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The Rocketeer is helped by being a kid's movie at heart. The Shadow couldn't really go that route, and while everyone involved seems to be having a ball, it's not quite the lighthearted affair that Rocketeer ends up being. Phantomsuit was really closely related to the John Wesley Shipp Flashsuit. I don't think they quite understood that moulded foam looked good for TV, but not so much for film.
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Jamesman posted:Incredible Hulk was a promising movie. I really, really want them to follow up on that promise one day. Universal owns distribution on any Hulk flick for like, 20 more years so I doubt it's gonna happen in a solo film.
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FilthyImp posted:Phantomsuit was really closely related to the John Wesley Shipp Flashsuit. I don't think they quite understood that moulded foam looked good for TV, but not so much for film. See, I'd read that upon being cast, Billy Zane decided he didn't want to wear a moulded muscle-suit like the Batman movies, so he went away and trained for something like a year straight, and when he arrived on the set he'd become so muscular that they didn't need the suit, but they ended up using one anyway.
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Wheat Loaf posted:See, I'd read that upon being cast, Billy Zane decided he didn't want to wear a moulded muscle-suit like the Batman movies, so he went away and trained for something like a year straight, and when he arrived on the set he'd become so muscular that they didn't need the suit, but they ended up using one anyway.
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I realized that a lot of the Yellow Peril and some other silly stuff (why would Khan's coffin have latin on it?) was probably in the movie becuase they were trying to be true to the old comics/radio show, which had a lot of Mystical Orient stuff in it, which is also why it's part of Doctor Strange and Iron Fist, as they came out of the same traditions. So I keep seeing MEGAN FOX IS POISON IVY! But I feel like this was one of those times someone on Reddit said "it should be Megan Fox (because I masturbate a lot)" and then it filtered through the internet and became that she's been cast. Though this would probably bring in the people who keep seeing Transformers movies. I could see some WB execs going "Jared Leto is a terrible actor, but I bet we can find someone worse..." and realize she was the best choice.
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The source was Bleeding Cool so you're basically right.
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I just went and looked up the Billy Zane Phantom costume for the first time in twenty years and it's so bad you'd think they got it off a 1930s serial set
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Wheat Loaf posted:* Speaking of McKellan, his character being an ostensibly brilliant scientist who can't tell the difference between red and green feels a bit less "absent-minded professor" and more "how did you become a celebrated scientist anyway?" Fun fact: red/green colour blindness is not an indicator of intelligence.
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Megan Fox would probably make a perfectly fine Poison Ivy.
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Is there anything at all that could make poison ivy actually interesting? Maybe work in some fanatical environmentalism or something? "Sexy female villain who makes plant puns" seems fairly flimsy.
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Ireallylikeeggs posted:Is there anything at all that could make poison ivy actually interesting? Maybe work in some fanatical environmentalism or something? "Sexy female villain who makes plant puns" seems fairly flimsy. Fanatical environmentalism is... already her character, though?
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SlimGoodbody posted:Fanatical environmentalism is... already her character, though? Forgive them, they've not read anything since the early 70s.
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Chaos Hippy posted:Fun fact: red/green colour blindness is not an indicator of intelligence. Thing is, while I imagine that's what the script was aiming for, it's not the impression I got from the scene. It honestly came off more like he just didn't know what red and green were rather than him being colour blind. (Yes, I appreciate that I'm the one being stupid here.)
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Another observation about the Shadow is that it ends really abruptly. Shiwan Khan gets taken out, then it cuts to Lamont kissing Margo, then he walks off and she says, "How will you know where to find me?" and he's like, "I'll know," and walks round a corner and disappears. Compare with The Rocketeer, where Cliff thwarts the Nazis, gets Jenny and is given a brand new plane by Howard Hughes and that's all it really needs to end effectively. Or how Dick Tracy ends with Tracy getting a message on his wrist radio calling him away to another crime. Or how Darkman ends with Liam Neeson changing his face to Bruce Campbell and disappearing into a crowd as Frances McDormand casts about for him. Those aren't all perfect but they all work a lot better. I wonder if they wanted to make a sequel to this. Looking at the numbers on Wikipedia, the budget for this movie was around $40 million and it only made $48 million, which probably didn't recoup the expenditure on marketing (I imagine this movie must have been marketed heavily just because of how much Batman '89 and Dick Tracy were).
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Ireallylikeeggs posted:Is there anything at all that could make poison ivy actually interesting? Maybe work in some fanatical environmentalism or something? "Sexy female villain who makes plant puns" seems fairly flimsy. Interesting to who? She'll probably make out with Harley, which I guess is plenty interesting to Suicide Squad's audience.
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Ireallylikeeggs posted:Is there anything at all that could make poison ivy actually interesting? Work in some pathos and body horror. The best Ivy story, in my opinion, is the cartoon where she genuinely wants to settle down, go straight, and start a family, but her solution to that is to create plant clones that start out as her children, quickly age to adulthood to pose as her husband, then devolve into mindless plant monstrosities before dissolving into a puddle of goo.
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Poison Ivy is a great character nowadays: The ultimate vegan; Sexy, scantily-clad; Eco-warrior anarchist; Femme fatale. If you can't use that character to ruffle some feathers and make a compelling anti-hero/villain then stop making movies and go be an accountant or something.
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Aphrodite posted:Interesting to who?
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I've read from sources other than Bleeding Cool Harley and Ivy will be presented as a couple in some way. Hopefully it isn't just in a male gaze way.
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Lobok posted:Poison Ivy is a great character nowadays: The ultimate vegan; Sexy, scantily-clad; Eco-warrior anarchist; Femme fatale. You would think, given her affinity for plants, she would go in the other direction.
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I'm not sure she needs to eat anything. I know there's a scene of her eating a salad in the animated series, but you could just as easily say she photosynthesizes energy.
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Really if you think about it she should eat only meat
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AbsolutelySane posted:You would think, given her affinity for plants, she would go in the other direction. Yeah, like she would only eat meat? I wasn't thinking vegan in terms of eating but rather just her level of protection for plants. Feels weird to consider her as a supremo carnivore, though, hm. Somewhere along the chain plants are being eaten though, so maybe purple death ray is right about her not eating anything.
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She eats only eggs and fish. She smells awful. Lobok posted:Somewhere along the chain plants are being eaten though, so maybe purple death ray is right about her not eating anything. Yeah but that just makes it revenge for the plant eating.
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Alternately: She can communicate with plants, so maybe she just like asks them for a few leaves or an apple. It's a purely consensual exchange.
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Lil'Gotham had Ivy chowing down on spaghetti during the salad portion of a bat villain's holiday dinner, with Catwoman specifically commenting on on how she doesn't eat salad.
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purple death ray posted:Alternately: She can communicate with plants, so maybe she just like asks them for a few leaves or an apple. It's a purely consensual exchange. Given the power dynamic between her and the plants I don't think that can ever be truly consensual.
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You don't kill plants to eat vegetables and fruit, they're literally meant to be eaten.
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Rhyno posted:Hulk vs the military in Incredible Hulk was pretty great and the way they made Blonksy move made me really hopeful for the forthcoming Captain America film we all knew was happening. Just rewatched the clip. Its pretty great. But I still like Ang Lee's better, and it might be one of my fav comic book movies period. Its so loving weird. EDIT: No love for the dialogue in The Shadow? There's some stellar lines in there. Shageletic fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Sgt. Politeness posted:You don't kill plants to eat vegetables and fruit, they're literally meant to be eaten. For us normies, yeah, but she seems like the kind of person who would liken eating an orange to devouring a friend's child.
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Shageletic posted:EDIT: No love for the dialogue in The Shadow? It wasn't very memorable to me on that front but perhaps that's just me. 
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Lobok posted:For us normies, yeah, but she seems like the kind of person who would liken eating an orange to devouring a friend's child. more like their ovaries
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Wheat Loaf posted:It wasn't very memorable to me on that front but perhaps that's just me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCbGBDy6Tbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KMRSnm3I5k
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The Shadow was such a loving weird movie.Aphrodite posted:Ed Norton is garbage. You're garbge >:O
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Shageletic posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCbGBDy6Tbo Well, the first one didn't make a tremendous impression on me but in the second one, I was too distracted by Penelope Ann Miller groping herself in her negligee to remember the particular dialogue of the scene. Ahem. Again, it's not bad or anything but I think saying the dialogue is "stellar" might be over-egging it a wee bit.
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twistedmentat posted:I've read from sources other than Bleeding Cool Harley and Ivy will be presented as a couple in some way. Hopefully it isn't just in a male gaze way. "LGBT" Harley is never going to work, in my opinion. She's Harley. She's the Joker's girlfriend. That's her character, and I've never seen a depiction of Harley that isn't based around the Joker - and we already have DCU Harley established solidly in that regard. This is most likely going to be embarrassing. DC's best shot if they wanted to do a headliner LGBT character was Wonder Woman, and they blew that.
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How hard is it to understand that when Harley gets dumped by the Joker, via getting strapped to a rocket, she realizes that the Joker isn't all that great, and forms a relationship with Ivy? That is her character arc in the medium she was created in, by the creators that made her. I'm pretty sure the comics did something similar. Being subservient to Joker is just the beginning of her arc, and probably counts for only a small percentage of her appearences. I don't blame people for not knowing about her character development, but I've seen several people act like that she's been Joker's girlfriend all this time. I blame the Arkham games.
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Because two women who are rarely not half-or-more naked even by comic book standards and one of whom is usually themed as having supernatural powers of seduction don't get the benefit of the doubt from me.
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Open Marriage Night posted:How hard is it to understand that when Harley gets dumped by the Joker, via getting strapped to a rocket, she realizes that the Joker isn't all that great, and forms a relationship with Ivy? That is her character arc in the medium she was created in, by the creators that made her. I'm pretty sure the comics did something similar. Mostly because her only appearance before this movie is going to be the one where Joker went through a ton of effort to get her back.
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