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Barudak posted:Despite the name, do not watch the show. While there is a character who lives the space harem merchant dream, the shows authors do not understand at a fundamental level what a coup is or how writing a story works. Must have been written by my high school history teacher, who pronounced "coup d'etat" as "coop dee ett".
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Anime is good.
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Dec 16, 2016 19:36
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Leperflesh posted:Secret hint: everyone's blood has got iron in it, it wouldn't work without it Nah some anime is good and is improved by being itself anime sometimes anime's inherent weirdness is what is good about an anime I generally don't like anime though anime
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Dec 16, 2016 19:40
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Moola posted:Nah some Games Workshop is good and is improved by being itself GW
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Dec 16, 2016 19:46
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Can we go back to how if I wanna buy these I have to pay loving $215????? https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Sisters-of-Battle-Seraphim-Squad
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Dec 16, 2016 19:48
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Why would any australian still want to buy anything from GW? Also don't buy those, they're bad.
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potentiallycool posted:Can we go back to how if I wanna buy these I have to pay loving $215????? I don't understand why people in Australia or New Zealand play Games Workshop games
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Dec 16, 2016 19:51
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TheChirurgeon posted:I don't understand why people play Games Workshop games Corrected you there buddy.
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Leperflesh posted:Also, anime is bad, much like how games workshop is bad. Like GW, you can maybe point to one or two things where you can say "hey this is not so bad, in fact it's sort of cool and good" but doing so does not suddenly make GW not a poo poo company. Similarly, anime is still poo poo medium. Actually the country that ink was put on paper (or whatever medium) has basically no relevance to the quality of the work. Totoro is great, and so is Toy Story. Overfiend is gross and so is Sword of Truth. Also if you don't want to start things on the thread maybe don't start things on the thread?
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I looked into Flames of War. Cheap tanks, you can buy tanks to play the tank game before buying more stuff to play the full game, there's a FoW night at my lgs, it looked pretty good. But then I talked to some FoW people online and apparently they want you to paint the tanks in historically accurate colors, and if I rolled up with tanks painted like Chaos cultists or Advance Wars, the serious FoW players would be upset.
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Dec 16, 2016 20:11
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Anyone who takes historical games super seriously is suspect imo
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Dec 16, 2016 20:12
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Leperflesh posted:anime is bad. It's actually good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7WgNRmtWrw Guy Goodbody fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Dec 16, 2016 20:13
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Leperflesh posted:Secret hint: everyone's blood has got iron in it, it wouldn't work without it while I'm opposed to gundam chat in general I don't think you get to pick a fight about anime and then demand that people who disagree with you do so elsewhere anyway mediums are not like organisations so this is not a very compelling argument!
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Dec 16, 2016 20:15
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Depends if they show up in period authentic uniform.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I looked into Flames of War. Cheap tanks, you can buy tanks to play the tank game before buying more stuff to play the full game, there's a FoW night at my lgs, it looked pretty good. Speaking as someone who's looking to get into FoW myself (sadly nobody plays it here - although Team Yankee is kicking off) I can say with complete accuracy that I would cool with that as long as you're not painting them covered with dongs. Frankly it's preferable to somebody who is really keen that their SS Panzer Division is 100% accurate for the summer of 1944. I'm enough of a dork to try and get the markings right for my tanks, but I'm not going to begrudge someone else having fun. Disregard grogs, play games. Anyone in Flames of War getting snippy over historical accuracy should STFU as long as Soviets are basically 'Enemy at the Gates: The Army'.
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What if all mediums are actually good, and it is us that is terrible? 
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Dec 16, 2016 20:19
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I wanted to do a skirmish game out of 40k like Dawn of War 2 so you'd have a hero and probably like 20 models at most on the table, and every army had cool gimmicks like IG getting points from their officers infinity style to spend on cool poo poo or Orks getting a single superpower turn to spend on doing max damage Then I found stuff like Frostgrave and Deadzone I might go back to it though if anyone's interested
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Ashcans posted:What if all mediums are actually good, and it is us that is terrible? Like people, all Anime has the capacity for both good and bad. Also like people, most Anime is bad. But that does not mean we should ignore or dismiss the good. GW, however, is Bad. On this, there is consensus. The Deleter posted:I wanted to do a skirmish game out of 40k like Dawn of War 2 so you'd have a hero and probably like 20 models at most on the table, and every army had cool gimmicks like IG getting points from their officers infinity style to spend on cool poo poo or Orks getting a single superpower turn to spend on doing max damage Or just use Deadzone with 40k minis.
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Meanwhile, in a discussion over the new Wyrd game The Other Side:Guy1 posted:I like the look of the Abyssinals the best...not so sure about another game either. I'm all about the AoS. Guy2 posted:AoS isn't good enough to wipe The Other Side's rear end. Besides, if you want to compare it to a mediocre GW product, TOS is more like 40k. Except it's good. Guy1 posted:It's subjective. I know both of these people irl and watching the first guy continue to defend and play AoS is depressing as poo poo because he's a legitimately fun person to play games with 
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Yvonmukluk posted:Or just use Deadzone with 40k minis. I'm gonna buy some Asterians because gently caress giving GW money. Gonna paint em like Iron Man. Slimnoid posted:Meanwhile, in a discussion over the new Wyrd game The Other Side: Condolences. I kinda want to get into The Other Side because removing half of the hobby side of it is really appealing to me but getting other people to play is suspect. Also dropping $100 at this stage isn't so great. The Deleter fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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The Deleter posted:Anyone who takes historical games super seriously is suspect imo The trick to it is always being aware you're playing toy soldiers with more dice. That and bashing the fash.
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spectralent posted:Actually the country that ink was put on paper (or whatever medium) has basically no relevance to the quality of the work. Totoro is great, and so is Toy Story. Overfiend is gross and so is Sword of Truth. Yeah I didn't say all art from Japan was bad, man. I don't think something has to be from Japan to be anime, nor is all art from Japan anime. Further, I disagree that anime is its own medium. I see it as a specific style of cartoons, or animated film. And while I agree that a medium cannot, by itself, be judged good or bad*, I do think it is valid to sweepingly denigrate a style, especially if that style is generally really bad. Are there exceptions? Of course there are. I've seen several Studio Ghibli works, and generally enjoyed them (although I still had issues with specific aspects of the anime style applied to them, such as the tendency to re-use the same foreground image with absolutely no movement for dozens of frames, sometimes lasting multiple seconds). In other words, I enjoyed them despite the anime style, and not because of the anime style: they had good story writing and character development and themes. Similarly, a reasonable person has to admit that there are exceptions to the general "GW is bad" rule. There are specific models that are cool and good, and there have even been specific games that manage to be pretty good (epic: armageddon is a legit good game) despite being burdened by much of the usual GW crap (terrible rules presentation, erratic model support, etc.) But GW and anime are bad. If we can make that sweeping generalization about GW, then why not make it about anime, too? Or anything else? Can't we simultaneously acknowledge that we're being a little silly and obsessing a bit over something that is basically unimportant in the grand scheme of things, and also kind of enjoy calling out stuff as bad? And, yeah, I'm totally picking fights in this thread even though I specifically didn't want tons of anime chat in this thread. I'm sorry, but only a very little bit sorry, because for me anime (like GW) is usually just something I can go "LOL it's bad" but sometimes I get a compulsion to go off on a ill-considered rant about it. Maybe it's partly because other people keep bringing up anime, and instead of just being a one-note "hey let's not talk about that" poster, I can instead explain a little better about why I think anime is bad. Finally, I want to fully acknowledge that not only is Sword of Truth bad, but fantasy novels in general are pretty bad. Sword of Truth might be among the worst to ever gain significant popularity (right up there with Gor), but most of the badness in fantasy novels that aren't about toture and rape and rapetorture like SoT comes down to... derivative, cliche'd themes, poor pacing, poor characterization, dumb plots, lots of really terrible ideas about what people are actually like, and incessant pandering to the worst aspects of the fanbase. Just like how probably most anime isn't about tentacle rape, but that doesn't excuse the rest of it. Yvonmukluk posted:Like people, all Anime has the capacity for both good and bad. Also like people, most Anime is bad. But that does not mean we should ignore or dismiss the good. There isn't. GW is a very successful and profitable company! The only reason there's consensus in this thread, is because this is explicitly the GW Is Bad thread, and people who come in here trying to argue that GW is actually Good, get quickly piled on (with lots of pretty good arguments for why GW is actually bad). If there was a specifically Anime Is Bad thread, I imagine it might go along similar lines. Ashcans posted:What if all mediums are actually good, and it is us that is terrible? Again I think anime is more of a style than a medium, but regardless, it is definitely us that is terrible. I mean look at me, I just spent like 15 minutes of my life typing up this terrible post. What is wrong with me. *OK, if your medium is like, sculptures made of the dismembered body parts of children, that's probably pretty universally bad, but you know what I mean.
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Leperflesh posted:If we can make that sweeping generalization about GW, then why not make it about anime, too? Because GW is a single company. "Anime" is all cartoons made by any of the 130 million people living in Japan
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here, ill settle this right now anime... is bad
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Guy Goodbody posted:Because GW is a single company. "Anime" is all cartoons made by any of the 130 million people living in Japan Uhh, ok come on, not all 130 million people living in Japan make anime, and if you solely define "anime" as literally any cartoon made in Japan, that's a pretty useless definition. Surely anime is a specific style of cartoon.
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Leperflesh posted:Surely anime is a specific style of cartoon. yes, the style is "bad"
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spectralent posted:Everyone else plays it What game's "TY"?
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anti_strunt posted:What game's "TY"? Team Yankee
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Cat Face Joe posted:yes, the style is "bad" Wikipedia paraphrases Miyazaki (and if anyone knows things about anime, it'd have to be him, right?) quote:The word anime has also been criticised, e.g. in 1987, when Hayao Miyazaki stated that he despised the truncated word anime because to him it represented the desolation of the Japanese animation industry. He equated the desolation with animators lacking motivation and mass-produced, overly expressive products which rely on fixed iconography for facial expressions and protracted and exaggerated action scenes but lack depth and sophistication because they do not attempt to convey emotion or thought. So I guess you could say, I'm with Miyazaki.
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I was going to contest stuff but we might be having a definition error:Leperflesh posted:Uhh, ok come on, not all 130 million people living in Japan make anime, and if you solely define "anime" as literally any cartoon made in Japan, that's a pretty useless definition. No anime's just cartoons made in Japan. What cartoons made in Japan are you excluding? EDIT: Miyazaki is a very talented man but also has grumpy old man syndrome*. *which he's slightly more justified in than the average get-off-my-lawn guy because he's also had to deal with people trying to draw his underaged heroines in porn for like fifty years, but still. anti_strunt posted:What game's "TY"? Team Yankee, WW3 cold-war-gone-hot in the 1980s. It's basically a slightly sped-up FoW where everyone's been doused in gasoline given how insane all your losses are (period accurate!).
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Leperflesh posted:lack depth and sophistication because they do not attempt to convey emotion or thought. Much like your posting. Yeah okay that was cheap but this thread is garbage Can we talk about how 40K has enormous profiles for everything because goddamn it I have a small attention span if you can't convey info to me fast then idgaf The Deleter fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Leperflesh posted:Uhh, ok come on, not all 130 million people living in Japan make anime, and if you solely define "anime" as literally any cartoon made in Japan, that's a pretty useless definition. "Anime" is just a Japanisation of "animation" (possible of the french version of the term, it's not clear), so yeah, it really does just mean "Japanese animated cartoons". In modern usage it's more "any specifically Japanese style of animation", so that someone drawing western style cartoons in Japan isn't necessarily drawing anime and vice-versa, but that's the extent of it. Also no-one said anything that could be reasonably construed as "everyone in japan makes anime", don't be dense
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Leperflesh posted:Wikipedia paraphrases Miyazaki (and if anyone knows things about anime, it'd have to be him, right?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIjjm9hgQMY
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Anime is the one medium to regularly bring together the level of writing of superhero comics with the sizzling direction of daytime soaps.
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Leperflesh posted:Uhh, ok come on, not all 130 million people living in Japan make anime, and if you solely define "anime" as literally any cartoon made in Japan, that's a pretty useless definition. Anime is cartoons made in Japan. Yeah, it's a pretty broad word. That's why blanket statements like "anime is bad" are dumb.
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The Deleter posted:Much like your posting. What kind of profile? Like, the size of models? Because yeah that's insane lately. How loving big is horn-nipple-man?
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Wait wait, I think we need to get this definition straight. If Anime is just cartoons drawn in Japan, does that mean animation developed in the US or performed in South Korea (like Avatar) is not Anime? Does it mean that animation done in Japan that mimics alterative styles is still anime? Is this restricted to medium? Are computer-generated shows that bear a stylistic resemblance to anime but are not actually animated in Japan anime? Is the Ghost in the Shell movie anime?
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Ashcans posted:Wait wait, I think we need to get this definition straight. If Anime is just cartoons drawn in Japan, does that mean animation developed in the US or performed in South Korea (like Avatar) is not Anime? Does it mean that animation done in Japan that mimics alterative styles is still anime? Is this restricted to medium? Are computer-generated shows that bear a stylistic resemblance to anime but are not actually animated in Japan anime? I'm here for you dude Jeb Bush 2012 posted:"Anime" is just a Japanisation of "animation" (possible of the french version of the term, it's not clear), so yeah, it really does just mean "Japanese animated cartoons". In modern usage it's more "any specifically Japanese style of animation", so that someone drawing western style cartoons in Japan isn't necessarily drawing anime and vice-versa, but that's the extent of it.
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True but when you say "anime style" most Americans who care to know what anime si will generally have the same thing come to mind. That's what people mean when they say "Anime". In the same way that when people talk about visual novels being bad, they don't mean the whole concept of electronic books with pictures. They mean that particular terrible boring pseudo porn that floods the genre.
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