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zegermans posted:I see no difference in factual basis or partisanship between swiftboating and the FBI email investigation, and people have constantly said "maybe don't nominate a person under FBI investigation?!" your abuela was terrible good thing she's done now
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Fiction posted:I think my literal autistic rage comes from the fact that Hillary set herself up for a run for eight years and in that time learned nothing from her mistakes and lost an easy election to a reality TV star. When Trump puts me and the rest of the erbkranken in the camps I'll know who to blame, and it won't be Michael Tracey. This is what gets me. Most of the basis of my support was the illusion during the primary that she was running a tighter ship. She just got better at hiding it. Really I'm mad at Obama more than anyone though. I didn't realize how much of a lovely blairite he was, and he get less than nothing for his compramises
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:She just got better at hiding it. no the signs were there, everyone was just distracted by trump
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https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/809771495975174144 Tulsi 2020!!!!!
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Terror Sweat posted:no the signs were there, everyone was just distracted by trump This. There was also a predominant wisdom that you shouldn't express any concerns with the campaign, or else that might hurt it. So people who saw the signs didn't raise a stink about them, or assumed they wouldn't matter.
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Who cares if she'll glass the middle east, she'll be great domestically. Like a female Hindi extremist LBJ.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...2bb7_story.html FBI Broken!!!!! Dude, I wish the FBI sent me a fuckin e-mail everytime a russian bro tries to hack my steam account but I have loving TWO FACTOR YOU LITERAL OLD RETARD. Maybe learning to use a computer should be a requirement of centrist DNC piece of poo poo officials. If you think the solution to chronic unemployment in the upper midwest is teaching 50 year olds to loving code then the least you can loving do is learn how to use an e-mail account.
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If Kerry was a better candidate running a more appealing campaign it wouldn't have mattered that they got some guys to say some poo poo about his war record And if Clinton was a better candidate running a more appealing campaign it wouldn't have mattered that they got Comey to say "maybe an email thing?????" like seriously can we all agree that any defense of the John loving Kerry campaign is either misguided or disingenuous
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al gore ran a bad campaign too. all the losers were bad! all the ones i can remember anyway
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sure thats obvious but i mean really, joe lieberman?????? come on al gore, you are responsible for isis
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loquacius posted:If Kerry was a better candidate running a more appealing campaign it wouldn't have mattered that they got some guys to say some poo poo about his war record Well the thing is you need to appeal to moderate Republicans to LOSE EVERY drat RACE YOU GODDAMN PARTY OF SLIGHTLY MORE SOCIALLY CONSCIOUS MILLIONAIRES! Be sure to register to vote!
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blamegame posted:al gore ran a bad campaign too. all the losers were bad! all the ones i can remember anyway I have very little memory of the Al Gore campaign but Gore himself was not charismatic in the least and that hurt him I think it was a similar thing to HRC (minus Sanders), he was basically unopposed in the primary because he was the successor to the highly-popular outgoing administration, and they figured that was enough to win the general, I guess because that worked for the Republicans in 1988, and it almost was.
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note that the only person defending kerry's campaign is zegermans
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Dems are like "YOU CAN'T DO THIS!" every time someone can do something bad
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The 2004 election happened when I was a teenager, and the Kerry campaign is the archetypal "bad presidential campaign" in my mind Like, my memory of it is that they led with "Kerry 2004: Let's Get Rid Of George Bush" and the Republicans were like "Kerry is a flip-flopper who doesn't actually stand for anything and changes his mind with the wind based on what is currently convenient *counts money, kills more people*" and the Democrats were like "I'll tell you what John Kerry stands for, he stands for GETTING RID OF GEORGE BUSH" and boy oh boy did that ever not work also I'm super disappointed in Tulsi Gabbard 
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loquacius posted:The 2004 election happened when I was a teenager, and the Kerry campaign is the archetypal "bad presidential campaign" in my mind Centrism cannot fail, it can only be failed.
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I would have thought that if you could learn two lessons from the 2004 election, they'd be "make sure your campaign has a clear message and campaigns on it strongly so that your opponent does not control the talking points" and "negative campaigning is not enough by itself" but we did not learn those lessons because they were crowded out of our collective minds by "demonize third-party voters", boy did we ever learn that one
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i want to see footage of democrats saying their plans for government are "revenue neutral" and then neil breen making them shoot themselves in the head
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loquacius posted:I would have thought that if you could learn two lessons from the 2004 election, they'd be "make sure your campaign has a clear message and campaigns on it strongly so that your opponent does not control the talking points" and "negative campaigning is not enough by itself"
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Tulsi: We need to stop doing all this dumbass regime change in the Middle East! Me:  Tulsi: ...because Muslims are savage animals who don't deserve our help. Me: 
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If you run a purely negative campaign, and your opponent also runs a purely negative campaign, the result is not that the person with stronger negatives loses, the result is that the Republicans win Because an all-negative campaign convinces people that there's no point in voting, and low turnout favors the GOP every time. Give people a reason to vote for you, not a reason not to vote for your opponent. This isn't hard.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:there wasn't even a third party in the 2004 election, let that one sink in for a bit
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loquacius posted:If you run a purely negative campaign, and your opponent also runs a purely negative campaign, the result is not that the person with stronger negatives loses, the result is that the Republicans win
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:"but if we actually campaigned on our platform we'd scare off wall street investors" --a bad dem says, as he is fed into the soylent machine along with other "undesirables" money money must be funny in a rich man's world
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Nice. Good article.
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zegermans posted:I see no difference in factual basis or partisanship between swiftboating and the FBI email investigation, and people have constantly said "maybe don't nominate a person under FBI investigation?!" Are you still melting down because trumps "grab'em by the pussy" didn't matter, exactly like I said pre-election night? Whereas the thing people have been talking about since 2015, the emails, actually did, and should, matter?
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loquacius posted:I have very little memory of the Al Gore campaign but Gore himself was not charismatic in the least and that hurt him Despite my horrifying realization earlier that 2000 and 2016 were very similar elections, there are a few differences; Gore wasn't scandal-ridden, he was just kind of boring, and decided (or it was decided for him) that distancing himself from the (weakened by scandal but still very popular) Clinton Administration was the best thing for his campaign, which was probably not the case. Choosing Joe loving Lieberman as his running mate sure didn't help counter the THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME narrative that gave rise to Nader's candidacy, though. And George W. Bush was campaigning as basically a lovable moderate puppy. I'm kind of astonished it ended up as close as it did, to be honest. Gore ended up becoming one of those people I like a lot better when he's not running for office.
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zegermans posted:Who cares if she'll glass the middle east, she'll be great domestically. Like a female Hindi extremist LBJ. Agreed. Unlike Hillary, who wants to glass the middle east and still be absolute garbage with her domestic policies.
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...we should run someone who can convincingly portray a lovable moderate puppy in 2020. (Not someone who actually IS one, but who can pretend to be one right up until five minutes after the oath of office when HAHAHAHA SUCKERS I'M IN CHARGE ONE THOUSAND YEARS OF FULL COMMUNISM comes out.)
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docbeard posted:...we should run someone who can convincingly portray a lovable moderate puppy in 2020.
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docbeard posted:...we should run someone who can convincingly portray a lovable moderate puppy in 2020. (Not someone who actually IS one, but who can pretend to be one right up until five minutes after the oath of office when HAHAHAHA SUCKERS I'M IN CHARGE ONE THOUSAND YEARS OF FULL COMMUNISM comes out.) No we should run a firebrand that calls Trump a piece of poo poo and literally tells Wall Street bankers that he will seize 100% of their assets at the start of a RICO investigation on Jan 21st, 2021.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:note that the only person defending kerry's campaign is zegermans haha this is exactly the point I'm making - "Hey person and their policies sucked, also externalities were bad. How do we fix both?" "stop defending them! The externalities didn't exist or where actually good things!" Do you want an autographed copy of Clinton Cash for your SASS?
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:No we should run a firebrand that calls Trump a piece of poo poo and literally tells Wall Street bankers that he will seize 100% of their assets at the start of a RICO investigation on Jan 21st, 2021. this unironically
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:No we should run a firebrand that calls Trump a piece of poo poo and literally tells Wall Street bankers that he will seize 100% of their assets at the start of a RICO investigation on Jan 21st, 2021. we need to run a candidate who speaks to the working class (the 99%) about how corrupt Wall Street is and how we are gonna take their wealth and use it to pay normal Americans back for the work they've done
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You can stop us! There are dozens of us!!
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Serf posted:
that sounds like communism to me and communism is evil and godless
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:No we should run a firebrand that calls Trump a piece of poo poo and literally tells Wall Street bankers that he will seize 100% of their assets at the start of a RICO investigation on Jan 21st, 2021. Yeah pretty much. A new political language for a new time.
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Of course there will be no 2020 election after Obama's press conference today.
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