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nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

XyrlocShammypants posted:

You gotta think of the opportunity costs, how many other parks even within 300 miles can you visit instead and also not have to be around the inland empire

That's not even the IE, it is the desert, which even the IE looks down as a bucnh of tweakers.
That said, JT is cool and good and you could easily spend a few nights there without doing meth, particularly in the spring if you like to hike.

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El Jebus
Jun 18, 2008

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nm posted:

That's not even the IE, it is the desert, which even the IE looks down as a bucnh of tweakers.
That said, JT is cool and good and you could easily spend a few nights there without doing meth, particularly in the spring if you like to hike.

Had that discussion with someone from Redlands the other day. I guess technically the coachella valley is part of the IE but most of the desert doesn't agree and thinks they are their own thing. I agree that once you get to the meat of the windmills you are no longer in the IE. High desert that isn't in JT park is trash. Except Pappy & Harriets. That place is awesome.

Shammypants
May 25, 2004

Let me tell you about true luxury.

It's inland empire, they can "deal with it" as the kids say

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

The IE is basically anything an hours drive from the I-10 and I-215 interchange. Thats Ontario/Corona on the west, Banning/Hemet on the East, Murietta on the South and Victorville on the North, although I'd call that high desert.

The I.E. is enclosed by mountain ranges so it's not that hard to figure out. If you start in riverside and then cross a mountain pass then congrats, you've escaped the I.E.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

El Jebus posted:

Had that discussion with someone from Redlands the other day. I guess technically the coachella valley is part of the IE but most of the desert doesn't agree and thinks they are their own thing. I agree that once you get to the meat of the windmills you are no longer in the IE. High desert that isn't in JT park is trash. Except Pappy & Harriets. That place is awesome.

Ever been to wonder valley?
It is special. In the hills have eyes type way.

El Jebus
Jun 18, 2008

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nm posted:

Ever been to wonder valley?
It is special. In the hills have eyes type way.

I haven't. Actually haven't even been in 29 Palms proper. I go on rides through JT occasionally but always go back to the hellish landscape that is old people and golf courses.

Doom Sleigher
Dec 29, 2004



El Jebus posted:

I haven't. Actually haven't even been in 29 Palms proper. I go on rides through JT occasionally but always go back to the hellish landscape that is old people and golf courses.

29 Palms is just Joshua Tree with the artsy folk replaced with Marines.

El Jebus
Jun 18, 2008

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coupbrick posted:

29 Palms is just Joshua Tree with the artsy folk replaced with Marines.

And being former army, I'll continue to not go there.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

coupbrick posted:

29 Palms is just Joshua Tree with the artsy folk replaced with Marines.

Also, instead of natural beauty, there's a casino.

jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire
29 Palms was weird. Joshua Tree's west entrance clearly has all of the vacationers from LA coming in, and the few blocks of hip stores attest to it.

The park's east entrance? Oh dear. My wife and I were wondering why every other store had signs for "MARINE HAIRCUTS" until I realized there was that huge marine base out there.

edit - between the two towns is Indian Cove campground, which was fukken amazing. Basically you sleep in little valleys of stones that look like crowds of Rock Biters from Neverending Story.

Doom Sleigher
Dec 29, 2004



stone cold posted:

Also, instead of natural beauty, there's a casino.

I think you're thinking of Spotlight 29, which isn't in 29 Palms, but is on something called the 29 Palms Reservation, which is east of Thousand Palms and Palm Desert. Palm.

TasmanianX
Jan 7, 2009

Just Kick 'Em
I took last week off and drove down to LA from SF. Scooped the wife at LAX after gearing up, and took a boat to Catalina Island and then another (smaller) boat to a remote campground on the island.

Here's the quick vid. It was a loving blast to film and edit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBxUDqpF-Uw

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FCKGW
May 21, 2006

jeeves posted:

29 Palms was weird. Joshua Tree's west entrance clearly has all of the vacationers from LA coming in, and the few blocks of hip stores attest to it.

The park's east entrance? Oh dear. My wife and I were wondering why every other store had signs for "MARINE HAIRCUTS" until I realized there was that huge marine base out there.

edit - between the two towns is Indian Cove campground, which was fukken amazing. Basically you sleep in little valleys of stones that look like crowds of Rock Biters from Neverending Story.

Indian cove is awesome, I was just there last month. Also there's no park entrance fee to camp there.

Doom Sleigher
Dec 29, 2004



FCKGW posted:

Indian cove is awesome, I was just there last month. Also there's no park entrance fee to camp there.

Nice scenery :discourse:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1132415,-116.1554798,3a,23y,231.78h,87.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sueg3x7HGkmM2WD_Jfn1xdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The Grey
Mar 2, 2004

I'm visiting Northern California and flying into San Francisco. I'd like to spend my first two nights in the area and do San Francisco stuff. (Mostly just one full day's worth of activities since I'm not landing until later afternoon.) I'm assuming I don't want a car while in the city, so I don't plan on renting one until I head out. Which of these is the better approach?

1. Land in SFO then get to downtown somehow (Uber/Bart/whatever) and spend the two nights at a hotel downtown, seeing tourist stuff, etc. Then go back to SFO to get a rental car and head out.

2. Land in SFO and get a hotel near the airport. Take an Uber or whatever into downtown, spend the day downtown, and get back to the hotel at night.

I'm trying to keep the hotel at $125 a night or less without doing a hostel or shared place type of thing. It seems like I can find cheaper places near the airport and also get free shuttle to and from the airport. Would it be much more convenient to stay downtown instead? Can I get a decent place near the tourist area for that price? (My wife will freak out if it's dirty or in a bad area.) Is there anything I'm overlooking?

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."
I'd say go into the city (sfo is pretty far from san francisco), but $125 is going to be hard.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
hello friendos, I would like to relocate to the San Francisco area

I already understand that I am going to be bankrupt and living on cat food within a year of moving so I would like to limit the damage with a nice-ish suburb by a BART station. What kind of prices can I expect from various areas? I would prefer not having to fight off coyotes with a steel pipe but I'm open to suggestions.

(Probably looking at a ~$95k/yr salary or so)

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."
My brother pays like $1500 for a 1br in berkerley, but his is both really lucky and rent controlled (and the building has issues), so good loving luck.

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012

Chokes McGee posted:

(Probably looking at a ~$95k/yr salary or so)
Do you have you job lined up already and is it near a BART station? Commutes are a huge quality of life factor in the bay area and getting between the peninsula and East bay sucks.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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Chokes McGee posted:

hello friendos, I would like to relocate to the San Francisco area

I already understand that I am going to be bankrupt and living on cat food within a year of moving so I would like to limit the damage with a nice-ish suburb by a BART station. What kind of prices can I expect from various areas? I would prefer not having to fight off coyotes with a steel pipe but I'm open to suggestions.

(Probably looking at a ~$95k/yr salary or so)
You will be fine. If you even make $60k a year, you can make bay area work. I mean you'll have zero retirement and it won't be the hippest sexiest 2-beddie out in The Mish' going out for artisinal $15 cocktails everynight, but still won't be living on cat food either and won't even need to put up with roommates.

Answer all depends on where your job is really

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Yeah "near BART" covers a hell of a lot of ground - and doesn't cover the south peninsula. It makes a huge difference whether you're working in SF, or maybe santa clara/san jose, or somewhere in the east bay.

You don't want to be living in Bay Point and trying to commute via BART to Cupertino.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

What everyone else said. Tell us where the job is. Also, how old are you? How important is nightlife to you? Have any other interests?

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Ron Jeremy posted:

What everyone else said. Tell us where the job is. Also, how old are you? How important is nightlife to you? Have any other interests?

I do not have a job lined up yet but have a regular job right now. This is preliminary research, I'm not going to start the ball rolling until I'm sure it's feasible.

I'm 36, idgaf about nightlife, and I like to play poker and write. I haven't done the former in a while since I have less money and have realized I'm not as good as I thought. :smith: A good coffee house scene is essential, but as long as I can get into town fairly easily, I should be fine.

Also have obscure goth tastes in music, but I'm not young or pretty enough to dress up, so I don't foresee going to too many concerts.

e: mostly I would like to move to a state where the local government literally does not want me to die and I can actually have healthcare

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
What is your current job and what skills do you have? It might be smart to figure out where you could get a job, narrow down places in general, and then get specific after you get hired.

E.g., if I had a degree in bioengineering I'd probably look at Amgen in Thousand Oaks. Then I could decide on a community from there. Like, live in Westlake Village to be closer to LA. Or on Oxnard shore for the beaches, shopping, and ready access to the nightlife in Ventura. Or stay in T.O. for its proximity to mountains, the beach, and woodland. Or go with Simi Valley if you love Reagan and boiling hot weather.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

He said he's moving to the bay area, though.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
He also doesn't have a job there and indicated that he wanted to move there even though he didn't know the area well. If he wants to move for California's politics there's a whole lot more than just the bay area.

Job first, move second.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Not really a whole lot to go on there. Assuming you're single, I'd point toward living in the city. If you don't know any or many people, the suburbs can be a little alienating. Drive to work, drive home. Starbucks Starbucks Starbucks. The city has more opportunities for single people of all sorts of interests to get together that aren't necessarily structured around a school like you'd find in Berkeley or Palo Alto. It's loving expensive though. I'd look at just renting a room and seeing how things go from there. A room in the city will run between 1-2000/mo depending on the neighborhood and how nice the place is. The city is changing too. Gentrification is real and many of the older, cooler (imo) scene stuff is moving from the city to Oakland. Once you show up and get a feel for things I'd recommend looking at the east bay for a more affordable place, but again balance the affordable but alienating with the close but in touch with the scene.

And lastly, transportation. Commuting sucks. If your job is in Sunnyvale, you don't want to be driving from the city every day. There are two caltrain stops in the city and it's pretty much the only show in town for mass transit down the peninsula. Hence why facebook and google and so on run those shuttles. Your life will be greatly improved by choosing a place that makes sense for your commute.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Ron Jeremy posted:

Not really a whole lot to go on there. Assuming you're single, I'd point toward living in the city. If you don't know any or many people, the suburbs can be a little alienating. Drive to work, drive home. Starbucks Starbucks Starbucks. The city has more opportunities for single people of all sorts of interests to get together that aren't necessarily structured around a school like you'd find in Berkeley or Palo Alto. It's loving expensive though. I'd look at just renting a room and seeing how things go from there. A room in the city will run between 1-2000/mo depending on the neighborhood and how nice the place is. The city is changing too. Gentrification is real and many of the older, cooler (imo) scene stuff is moving from the city to Oakland. Once you show up and get a feel for things I'd recommend looking at the east bay for a more affordable place, but again balance the affordable but alienating with the close but in touch with the scene.

And lastly, transportation. Commuting sucks. If your job is in Sunnyvale, you don't want to be driving from the city every day. There are two caltrain stops in the city and it's pretty much the only show in town for mass transit down the peninsula. Hence why facebook and google and so on run those shuttles. Your life will be greatly improved by choosing a place that makes sense for your commute.

And right after the Raiders moved too :negative:

I know it's not a lot to go on but I'm kind of in a catch-22 here. I don't want to start job hunting until I have an idea of where in the state is good to move to, but I need to know what jobs are available to pick places out. Blah. If it helps, I'm a programmer with about 16+ years of experience. The general feel I got is that I can get a job anywhere, but I don't know how true that is these days. I really do want to live at least close to a major city, but I doubt very seriously I could afford to be inside it.

idk anything about California though that's why I'm here :shobon:

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Look for work in the city. Rent a room in the city to get started. There's my advice.

Also, if you're a Raider fan, hit me up when you get here. You can tailgate with us.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Ron Jeremy posted:

Look for work in the city. Rent a room in the city to get started. There's my advice.

Also, if you're a Raider fan, hit me up when you get here. You can tailgate with us.

vegassssssssssssssss

Alright. It'll have to be a two person apartment since I'm married (WHOOPS FORGOT TO MENTION THAT) but if it's actually possible to live there then let's do this thing.

Thank you Cali goons!

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug
Oakland (Brooklyn aka "SF Junior") is also a good base of operations or even Berkeley (Rockridge). Make sure you have a single, tiny car that can do anything like a Prius/Honda Fit as most garages are tiny if you can even score one and street parking is less than scarce.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Keyser S0ze posted:

Oakland (Brooklyn aka "SF Junior") is also a good base of operations or even Berkeley (Rockridge). Make sure you have a single, tiny car that can do anything like a Prius/Honda Fit as most garages are tiny if you can even score one and street parking is less than scarce.

sweet I own a scion xA

wife will probably have to sell her car though

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.

Chokes McGee posted:

I'm a programmer with about 16+ years of experience.

Don't get a job in San Luis Obispo until I already have one, tia.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

The raiders might not be moving to vegas, since both adelson and goldman sachs have now pulled out of the deal.

If you're a programmer with 16 years of experience you can probably negotiate on the basis of telecommuting. That said, there are some companies that insist you go to the office - Apple being one of the most notorious for that. Then again, Apple has shuttles all over the bay area, so if you don't mind spending two or more hours a day on a shuttle, it's do-able.

I think SF or Oakland are good places to move to temporarily on a month-to-month lease to get a feel for the area, and also be within decent commuting distance of work. If you'd prefer a shorter commute and maximum access to the core software companies, you're looking at sunnyvale/santa clara/mountain view/cupertino kind of area in the south peninsula, a little north of san jose. But again with your level of experience you could probably work for many different large silicon valley companies from anywhere in the country or even the world that has good internet service.

If you want to get into the startup scene then yeah you wanna be somewhere in or between SF and San Jose, or Oakland, and you want to be flexible (e.g., rent so you can move if you need to).

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012

Rent a room until at least one of you can find a job, but:

Chokes McGee posted:

A good coffee house scene is essential
I don't know if this is code for anything, but the little city of Martinez has three quite good coffee spots in the downtown area. Mountain Grounds, States, and Barrelista. Not a lot of jobs there, but you or your wife might be able to find an okayish paying but reliable job with contra costa county.

We have more than our fair share of tweekers, no nightlife, and a mediocre selection of restaurants, but I have really enjoyed the past year and half that I have lived here.

Speedboat Jones
Dec 28, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
I've been working in Palmdale for almost 2 years now, and although I've been trying to avoid it, I'm going to be moving to Lancaster soon. I just can't afford to keep living in Santa Clarita. Anybody know the area? Is there anything to do out there? Is my house going to get robbed?

Blinkman987
Jul 10, 2008

Gender roles guilt me into being fat.
Any opinions on where to live near Buena Park in Orange County? Every option seems so awful that I may choose to commute in from the beach cities since I'm going the opposite way of traffic each day. I need a 1 BR/1BA, preferably at $1500 or less. Single male, mid 30s, focused on career-- top priority is that it's quiet at night, second priority is that it's filled with other single people who are similarly minded. Not interested in living around families, and I'm too old for college kids.

Blinkman987 fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Feb 25, 2017

Toe Rag
Aug 29, 2005

I lived in the "East Village" of Long Beach and commuted to Anaheim, right on the border of Buena Park (5/91 interchange). I worked 7-4, and 90% of the time I go could 80mph, so 20-25 minute commute most days. I moved away 3 years ago, but I cannot imagine traffic patterns would have changed that much.

Blinkman987
Jul 10, 2008

Gender roles guilt me into being fat.

Toe Rag posted:

I lived in the "East Village" of Long Beach and commuted to Anaheim, right on the border of Buena Park (5/91 interchange). I worked 7-4, and 90% of the time I go could 80mph, so 20-25 minute commute most days. I moved away 3 years ago, but I cannot imagine traffic patterns would have changed that much.

Thanks. That might be better. I'm currently in the beach cities (which I like a lot), so the commute is ok in the sense that I'm not driving with the traffic jam each day, but it's still 25 miles and ~40 mins each way. East Long Beach would shave about 10-15 mins on that drive, which is decent. I'll think about that option. I appreciate the help.

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YamataNoOrochi
Oct 24, 2005

I'm relocating from San Dimas to the SLO area for work, and trying to decide what city I'm actually going to end up in.

Work will have me going anywhere from Cambria and Paso Robles on the north end, down to Pismo Beach. I've got a decent lead on a rental in Morro Bay, but if that falls through or turns out to be terrible when I'm there next week to take a look, I'm open to anywhere in the area.

Thoughts on the cities around there?

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