in a molten vat they can figure out a way to get Hicks on board as well. Ixian posted:If they get Biehn back I think they should go big, totally ridiculous style. Like Farcry Blood Dragon, the movie. I'll be onboard as gently caress for that if you take the concept art for Biehn and meld it with Maj. Schaefer from AVP Arcade: 
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Ixian posted:They would have been fine if they had just laid down suppressing fire with the in-incinerators and moved back by squads to the APC. I think that due to Cameron directing the Marines were suffering from a serious case of Avatar Syndrome.
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I watched Prometheus with the writer commentary and it's great to hear the writers walk you through character motivations and thought processes.
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UmOk posted:I think that due to Cameron directing the Marines were suffering from a serious case of Avatar Syndrome. We see Cameron's view on military dynamics in The Abyss too. Like how the marines in Aliens just lose it as soon as they can't hear Gorman's orders and lose Apone, Michael Biehn's character in The Abyss being cut off from the chain of command is said to be part of why he totally loses his mind. But to the credit of the marines in Aliens, there's supposed to be a not insignificant number of aliens in that scene.
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ruddiger posted:Did you not like Predators? It's a great example of someone loving something, making their homage to it, and failing on every level. There's three predators instead of just one! Only they're less threatening and effective than either of the single ones in other movies. There's a bunch of badasses from all over the world! Except they're a thrown together bunch of mostly poorly armed strangers. Two of them don't even have guns. I kind of liked the Topher Grace twist, but that doesn't make him much of a threat to a Predator, unless they're in the habit of sitting down and having a drink with their prey. There's a desperate last stand by one of the team! Except it actually works instead of being a futile gesture. It's a weird case of a sequel directly trying to ape the original, but somehow doing it with far lower stakes. Of repeating almost every beat of the original without topping or even equalling it.
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What would Predators be if it were made as that franchises' Aliens — a genre shift that picks up the fiction of the first movie, but uses it to attack different themes? Predator is hypermasculine in its anxiety, with a vagina-faced phantasm picking off the bodybuilders one by one. Where do you go with Predator that echoes the rape -> motherhood or slasher->Vietnam shift between Alien and Aliens?
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Snowman_McK posted:It's a great example of someone loving something, making their homage to it, and failing on every level. There's three predators instead of just one! Only they're less threatening and effective than either of the single ones in other movies. There's a bunch of badasses from all over the world! Except they're a thrown together bunch of mostly poorly armed strangers. Two of them don't even have guns. I kind of liked the Topher Grace twist, but that doesn't make him much of a threat to a Predator, unless they're in the habit of sitting down and having a drink with their prey. There's a desperate last stand by one of the team! Except it actually works instead of being a futile gesture. 'Predators' was a hoot and I really enjoyed it. Neo Rasa posted:We see Cameron's view on military dynamics in The Abyss too. Like how the marines in Aliens just lose it as soon as they can't hear Gorman's orders and lose Apone, Michael Biehn's character in The Abyss being cut off from the chain of command is said to be part of why he totally loses his mind. But to the credit of the marines in Aliens, there's supposed to be a not insignificant number of aliens in that scene.  Someone made a very faithful Flash remake and it is punishingly difficult. Groovelord Neato posted:predators had one of the more ridiculous trailer edits tho. To continue the Predator derail a little bit longer, I think the thing I appreciate the most about the creature design is the way it melds advanced technology and "primitive" tribalism in a way that doesn't seem jarring or out of place, and instantly gives the Predator a memorable sense of character just from his appearance. Taking the sequels (and EU) into account, the other thing I really appreciate is the degree of individuality given to the Predators; it's a really refreshing change of pace from cookie-cutter alien species from Star Wars or Star Trek where every member of a given species is identical and can be fit neatly into an archetype. The Predators stretch that a bit by centering their culture around hunting, but the EU at least does interesting things with it like having different groups of Predators with very different, often contradictory beliefs or behaviors. I've seen tons of "fans" complain about Predators acting "out of character" by doing things differently from the first movie or whatever, and I think that misses the point - there IS no "out of character", because they're not a homogeneous group. That's one of the things I find most interesting about them, I can't really think of another fictional species portrayed with such a degree of individuality. It gives creators a ton of real estate to do interesting things with them narratively, visually, and thematically. For me, the least interesting Predator stuff is the stuff that just rehashes the "classic" design. On that front, I'm really looking forward to Shane Black's 'The Predator'. I've thoroughly enjoyed Shane Black's writing, and while I haven't seen 'The Nice Guys' yet, I really liked 'Kiss Kiss Bang Bang' and 'Iron Man 3'. General Battuta posted:What would Predators be if it were made as that franchises' Aliens — a genre shift that picks up the fiction of the first movie, but uses it to attack different themes? Predator is hypermasculine in its anxiety, with a vagina-faced phantasm picking off the bodybuilders one by one. Where do you go with Predator that echoes the rape -> motherhood or slasher->Vietnam shift between Alien and Aliens? Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Dec 15, 2016 |
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