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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Tarkin didn't look perfect but I'm glad they just said "gently caress it here's how he looks!" instead of always having him behind a fish tank "how do you like my mood lighting Director Krennic?"
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What's up with JEJ's voice acting? It felt way off.
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Zeris posted:What's up with JEJ's voice acting? It felt way off. He's like 90 so thats probably it.
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Dec 16, 2016 17:28
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It didn't sound as deep and low pitched, I couldn't tell if it was the dialogue or just my memory lying to me. But it's just a little bit off, like it was in Rebels.
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Dec 16, 2016 17:32
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Ape Agitator posted:It was pretty fun but it's main failings was the plotting of the final act. It's needlessly complicated and completely inorganic and artificial to just give people something to do. And large parts of it were also on their face redundant. There was an entirely too long exposition scene just to detail subsection U of part 3 of the plan (clause 5) which had the goal of doing the thing that people already were trying to do and didn't need to be told it needed to be done. I really long for the rather straightforward stuff for all of the plans in essentially all of the other Star Wars movies. This one definitely looked at Return of the Jedi and said "Needs more steps". Outside of the last act plotting issues, there's one location too many as well (which is a Star Wars problem since TPM I guess). I think you attempting to give writing critique to what was one of the main things that Tony Gilroy was brought back in to rewrite is... ridiculous. The extra steps felt very organic, because it felt not like another drat Jedi scene. It was a mutual team effort. Not one person was special, and they all needed to do their different parts. It also helped make it feel like a war movie. Frantic, desperate. The "what do we need to do now?"
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Two things would have been satisfying: 1. Krennic having any modicum of success at any point. Seriously, he just gets shot, blown up, usurped, and probably c ucked at every turn. 2. If Jyn had plugged him in the gut instead of Guy Man. Maybe a little symmetry to her mom's cheap shot? The ol' blaster hidden behind a handful of data doodads?
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Dec 16, 2016 17:37
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Am I the only one that expected the Blind Master to suddenly use The Force during the big climax to turn on the communications switch? Like...the whole drat movie, going on and on about The Force, Jedi, crystals, etc...and no payoff for it.
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Dec 16, 2016 17:49
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I really appreciate that Jyn and Cassian didn't kiss at the end. It never felt like they tried to shoehorn a relationship in, and the embrace and hand holding at the end is just something two people who are about to die might do to comfort each other. There was a point near the end where they were just looking into each other's eyes (maybe after Cassian shot Krennic?) and I kept thinking "Please don't kiss please don't kiss please don't kiss" and they didn't. Jyn barely holding herself together watching her father's hologram was very emotionally powerful as well. The impression you got from earlier scenes is that she wanted nothing to do with her father, and this scene shows that either she was lying to everyone else, to herself, or both and seeing him talk directly to her made that tough exterior crack. EDIT: ^^^ I was kind of hoping for him to break his staff to reveal a lightsaber that he would use to deflect any blaster shots. I can appreciate that he didn't; from the trailers I thought he was just an old forgotten Jedi but maybe he was just an apprentice who had little formal training?
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DrBouvenstein posted:Am I the only one that expected the Blind Master to suddenly use The Force during the big climax to turn on the communications switch? He didn't use Force Push-The-Button, but like... he did literally use the force to turn on the switch. The entire army was shooting at him and missing. He was also chanting "I'm using the force right the gently caress NOW!!!" over and over?
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Dec 16, 2016 17:54
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Did they ever explain the reasoning behind the reshoots? Something about the parts of the movie that are a little rough has me wondering if Jyn was originally meant to be one of the extremists, but Disney decided not to touch that given how much terrorism went down this year.
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Dec 16, 2016 17:55
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He's not a Jedi. He believes in the force, believes it surrounds him, but he can't focus it to do physical things like the Jedi.
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Moon Atari posted:Did they ever explain the reasoning behind the reshoots? Something about the parts of the movie that are a little rough has me wondering if Jyn was originally meant to be one of the extremists, but Disney decided not to touch that given how much terrorism went down this year. Yeah I feel like she was meant to be an extremist or part of the rebel alliance at one point. The first trailer, Mon Mothma specifically tells her that she has a mission for her.
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Dec 16, 2016 18:06
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I expected a harmless and dramatic action flick. I didn't expect my favorite movie in the franchise to date. This makes the stakes so much higher for ANH by showing the whole "Empire is running around with a Goddamn Death Laser. loving hell~~!!!!" angle from the point of view of commoners and the Yavin 4 leadership instead of just the Destined Main Characters and their Destined Journey. Regular people died, massive space battles were fought, and everything was put on the line to make sure Leia got that disc. The best additions to a franchise are those that make the other movies better by association. This movie feels very essential and important, like the original trilogy now has 4 movies. Sometimes VII didn't even feel like that, and that was its job.
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Dec 16, 2016 18:18
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:He's not a Jedi. He believes in the force, believes it surrounds him, but he can't focus it to do physical things like the Jedi. He has pretty loving good aim for a blind dude, so I'd say he can focus it to do physical things.
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Dec 16, 2016 18:57
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The Cameo posted:Michael Giacchino had four and a half weeks to write the score for this since he was a last-minute replacement for Alexandre Desplat, who was originally scoring the film and had become unavailable to alter/write new cues due to the reshoots creating a scheduling conflict. Are you loving kidding me? Movie was a solid 5/10. Music was a letdown, dialogue was terrible, and the Tarkin and Leia cgi was a joke.
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Dec 16, 2016 19:30
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reagan posted:Are you loving kidding me? This is basically where I'm at with it too. It just didnt do much for me after the first viewing. The Vader scene is incredible and that alone was enough to make it a cool experience overall. Beyond that, count me in the minority who thought it was pretty drat boring and inconsequential until you're dropped off at the fireworks factory in act 3.
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Dec 16, 2016 19:47
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sigmachiev posted:This is basically where I'm at with it too. It just didnt do much for me after the first viewing. The Vader scene is incredible and that alone was enough to make it a cool experience overall. Beyond that, count me in the minority who thought it was pretty drat boring and inconsequential until you're dropped off at the fireworks factory in act 3. I think acts 1, and 2 are the best personally. Act 3 is kind of just a dumb action movie, but acts 1 and 2 both deal with the characters, their growth and failings in more interesting and engaging ways and had much better cinematography..
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Dec 16, 2016 19:52
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The characters all sucked hot rear end tho
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reagan posted:Are you loving kidding me? Agreed. This was serviceable to bad. Why did they half bake an action movie when they would have been better served doing Star Wars Oceans 11? Like seriously what happened to this movie--there is a tonally and structurally different film depicted in this trailer. And it's not just "lol trailer" stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg Waffles Inc. fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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I thought it was cool, Staff Husband and Gun Husband were good
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Trump posted:I guess someone in Disney is happy that people believed the damage control around the reshoots. Thanks for the flippancy, but while there were clearly reshoots (The last five minutes feels like a clear reshoot, and I suspect the space battle is part of it as well), you're still not really backing anything up there. Because something was left on the cutting room floor, doesn't mean that was reshot. The scene with the Tie-Fighter at the tower wasn't in the movie, but the shot is. That was clearly cut for the trailer (Similarly, the reused shot in all the trailers of Jyn sitting by the window of the ship is also in the movie, they just CGI'd in some destruction outside). I think while people bang on about the reshoots they miss the most egregious thing, which is that Disney cut down the characters to nothing but vague "Here are my motivations".
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Ape Agitator posted:It was pretty fun but it's main failings was the plotting of the final act. It's needlessly complicated and completely inorganic and artificial to just give people something to do. And large parts of it were also on their face redundant. There was an entirely too long exposition scene just to detail subsection U of part 3 of the plan (clause 5) which had the goal of doing the thing that people already were trying to do and didn't need to be told it needed to be done. I really long for the rather straightforward stuff for all of the plans in essentially all of the other Star Wars movies. This one definitely looked at Return of the Jedi and said "Needs more steps". Outside of the last act plotting issues, there's one location too many as well (which is a Star Wars problem since TPM I guess). Given that Edwards himself talked about how the reshoots greatly increased their number of effect shots, I'm guessing a big part of that space battle at the end was added later. I have a feeling that it was all going to be ground battles, but they wanted a bigger climax, hence taking Jyn out of the action for a while.
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LionArcher posted:I think you attempting to give writing critique to what was one of the main things that Tony Gilroy was brought back in to rewrite is... ridiculous. The extra steps felt very organic, because it felt not like another drat Jedi scene. It was a mutual team effort. Not one person was special, and they all needed to do their different parts. It also helped make it feel like a war movie. Frantic, desperate. The "what do we need to do now?" Except it didn't feel like they had to do their parts. Take the story precisely as it is and say nobody but Jyn, K3, and the other guy were there. They never sent a communication to the fleet. What changes? I appreciate that they were trying to make it feel improvisational. It was headed down that path. But then it was a multi step plan to send a superfluous message. The Force Awakens' plan-less mission which eventually became "let's blow poo poo up" If half the team is undertaking a desperate and risky attempt to communicate, why write it so that there a dish on a tower? Redundant busywork.
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Yo I'm pretty sure Vader's castle is on Sullust not Mustafar.
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CelticPredator posted:Yo I'm pretty sure Vader's castle is on Sullust not Mustafar. is it? mustafar just works better in my opinion.
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CelticPredator posted:Yo I'm pretty sure Vader's castle is on Sullust not Mustafar. So when the Rebels were gathering near there Vader must have been really pissed.
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Dec 16, 2016 21:38
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Pretty sure its supposed to be Mustafar since Sullust has never been seen in any of the movies, and movie-only audiences can make the connection. Definitely wondering what the full extent of the reshots and deleted scenes were. The groundside scenes on Scarif seem to have had the most alterations; no Krennic walking through the water, no Jyn facing down a TIE, and the beach fight had some scenes missing that were in the trailers as well.
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Dec 16, 2016 21:46
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I'm seeeing all these people that are rushing out to say its the best but I didn't really see it. There definitely is a great movie somewhere in there they just failed to tease it out. Last 5 minutes owned real hard though. Loved the shout out to Star Wars Rebels though. Obstacle2 fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Dec 16, 2016 21:47
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Obstacle2 posted:Im seeeing all these people are rushing out to say its the best but I didn't really see it. There definitely is a great movie somewhere in there they just failed to tease it out. this. its good even great at points but its no where near empire. it does it job great, being a side story prequel that makes a new hope better and adding more to the universe. it felt like the OT universe and kept the same aesthetics of a new hope/empire but didn't shy away from being bleak as gently caress at the end. i liked some of the real world allusion but it didnt feel retarded or forced. plus i liked alot of the callbacks and cameos from ANH and other parts of the universe. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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CelticPredator posted:Yo I'm pretty sure Vader's castle is on Sullust not Mustafar. Official Lucasfilm continuity gremlin Pablo Hidalgo has tweeted that it's Mustafar.
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It was much better than I expected, tbh. It's a top 3 Star Wars movie for me easily. Good: - The final scene. I kept thinking, oh, THIS is when a lightsaber is showing up the way they continually tease it, but saving it for the moment where one person shows up and almost completely blows up the Alliance's final hope in like thirty seconds after thirty plus minutes of nonstop action really puts into perspective just how absolutely terrifying someone of Vader's power is. Every movie before this one took the power of Jedis and Sith kind of by granted since all the main characters and villains were presumably gonna end up in an equally matched lightsaber duel. Vader is a horrible demigod and one of him equals the strength of the entire Alliance. Never have I so viscerally been able to feel that sense of scale in the films. - The way they handled the Death Star firing. The montage of people turning it on builds up to this somber, muted blast, and instead of focusing on the shock and awe we see in A New Hope with Alderaan getting obliterated in the blink of an eye, toning down the strength of the blast and focusing on the aftermath of the blast somehow made the Death Star feel even more terrifying, like yeah it can blow up a planet, but even running at the lowest possible power it's basically as powerful as any nuclear detonation as has ever been done. Something powerful enough to explode a planet is basically beyond comprehension, but again, Rogue One lent the devastation a perspective and emotional impact it's never had before. - In general I conclude that Star Wars is clearly at its best when it's tragic and impactful. The fundamental problem with the prequel trilogy, everything else aside, is that I feel like we were supposed to care about Anakin and see things from Obi-Wan's perspective and really hurt watching him defect to the Dark Side... But he's kind of just an unrelatable douchebag. Sorry you got your legs chopped off and melted by lava, I guess? You were kind asking for it.  This film actually made me care about the plight of these characters struggling against impossible odds, and even though they ultimately succeed, it's a Pyrrhic victory of the highest order and I felt for the inevitably of all their deaths. Space war is space hell.Bad: - The awful shoehorned straight guy relationship fantasy fulfillment.  Neither character had any chemistry with eachother beyond grudging respect for 90% of the film, but suddenly she's getting all blushy when he stares at her with his bedroom eyes and it's all around gross and unbelievable. Also good: - The Straights get incinerated in atomic hellfire 
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How bad is the pandering to China?
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Philip Rivers posted:
I never felt like there was a romance of any kind. Don't people (in real life) like hug and poo poo when they're about to die? Like they find strangers in an embrace in collapsed buildings? I reeeally didn't feel like there was some kind of militant heterosexuality going on between Jyn and Guyman
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I think they forgot to put characters in this movie.
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since there seems to be no consensus, and only speculation on what people "feel" to be the reshoots, I guess that means the reshoots blended in just fine
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Saw it, liked it for the the most part but it's not great. Film dragged its feet in places and its not well written, but the action overall was good and Vader's scene as the end was aces. That being said, my god Vader's "Don't CHOKE on your responsibilities" (wording may be wrong) while choking that guy may have been the worst line in all of Star Wars. For a brief moment it turned Vader into a Disney/Marvel character instead of a Star Wars character.
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:why is everyone dies even a spoiler? seems necessary to explain why the new characters aren't in other movies lol There are like ten dozen ways these characters could not be in the other movies without having to die. I mean death is entirely an answer but "they are having adventures somewhere else" is pretty viable too. That said being called Rogue One kinda soldifies it considering Rogue one in later films.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I never felt like there was a romance of any kind. Don't people (in real life) like hug and poo poo when they're about to die? Like they find strangers in an embrace in collapsed buildings? It's heavily implied they kiss in the elevator. Mokelumne Trekka posted:since there seems to be no consensus, and only speculation on what people "feel" to be the reshoots, I guess that means the reshoots blended in just fine If the reshoots were for the original cut being too dark then they made the right choice, the movie would have been too dark if they took it much further.
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