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Xenomrph posted:Definitely gonna disagree there - I read it more as the movie going out of its way to present some of the tropes from the original movie, and then going out of its way to subvert them. It's a team of people... but none of them know or trust each other. They're in a jungle... but it's not a jungle any of them are familiar with, or can exploit to their advantage. The silent warrior does a mano-a-mano last stand with a Predator... and ends up killing it. The huge gruff guy with the minigun... is revealed to be a family man and the friendliest person in the group. Adrien Brody tries the "hide in the mud" trick... and it totally doesn't work. The Super-Predators use hunting tactics... but they're all completely different from the tactics used in 'Predator', while simultaneously being intuitive and easy to understand. We've had this discussion before, probably in this very thread. I still maintain that 'doing things worse' is a poor way to subvert it. I think the most unforgivable thing is that it doesn't have a single memorable kill.
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 07:31 |
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# ? May 16, 2024 17:47 |
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Don't say "tropes" please
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 12:51 |
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Some new spoilers for Alien: Covenant:quote:
This goes alongside these previous leaks: quote:
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 15:08 |
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Showing a transparent Alien would be a nice throwback to the original and seems much more feasible to pull off in 2016 than 1979. For the story details, it's hard to make much of some high-level story recaps that may or may not be true so I'll just wait to see the movie.
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 15:58 |
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Oooh, ooh! It comes out the BACK instead of teh FRONT!! This apparently passes for creativity?
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 16:52 |
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I think I mentioned this before, but there's an Alien/Predator/Prometheus comic that kind of mirrors the path that leak sets up: Dying scientist injects his friendly botfriend with Black Goo because he thinks the synthoid will "filter" the mutagenic elements. Ends up making a cyber-organic sentient, angry bioroid that progresses into some hellish man/xeno monstrosity with a huge hate-on for the guy that infected him
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 16:54 |
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FilthyImp posted:I think I mentioned this before, but there's an Alien/Predator/Prometheus comic that kind of mirrors the path that leak sets up:
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 17:07 |
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AlternateAccount posted:Oooh, ooh! It comes out the BACK instead of teh FRONT!! This apparently passes for creativity? The black goo from Prometheus passes for creativity, but it confused all the poor Alien fans so Scott has to keep it simple for them this time.
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 17:52 |
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With Scott's sense of humor, ideally that's not just how the new creature rolls but rather a super painful sequence of it failing to crack the person's rib cage open at first or something.
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 18:00 |
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Apparently one of them bursts through someone's throat as well.
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 18:28 |
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So why is the alien is alien bio-mechnical then? Those eggs were ancient.
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 19:01 |
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Is that Bill Nye in drag?
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 19:05 |
Jonah Galtberg posted:Don't say "tropes" please It's a good and useful word and deserves to be reappropriated from the Flanderized Badass Lampshade people Regarding those Covenant spoilers: eeehhhhhh. Prometheus, for all its flaws, mostly managed to avoid the prequel pitfall of tying together unrelated elements of the originals in silly and awkward ways (Darth Vader building C3PO). If androids and aliens are related then Covenant might be doing a half-gainer right into it.
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 19:34 |
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Baronjutter posted:So why is the alien is alien bio-mechnical then? Those eggs were ancient.
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 20:00 |
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So I assume David tricks Walter into a Freaky Friday style brain swap then uses his old head (with Walter inside it) with goop from the Neonates or the spores or w/e to make the first 'true' xenomorph while pretending to be Walter?
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 20:25 |
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So what happened to Shaw?
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 20:36 |
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banned from Starbucks posted:So what happened to Shaw? She died.
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 20:37 |
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wuffles posted:So I assume David tricks Walter into a Freaky Friday style brain swap then uses his old head (with Walter inside it) with goop from the Neonates or the spores or w/e to make the first 'true' xenomorph while pretending to be Walter? I would prefer A really disquieting scene of Davehead pretending to get a HAL9000 lobotomy, with him turning it around on Walt and stripping him, bit by bit, of his independence, motor control, and ability to think, culminating in a dollhusk that gets eggmorphed. Basically something really inhumane and twisted in the name of "Well I can do this so why not". The biblical concept of Covenant has a paternalistic feeling to me, begging compliance and offering rewards in an unbalanced power structure kind of way. I'm wondering how much of that plays into David's hubris in creating, and how much it'll be a Frankenstein moment where he rejects a flawed creation, and how Shaw may grow to reject David's growing separation for his design/implied humanity. VvV If Shaw gets Alien'd by David in a cruel twist I'd be on board with that FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Dec 15, 2016 |
# ? Dec 15, 2016 20:37 |
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Basebf555 posted:She died. On the way back to her home planet?
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 20:46 |
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Maybe this movie will fare better with fans now that the Space Jockey question is out of the way. That seemed to really stick in a lot of people's craw, that the Space Jockey was just some really big dude.
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 20:50 |
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I thought synths were basically "immune" to aliens and aliens showed no interest in them since they aren't biological. I guess black goo can do whatever it wants.
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 20:53 |
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Baronjutter posted:I thought synths were basically "immune" to aliens and aliens showed no interest in them since they aren't biological. I guess black goo can do whatever it wants. David touches it in Prometheus and nothing happens so
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 21:01 |
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splicing android DNA with the xenos to create the aliens? hahahahahahahahahaahaha jfc
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 22:15 |
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HannibalBarca posted:splicing android DNA with the xenos to create the aliens? hahahahahahahahahaahaha jfc
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 22:50 |
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HannibalBarca posted:splicing android DNA with the xenos to create the aliens? hahahahahahahahahaahaha jfc yeah...
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 23:06 |
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This new alien movie might be visually stunning and scary and "good" in every respect but holy gently caress is the plot pants on head stupid.
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# ? Dec 15, 2016 23:17 |
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Not reading any of the spoilers but that makes it sound really promising.
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 00:25 |
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Baronjutter posted:This new alien movie might be visually stunning and scary and "good" in every respect but holy gently caress is the plot pants on head stupid. Yeah but the idea of David rejecting human kind and using the stuff of life to create something new, with it horribly backfiring and turning into a mess is pretty consistent with stuff going on in Prometheus. Kind of wish they had kept that 70s-80s style of PART II for this one, since it might help make the first movie better.
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 01:09 |
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Baronjutter posted:I thought synths were basically "immune" to aliens and aliens showed no interest in them since they aren't biological. I don't mean to cut the legs out from under you here but... Also there seems to be a misconception about how synths work in the movies. They're artificial people but they're still more "grown" than "built." What you're seeing when Ash/etc. get owned throughout the franchise is literally a unique physiology and set of organs grown to work with some electronic stuff also. The synths are literally biomechanical beings. Scott actually says all this directly on the Alien 1 commentary. The words robot/android/etc. are used in their oldest context to mean a being created to do stuff for us rather than a thing made out of circuit boards and metal. EDIT: Now that I actually write this out, some of those other spoilers people have posted make almost TOO MUCH sense. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Dec 16, 2016 |
# ? Dec 16, 2016 01:31 |
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I'm not saying it is a good idea - it could work, but I have a feeling it won't - but the idea of biomechanical androids fusing with Aliens does kind of fit in to the Alien world, make of it what you will.
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 03:49 |
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Neomorph, welcome to the next generation.
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 07:29 |
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So is Covenant the movie that's supposed to tie directly back to Alien? If that's the case, I guess they're gonna have to set up the Space Jockey/Derelict/Distress Beacon scenario at some point in Covenant so the Nostromo can come across it in the future?
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 16:21 |
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wuffles posted:So is Covenant the movie that's supposed to tie directly back to Alien? If that's the case, I guess they're gonna have to set up the Space Jockey/Derelict/Distress Beacon scenario at some point in Covenant so the Nostromo can come across it in the future? I'm hoping there won't ever be a scene where we literally see the derelict from Alien land on LV-426, but I guess that's what the fans want so we probably will get just that.
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 16:54 |
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Basebf555 posted:I'm hoping there won't ever be a scene where we literally see the derelict from Alien land on LV-426, but I guess that's what the fans want so we probably will get just that.
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 17:16 |
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I'll step up to bat and say that the fans I've seen on message boards (myself included) don't want fan-service callbacks or convenient future movie setups. Seriously, "fans" get a (deservedly) bad wrap for missing the point of the things they allegedly love, but Alien fans can be better than most. It helps that the Alien series hadn't had nearly the pop culture saturation and sheer volume of media released every year like, say, Star Wars; fans have had to subsist on less for a longer period of time, and it's helped even further that FOX doesn't facilitate "nerd culture" and bullshit minutiae overanalysis like Lucasfilm does with Star Wars.
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 17:36 |
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It would be hilarious if it ends like The Thing (2011) or Rogue One with the intro to Alien replayed from the perspective of the space jockey dying right beforehand or something.
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 18:49 |
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I just hope it doesn't poo poo on or retcon any of the things that I liked in alien, like the derelict and eggs being really loving old and the space jockey not being a large human in a suit.
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 18:52 |
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Electromax posted:It would be hilarious if it ends like The Thing (2011) or Rogue One with the intro to Alien replayed from the perspective of the space jockey dying right beforehand or something. The hell, dude, spoiler that crap.
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 18:53 |
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Baronjutter posted:I just hope it doesn't poo poo on or retcon any of the things that I liked in alien, like the derelict and eggs being really loving old and the space jockey not being a large human in a suit.
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 18:54 |
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THE BAR posted:The hell, dude, spoiler that crap. Now you know the space jockey is in Rogue one!!!
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# ? Dec 16, 2016 18:56 |