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Wait, I thought all the cool people were using emacs? For people trying to learn vim: http://vim-adventures.com
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RFC2324 posted:Be glad you never have to use older systems, or non-linux systems... or even just minimal install systems. There are plenty of cases where vi is the only option for editing, even if its not the majority of cases. I never said I don't know how to use VI.
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Dec 15, 2016 16:21
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Judge Schnoopy posted:If you google "never accept a counter offer" you will be met with an incredible number of articles making that exact statement.
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Dec 15, 2016 16:24
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Hey guys Remember that weird linux/apple loving vegan athiest who smells and refuses to shut up about how bad windows is? The one that I posted about 500 pages ago? I get to reformat his stupid "customised" PC tomorrow because our new phone software is incompatible with one of the changes he's made and thanks to him we can finally make a list of approved software that people can install from. Before it was handled by people "asking IT" (hahaha) before they installed something but since this guy joined he's made it easier for us to push for a change of policy. We're also auditing the PC's regularly now to catch people who aren't complying. Thank you, weird smelly first liner, you are so bad you've actually made my job easier.
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Dec 15, 2016 16:59
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Sounds like a win!
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Dec 15, 2016 17:15
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Sepist posted:I silently judge people who use nano over vi I use ed gently caress all you kids who need 'full screen'
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Dec 15, 2016 17:43
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CloFan posted:Sounds like a win! Now if only I can make it a company policy to hang an air freshener around his neck...
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Dec 15, 2016 17:46
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Some guy from corporate IT sent out a company wide email with a screenshot of one of our systems not working, and his username was SHART. I chuckled.
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The "SharePoint" in a file name was shortened by the platform it was stored in to "Sha...t" which I thought was highly appropriate.
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Dec 15, 2016 19:24
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big money big clit posted:Sounds like things are out of your hands, but "it has a faceplate with the same name as some other stuff we buy" is a terrible reason to buy something, especially as there is no special integration between those products. Well I think why that's a point is because they may give a better price because we buy so much from Dell, not that we just buy it because it's dell.
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Dec 15, 2016 21:18
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myron cope posted:Well I think why that's a point is because they may give a better price because we buy so much from Dell, not that we just buy it because it's dell. A better price than what? How do you know if it's a good price if you're not looking at comparable products? "Look how much we got off a completely arbitrary list price that no one actually pays!" The best way to get a good price from a vendor is to let them know you're looking at competitors.
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Dec 15, 2016 21:20
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insidius posted:I just have to tell someone. Or a large group of individuals I guess. Oh man, not again  . You were the one with the boss so bad you probably can't legally discuss it anymore.Scheduled an interview for that more advanced position. This one is full time rather than contract, and it would pay at least $60,000 per year rather than $27/hr. But I think I would like the other job's work better, and working with SQL would position me to get into the programming side of things. If I get both offers that will be a tough decision. That's a long shot though, so I probably shouldn't worry about it too much yet.
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Dec 15, 2016 22:01
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myron cope posted:Well I think why that's a point is because they may give a better price because we buy so much from Dell, not that we just buy it because it's dell. Management loves thinking this, no it's not true. Oh they gave us SUCH a good deal! Go configure any Dell Server you want. You will notice it tells you you are getting 60% off, that's the end of year special! Well most of the year it's at least 50% off I've never seen it less than that. I call my Dell Rep and they quote me above that I screenshot them the configuration ask what the gently caress they take $100 off and then refuse to go lower. I did still end up getting a Dell, but from a VAR because the VAR actually wanted to work with me. Same VAR also gave me a quote on an HP. I ended up with around 80% over the list price off but seriously, it's a nonsense number. I'm sure people get more off, but we weren't making a large purchase, and you can only expect so much. Dealing with Dell Directly is horrible don't do it, they don't want to sell to you, they want to sell through a vendor.
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Dec 15, 2016 22:08
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I have a great time dealing with Dell directly  Maybe they're nicer because they're Dell Canada eehehhehhhehehe
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Dec 15, 2016 22:11
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Shrug, I feel like Dell is in the same boat as Oracle. Avoid at all costs.
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I've never dealt with Dell sales, but Dell support has been pretty good.
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Dec 15, 2016 22:12
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Took a new job that is 100% remote. And thats awesome. The interview left me feeling great; moving large swaths of their infrastructure to Azure, big on powershell, infrastructure as code, DevOps. Awesome! The reality? Nope; 100% old school systems admin poo poo. Intentionally avoiding the specifics just in case.  At least the 100% remote part was true.
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Dec 15, 2016 22:33
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Dec 15, 2016 22:35
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psydude posted:I use nano over VI because it makes linux nerds angry and always prompts them to say "BUT ONCE YOU GET USED TO IT IT'S JUST SO MUCH FASTER!" My IRC friends just browbeat me into installing vim on my irssi VPS because nano is for losers. As if I do anything beyond tiny config tweaks anyway. Also whatever Ubuntu build RamNode uses didn't have vim on it from the get-go.
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Inspector_666 posted:My IRC friends just browbeat me into installing vim on my irssi VPS because nano is for losers. vim isn't everywhere, vi is. vim is just prettier.
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Dec 15, 2016 22:57
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Oh man, not again To be fair in this job my boss is awesome, they don't overwork me and they treat all their employees like human beings. I just got jammed into management by accident and it's not like "Still be technical and you manage" its just...managing. It's all O3's and meetings about how people feel about poo poo. I honestly just don't think I am cut out for it. It's not that I am bad at it, quite the opposite. I just can not find any enjoyment from it. I miss solving problems, I miss building awesome poo poo etc. I should try and look to become more excited about it I guess.
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Dec 16, 2016 00:41
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A text editor has no good reason to be so nonintuitive as to be effectively impossible to perform the following basic tasks without referencing a manual if you've never used it before. - Open a config file - Find a specific parameter - Edit that single line - Save the file - Exit Almost any other editor on the planet you could give to anyone sufficiently computer-savvy as to not go crosseyed when looking at a config file and they'd be able to figure out that set of tasks without much trouble. Not so for vi(m). Power user features are fine to be complicated, that's the nature of the beast, but we're talking about basically the bare minimum functionality required to call something a useful editor. vi(m) is needlessly complicated for a lot of uses and users. It's very powerful which is beneficial to a lot of users, but it shouldn't be the default. Something like nano would have been a far better choice for the "standard so it's everywhere" editor. How often do you really find yourself in a bare minimum environment needing to do advanced editing rather than just tweaking one or two little things? Obviously legacy compatibility means vi (or more often vim pretending to be vi) is going to be around basically forever but since there are already two different line editors there's no good reason IEEE/Open Group couldn't add another screen editor to the spec that's not built around the limitations of 70s-era terminals. It doesn't have to be nano, but something that either takes the de facto standard keystrokes for those functions or provides a user interface where those features can be discovered would be nice.
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nano supremacy
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wolrah posted:A text editor has no good reason to be so nonintuitive as to be effectively impossible to perform the following basic tasks without referencing a manual if you've never used it before. code:
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Dec 16, 2016 02:05
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Walked posted:Took a new job that is 100% remote. And thats awesome. I feel you. I definitely got a bit of bait and switch during the interviews at my current gig, where "how we want our environment to be" was presented as "how it is". Walked into a lot more manual processes and barriers/hostility between dev and ops than I'd expected. The silver lining was for the most part, their ~DevOps Utopia~ really is how they want the engineering org to operate. So mostly I'm having a blast moving things forward, and have lots of management support for it. Sure wasn't what I expected to log into on day one, though. I need to get better at dragging reality out of people during interviews whenever I decide to move on. Took too many claims at face value. Docjowles fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Dec 16, 2016 02:10
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If you don't use vi(m) and love it and pollute any server you have to log into with your .vimrc and .vim/ directories, you have no business as a *NIX admin.
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Docjowles posted:I feel you. I definitely got a bit of bait and switch during the interviews at my current gig, where "how we want our environment to be" was presented as "how it is". Walked into a lot more manual processes and barriers/hostility between dev and ops than I'd expected. I'm about to fly across the country to interview for a DevOps engineer role, and am nervous as hell about it. It sounds alot like what you are doing here. I have 3 interviews in the coming 5 days, including that one, after a 3 month dry spell. When it rains, it pours!
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Dec 16, 2016 03:36
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re: editor chat I grew up with pico, and never got round to learning vi. nano all day for me these days.
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RFC2324 posted:I'm about to fly across the country to interview for a DevOps engineer role, and am nervous as hell about it. It sounds alot like what you are doing here. Gotta use that personnel budget allocation before the end of the fiscal year or they might lose it. I've seen hiring flurries in Q4 and Q2, depending on when the fiscal year ends for the company.
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flosofl posted:Gotta use that personnel budget allocation before the end of the fiscal year or they might lose it.
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Re: text editing on remote Linux boxes These days I just do atom with remote-sync. Because gently caress editing documents in a terminal. Terminals are for commands, not writing an essay.
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EDIT: AAAAAAaaaand there's a newbie programming job thread in COBOL. I r smrt. Strikethroughing the ones that are better asked there. Hello, oh IT work megathread, I have a few questions. If there are resources I missed that answer them, feel free to tell me to gently caress off and read that before posting again. What the gently caress do (good) cybersecurity people actually do (with emphasis on entry-er level stuff)? Judging by the ticket and pissed off thread, some run a program then aggressively read off the outputs at you while rolling in money, yell at people for stupid policies, etc.. Or run penetration testing which seems like a somewhat more advanced than entry level thing to do. By the Security thread, it seems they mostly argue about crypto and buy people red text avatars, but that one was less entertaining than the ticket or pissing off threads. In the same line as the last one, how viable is starting in programming/dev without a bachelor's? For reference, I have a two year engineering degree with somewhat of an unofficial focus on programming and computer stuff. I got into college, and I have pretty much all the base requirements for a 4 year degree, but I was initially in engineering until learning that I am depressive and don't do well in an unsupervised setting like that. I am a bit rusty and would need to do some brushing up, but I am fluent in java, almost as fluent in C/C++ and know a good amount of HDL. Beyond that most of what I have done is dabbling. In language agnostic areas, I'm familiar with the basic data structures and choosing when to use them and the like, along with not coding like an idiot who doesn't care if anyone can read and maintain his code. My entire data structures course was held to pretty much professional commenting and style guide standards. I was pretty drat proud of that B. With that skillset in mind, are there any obvious things to learn that would increase employability? I'm currently working outside of computers, but I have plenty of time at work I could spend reading books. Finally, if any MD people want to weigh in on the job market here, I'd appreciate that, but not expecting much from this one. Felime fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Docjowles posted:I feel you. I definitely got a bit of bait and switch during the interviews at my current gig, where "how we want our environment to be" was presented as "how it is". Walked into a lot more manual processes and barriers/hostility between dev and ops than I'd expected. I'm on the end of week 1; and the more I observe and take in the operations and team environment, I get the feeling that the reality isnt even "that's where we want to be" but rather "a manager once sat in on a tech conference about the concept of DevOps and feels favorably, but doesnt really have the aptitude or pull to push it forward with any buy-in from management". Yeah; no thanks.
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flosofl posted:Gotta use that personnel budget allocation before the end of the fiscal year or they might lose it. I also found out today talking to one of the guys after todays interview that the market I am in favors windows admins because they cost so much less to pay than unix admins 
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Walked posted:I'm on the end of week 1; and the more I observe and take in the operations and team environment, I get the feeling that the reality isnt even "that's where we want to be" but rather "a manager once sat in on a tech conference about the concept of DevOps and feels favorably, but doesnt really have the aptitude or pull to push it forward with any buy-in from management". Yeah that sounds pretty garbage and I'd be tempted to jump back into job searching after a couple months if it doesn't improve. Unless there's some mitigating factor like insane pay. One "it wasn't a good fit" blip in a series of steady gigs shouldn't really tag you as a job hopper.
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Docjowles posted:Yeah that sounds pretty garbage and I'd be tempted to jump back into job searching after a couple months if it doesn't improve. Unless there's some mitigating factor like insane pay. Yeah; the compelling piece is 100% remote. But I'm already avidly putting my eyes on the market again. edit: And I've got a pretty lengthy history, and 5+ years tenure at my last position. Not too worried about dropping a one-off "not a good fit" all things considered. edit2: That said, I'm going to roll with it through the holiday season; not really interested in a rapid ejection here; but I cant see making it past the start of summer without some staggering restructuring. Walked fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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How many years would you need to not be considered a "job hopper"?
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Felime posted:EDIT: AAAAAAaaaand there's a newbie programming job thread in COBOL. I r smrt. Strikethroughing the ones that are better asked there. The job market in MD is great for IT people. Doubly so if you can get a security clearance.
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spiny posted:re: editor chat Same here. Why did pico change to nano, I don't even remember when it happened, but never did try to find out why it got rebranded.
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