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If you listen to the Theme of King JJ, you will find that he doesn't sound as confident as one would have expected before episode 11. Poor JJ 
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Tender Child Loins posted:Are we supposed to know what was going on in Chris's flashback? I think it's trying to emphasize that this could be one of his last, if not the last, season in skating because he's getting too old to qualify. He also actually does take his skating and rivalries seriously, even when his whole character has been written so that it's all jokes and fun and Chris on Ice on the outside. You could also take the revelation of Chris having a cat and glasses as a comparison with Victor: he has a poo poo-ton in common with Victor, including dear pets and anxiousness about aging and being "too good" at their sport for it to be fun or exciting anymore, and all the complex feelings that can create . Chris just kept on competing while Victor got off the ice. It's interesting to see many ways of trying to deal with these things. Can't imagine something like "need to retire in my 30's" but that seems to be normal for sports, especially figure skating and ballet (not a competitive sport in the same way but early retirement regardless). CryingAthena fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Dec 15, 2016 |
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Adel posted:I'm calling double shenanigans on that math The anime has fudged what year this is in (it seems to be a combination of several). The scoring system also seems to be one step removed, something that could be done with some tweaks of current point values.
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For one we only have partial knowledge of what their full routines consist of (and with JJ you get into the area of what was planned vs what was performed) and how well every single element was performed, so there is a lot of assuming going on. If we had full footage that was lovingly animated that would be another story, but we don't.
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The_Doctor posted:Hmm.. this twitter thread is a different take on the post-credits translation: That was honestly my thought as well but we'll see
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I still think they will end up together and it being raised as a cliffhanger that they might not in the penultimate episode doesn't change that. I do think that watching Yurio exceed his world record confirmed to Victor that his career as a skater is really, actually, over though. (Edit: And also that this means that he must love Yuri for a reason *other* than his potential as a skater.) That's the expression that Yuri couldn't read. Poor JJ. Fangz fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Dec 15, 2016 |
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Fangz posted:I do think that watching Yurio exceed his world record confirmed to Victor that his career as a skater is really, actually, over though. That's the expression that Yuri couldn't read. Yuri just sees Victor staring at the skaters and assumes Victor wishes he were back on the ice.
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Maera Sior posted:Scores are based on math, not magic. We know what their routines are, we know what the maximum scores are, we know what the penalties are for screwing up jumps, and we know what the maximum PCS for a short program is. Was an official breakdown of their full routines released? I'm more than willing to be corrected but I'm really wary of fan - based interpretations just because it's hard to pinpoint every element in a routine when it's live, let alone animated and with multiple cutaways. The scoring system involves a lot of math, but it isn'tpurely math. On the technical side, yeah it's pretty straight forward, you successfully do the move as defined and get a base amount of points. But a GOE +3 mark for one judge might be a GOE +1 for another, and judges can differ on how good/bad components are like choreography, which does require some level of subjectivity to get to a score. The end results are reached through pure math, but getting the numbers to plug into the formula isn't as cut and dry. Of course this is moot if they are using a modified scoring system for the show, though to me I think the numbers are just barely within the bounds of the current system that I'll buy that they're using the current system as-is.
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Adel posted:Was an official breakdown of their full routines released? I'm more than willing to be corrected but I'm really wary of fan - based interpretations just because it's hard to pinpoint every element in a routine when it's live, let alone animated and with multiple cutaways. We have the announcers and the previous routines. We know the quads they can do and what's required for the program. Even if Yurio got +3 on all his GOE, he still wouldn't have enough points with TES capped at 50. Likewise, JJ only performed two of his components, and even if they had been +3 he still wouldn't have enough. Someone suggested that Yurio's arms over his head added substantially to the point value of his jumps. I could buy that as a change to the system. As to how JJ got that many points when he shouldn't have received any for his singles, clearly something is different.
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Maera Sior posted:We have the announcers and the previous routines. We know the quads they can do and what's required for the program. Even if Yurio got +3 on all his GOE, he still wouldn't have enough points with TES capped at 50. Likewise, JJ only performed two of his components, and even if they had been +3 he still wouldn't have enough. Maybe the judges were moved?
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I was kind of a fan of the underplayed innuendo in Chris' flashback, but I have no idea if that's a quirk of the translation or not.
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Celery Jello posted:I was kind of a fan of the underplayed innuendo in Chris' flashback, but I have no idea if that's a quirk of the translation or not. Care to explain?
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The_Doctor posted:Care to explain? When he's at his house and that guy arrives, he says "You always come early", or something to that effect. I think. I'm not at home so I can't check. I swear I don't normally look for stuff like that but if anyone was making a joke like that it'd be Chris.
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Poor Chris. He puts up with so much.
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Maera Sior posted:We have the announcers and the previous routines. We know the quads they can do and what's required for the program. Even if Yurio got +3 on all his GOE, he still wouldn't have enough points with TES capped at 50. Likewise, JJ only performed two of his components, and even if they had been +3 he still wouldn't have enough. Thanks for the responses, it seems like a definite case can be made for the points not adding up. I'm favoring the idea that they're using a system that's similar to the IRL one but modified enough to allow for the skaters to get higher points. Something as simple as raising the Celery Jello posted:When he's at his house and that guy arrives, he says "You always come early", or something to that effect.  I would pet Chris' hilariously evil looking cat. a computer ghost fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Dec 15, 2016 |
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Maera Sior posted:We have the announcers and the previous routines. We know the quads they can do and what's required for the program. Even if Yurio got +3 on all his GOE, he still wouldn't have enough points with TES capped at 50. Likewise, JJ only performed two of his components, and even if they had been +3 he still wouldn't have enough. Is that not standard in real-world skating? The announcer definitely mentioned that the arm above the head added difficulty to the jump during Yurio's routine, so that would be my conclusion but I wasn't sure if that was a real thing or not.
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Chaotic Flame posted:Is that not standard in real-world skating? The announcer definitely mentioned that the arm above the head added difficulty to the jump during Yurio's routine, so that would be my conclusion but I wasn't sure if that was a real thing or not. It's not standard, usually skaters cross their arms over their chest when they jump. A raised arm does add difficulty to his jump which would contribute towards his GOE mark and component score. It's impossible to say by how much, though it's safe to assume that Yurio got the full +3 for GOE (but he probably would've gotten that without the raised arm, that boy was unstoppable). But it's increasingly looking like YOI's scoring system might be altered a bit so who knows :v
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Aren't there also bonus points you can get for innovative moves? Yes thank you I knew I wasn't crazy.
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I just realized that I was mixing up technical score (TES) and component score; TES isn't capped (outside of what human bodies are capable of), while it's the component score that caps at 50.Celery Jello posted:Aren't there also bonus points you can get for innovative moves? The raised arm has been done before so it's not innovative, and because component scores are capped, they kinda have diminishing returns. Yurio's component score would've been at or just shy of the cap regardless of the raised arm (that was a godly performance) so actually its contribution would've been the fraction of a point he needed to hit cap or just kinda been wasted (that hurt to type). Celery Jello posted:Yes thank you I knew I wasn't crazy. I didn't pick up on the innuendo until you pointed it out 
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This is very relevant to the thread: http://lethesomething.tumblr.com/post/154508940051/anne-approves-this-is-exactly-what-you-think-it
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Torrannor posted:This is very relevant to the thread: Georgi's new program is looking great.
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I gotta say, I really loved the opening this episode. It really gets you pumped up.
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Torrannor posted:This is very relevant to the thread: Oh poo poo, I made that
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I can't believe I'm feeling sorry for JJ. Watching his fans still love him after his fall was a really surprising move—this show's power of empathy is strong.
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Rand Brittain posted:I can't believe I'm feeling sorry for JJ. Watching his fans still love him after his fall was a really surprising move—this show's power of empathy is strong. yea the show taking JJ from 'ew go away straight boy' to 'oh my god I want to hug him' in just a few minutes was genuinely fantastic.
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JJ should skate to that one annoying Coldplay song that was everywhere in 2008.
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The_Doctor posted:Oh poo poo, I made that You made a good thing 
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Tender Child Loins posted:Tight. Someone should stick a logo on top of this that reads Yuri on Smirnoff Ice That's my joke, thanks for listening
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That's what I was wondering about in the flashback! Is that Chris's boyfriend, or...
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Tender Child Loins posted:That's what I was wondering about in the flashback! Is that Chris's boyfriend, or... well his coach is the bald guy so i'm assuming they're dating.
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I'm glad JJ is winning people over, that's mah boy  Really hoping he'll regain his confidence and give the FS of his life.I keep getting JJ'S THEME stuck in my head, it's obnoxiously catchy (just like him).
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I actually still don't like JJ. Also, Johnny apparently doesn't like JJ and Chris. https://twitter.com/JohnnyGWeir/status/809535893425963008
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I look in the mirror and the king looks back at me.
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Maera Sior posted:I actually still don't like JJ. yeah, jj can disappear off the face of the earth. chris is adorable though and might be beating yuri for my fave.
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dogsicle posted:yeah, jj can disappear off the face of the earth. chris is adorable though and might be beating yuri for my fave. I didn't like Chris until we found out what happened at the banquet. Now I completely understand why he acted why he did. Maybe the cute guy is his secondary coach?
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Maera Sior posted:I actually still don't like JJ. Haha he ended up binging it  In my dream S2 they would invite him to act as a guest commentator.
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Adel posted:Haha he ended up binging it Don't they have Oda Nobunari acting as one of the commentators? I swear I heard one of them refer to the other as "Oda" and "Nobu" early on and I wondered if the VA was the actual skater, or someone playing him. No one else seems to have noticed, so I might be hallucinating.
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Viola the Mad posted:Don't they have Oda Nobunari acting as one of the commentators? I swear I heard one of them refer to the other as "Oda" and "Nobu" early on and I wondered if the VA was the actual skater, or someone playing him. No one else seems to have noticed, so I might be hallucinating. Yeah they had Oda on, it was a really nice touch and added to YOI's sense of authenticity. Though I guess that means Oda is canon now.
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pray for the finale https://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/809443106424836098
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dogsicle posted:pray for the finale Well, the bluray with that episode should appear on june 2017.
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