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Drunk & Ugly
Feb 10, 2003

GIMME GIMME GIMME, DON'T ASK WHAT FOR

Glenn Quebec posted:

Arma has that in spades, as well as lovely military chatter from the AI which doesn't help. "Number 3, opfor, 98 degrees west, machine gunner."

You turn and it's an arid scrublands for miles. Then you get shot a die.

thats basically the game i wa s playing. Must be the same company but this was like over a decade ago i think.

Speaking of which Ill have you all know I played Battlefield and red china will destroy us with superior or equivalent weaponry and big helicopters that turn in circles so dont try

Drunk & Ugly fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Dec 16, 2016

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Heer98
Apr 10, 2009
Operation Flashpoint! The first game made by the people who make Arma. That game had a huge modding community, you could fill a bunch of hard drives with all the addons and fully voiced, scripted extra campaigns people made.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Jose posted:

nothing is going to beat abu hajaars incompetence. does feature ISIS fighters being killed this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jPTrS-7d14

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler
Looks like the CCP is doing a bit more propping up of the Yuan since it hit an 8 year low.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/15/china-yuan-weakness-prompts-support-measures.html

quote:

The People's Bank of China Friday set the mid-point rate for the yuan at the lowest level in eight-and-a-half years as heavy capital outflows and a hawkish Federal Reserve raise currency pressures in the world's second-largest economy that the government says are manageable.

I'm starting to see a trend with "Chinese investments".

-investors go to other markets in SE Asia
-Chinese officials and upper class send their money abroad
-the CCP has to invest more of their funds to make up the difference in private investment

There has got to be a breaking point, but for the time being they seem to be able to compensate.

Blistex fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Dec 16, 2016

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012



How to lose a trillion dollars in two years.

winnydpu
May 3, 2007
Sugartime Jones
BBC reports that the Chinese have sized a US research vessel in the South China sea, but I don't see any other reports of it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38347221

Lazer Monkey
Jan 15, 2005

Lol. like they would return it.

C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



winnydpu posted:

BBC reports that the Chinese have sized a US research vessel in the South China sea, but I don't see any other reports of it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38347221

Important to note that this was a drone that just checks salinity and was basically a "nananana we got your toy!" thing the neighbor bully does, only the bad thing here is the kid they picked on happens to have a world renowned Olympic fighters as his parents, and the bully kid's dad is a low tier semi-pro wrestler that boasts about their career and skills too much. For a second I thought they might have stopped their autistic screeching and actually boarded and took over a US research ship in international waters which would have been way more messy but nope!

They'll either use it for reverse engineering or give it back after a half-assed apology by the crew that doesn't actually even say the South China Sea belongs to the PRC, seems par for the course since they're hunting for Uncle Xi's face to be restored after being humiliated by Trump just saying Taiwan exists.

winnydpu
May 3, 2007
Sugartime Jones

C-SPAN Caller posted:

Important to note that this was a drone that just checks salinity

Of course they updated the story to say that about 5 minutes after I posted. If their ship was following the US one for a while, this was probably a deliberate provocation as opposed to a junior officer getting ambitious.

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

Let us English posted:

Not China related, but this is my favorite story about war games and military simulations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002


The US sets up a massive wargame simulation centered around a potential Iranian war in order to test out a bunch of new tech. The opfor general opts to use WWII level tech instead and manages to launch a surprise attack on the US Navy "killing 20,000" soldiers and ending the war in a single day. The military then decides that this wasn't fair and resets the simulation and forces the opfor general to follow a script so that the good guys win.

This gets brought up on the internet all the time, but in the military it's an example of being a cheating rear end jerk

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

pikachu looking at?

Drunk & Ugly posted:

Speaking of which Ill have you all know I played Battlefield and red china will destroy us with superior or equivalent weaponry and big helicopters that turn in circles so dont try


AH-88 Naxi

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

ElGroucho posted:

This gets brought up on the internet all the time, but in the military it's an example of being a cheating rear end jerk

Dude should be telling tall-tales in Fort Leavenworth right now for his massive gently caress-up and hissy fit that cost US taxpayers literal tens of millions of dollars. But then again the instant it happened the USMC PR dept. was ahead of the game and spinning the story to show how this "Amazing Leader and forward-thinking general" showed the USN how lame they really were. If they tried any disciplinary actions against him the media would have run with the story, "US Navy tries to crucify Marine who showed them their inherent weaknesses".

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

Blistex posted:

Dude should be telling tall-tales in Fort Leavenworth right now for his massive gently caress-up and hissy fit that cost US taxpayers literal tens of millions of dollars. But then again the instant it happened the USMC PR dept. was ahead of the game and spinning the story to show how this "Amazing Leader and forward-thinking general" showed the USN how lame they really were. If they tried any disciplinary actions against him the media would have run with the story, "US Navy tries to crucify Marine who showed them their inherent weaknesses".

Yup. He pretended that rather than things that actually existed he was going to magic up a huge fleet of tiny speedboats equipped with rather large, long range anti-shipping missiles (like, missiles of a type far too big to actually put on speedboats) who were simulated to have all been hidden by pretending to be civilian traffic. He then had no electronic communications, instead pretending to use motorcycle couriers to run all of his messages and signaling boats at sea with lights. These simulated motorcycle messengers of course gave all of his simulated units perfect and up to date intelligence to allow him to launch a massive RADAR guided missile strike on a bunch of ships without even lighting up the guidance RADARs to get firing solutions for the missiles.

Keep in mind the whole point of the operation was to get ships and troops out there for training - so in the case of the impossible to detect communications, ships, and oddly RADAR-less RADAR guided missiles that "sunk" everyone out of the blue he kinda sorta wasted everybody's loving time and money. It would be the equivalent of practicing a beach landing and having the guy running the red team walk out on the beach, wave his arms, and say "You're all dead! My 100 super stealth space battleships just nuked the whole beach from orbit!!!"

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
There's really only one thing people need to know about military stories:

Everybody lies most of the time, except for Marines... they lie all of the time.

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

Haier posted:

I don't know about other cities, but lately on the Shenzhen Metro they've been playing this dramatic video on loop about Tencent E-sports teams. The narrative is trying to romanticize being a giant nerd, showing these pale scrawny/fat guys in cargo shorts standing at winners podiums and traveling to all of these exotic locations to sit inside a dark room, with shots of them looking off into the distance like they are contemplating more than that next bowl of instant noodles during a 16-hour click-fest in a Counter Strike knock-off.

Crossfire isn't just a Counter-Strike knockoff, I'm pretty sure it directly steals the assets from CS.
Chinese innovation.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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it must be really irritating to be in China and know you're using an inferior product basically all the time

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


Fojar38 posted:

it must be really irritating to be in China and know you're using an inferior product basically all the time

This. I'm the type of person to feel suspicious when I buy store brand instead of name brand to save a buck or two, living in a country that is basically the dollar store experience theme park would drive me up the loving walls.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Warbadger posted:

Yup. He pretended that rather than things that actually existed he was going to magic up a huge fleet of tiny speedboats equipped with rather large, long range anti-shipping missiles (like, missiles of a type far too big to actually put on speedboats) who were simulated to have all been hidden by pretending to be civilian traffic. He then had no electronic communications, instead pretending to use motorcycle couriers to run all of his messages and signaling boats at sea with lights. These simulated motorcycle messengers of course gave all of his simulated units perfect and up to date intelligence to allow him to launch a massive RADAR guided missile strike on a bunch of ships without even lighting up the guidance RADARs to get firing solutions for the missiles.

Keep in mind the whole point of the operation was to get ships and troops out there for training - so in the case of the impossible to detect communications, ships, and oddly RADAR-less RADAR guided missiles that "sunk" everyone out of the blue he kinda sorta wasted everybody's loving time and money. It would be the equivalent of practicing a beach landing and having the guy running the red team walk out on the beach, wave his arms, and say "You're all dead! My 100 super stealth space battleships just nuked the whole beach from orbit!!!"

Is there a link where I can read more about this. Most of what I can dig up (a little shallowly admittedly) is basically the USMC owned the Navy and were sore losers about it.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!

Xelkelvos posted:

Is there a link where I can read more about this. Most of what I can dig up (a little shallowly admittedly) is basically the USMC owned the Navy and were sore losers about it.

When it happened people loved the idea that someone thinking outside the box bloodied the arrogant nose of the US military, proving the plucky countries that think outside the box can defeat the evil decaying empire. But the dude flat out cheated and ruined the entire point of the training.

It really is like spending millions on a beach landing simulation and the opposing team just saying "actually the beach is lava you all died, I hid a million electric base board heaters under the sand using my secret army of trained moles and powered them with potato batteries. Oh you don't like the results? Heh poor losers can't stand your embarrassing loss." and then the media going nuts about how one weird trick defeated the entire US military and the guy who did it got in trouble for shaming them.

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

Baronjutter posted:

When it happened people loved the idea that someone thinking outside the box bloodied the arrogant nose of the US military, proving the plucky countries that think outside the box can defeat the evil decaying empire. But the dude flat out cheated and ruined the entire point of the training.

It really is like spending millions on a beach landing simulation and the opposing team just saying "actually the beach is lava you all died, I hid a million electric base board heaters under the sand using my secret army of trained moles and powered them with potato batteries. Oh you don't like the results? Heh poor losers can't stand your embarrassing loss." and then the media going nuts about how one weird trick defeated the entire US military and the guy who did it got in trouble for shaming them.

Also live action wargames are about training the crews (otherwise you could just use computers or dice or whatever), so refloating a sunk ship and continuing the exercise makes a lot more sense than having a thousand sailors sit around with thumbs in their asses for the next three days.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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When I see the millenium challenge brought up its usually by tankies trying to sell how great Iran is so it's really funny to know that not only is it all a lie but that it was a USMC PR stunt

C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



My favorite part is of taxpayer dollars on it, which is a fraction of all the waste the US military has spent on useless poo poo.

I argue the rail guns are fine though since they're useful for eventual tech that will lead to cheaper delivery of rocket payloads into space.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Fojar38 posted:

When I see the millenium challenge brought up its usually by tankies trying to sell how great Iran is so it's really funny to know that not only is it all a lie but that it was a USMC PR stunt

Almost every facet of USMC lore/culture started as a lie, and that is their single most important tradition. They are almost approaching Kim Il Sung/Mao levels of bullshit propaganda.

Another really important aspect of wargames is the joint training that happens. The USN and Japanese Navy work and train closely together, as well as the ROC navy, and I think the Philippines occasionally venture out with them as well. This is the kind of training that really helps the effectiveness of your men and the moral and effectiveness of your allies. China doesn't have anyone to lean on and learn from when it comes to naval procedure. They don't have 100+ years of modern naval experience or veterans who can tell new sailors what to expect when things go sideways. Vietnam jumped on this opportunity the first instance they had (2011), as that kind of experience is something you just can't research/buy, but have to experience.

http://magazine3.com/demo/newspapertimes/3-us-ships-in-vietnam-to-train-with-former-foe/

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



C-SPAN Caller posted:

My favorite part is of taxpayer dollars on it, which is a fraction of all the waste the US military has spent on useless poo poo.

I argue the rail guns are fine though since they're useful for eventual tech that will lead to cheaper delivery of rocket payloads into space.

Once railguns are done it'll save millions in ordnance as well. Why spend hundreds of thousands on a tomahawk when we can lob 10 lbs of aluminum and accomplish the same thing?

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
Why we let Marines have any rank above Colonel, I'll never know.

Also, I would like to mention that in the Army, we loved working with Seabees and Navy staff, they were loving great. But Marines, jesus loving christ, talk about people obssessed with their own rear end-smell

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Blistex posted:

Almost every facet of USMC lore/culture started as a lie, and that is their single most important tradition. They are almost approaching Kim Il Sung/Mao levels of bullshit propaganda.

marines aren't soldiers please don't ever call them soldiers they're different

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
They are also never ex-marines, they are former marines, because once a marine, always a marine, even if you are a 300 lb piece of poo poo that got dishonorably discharged for being a fat drunk piece of poo poo

C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



Can we get some China military corruption posts because those are funnier than GIP marine hate

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler
Mao's grandson, Mao Xinyu

Here is what google gives you when you type in "Mao's grandson".



Although his other pics are not really any more dignified.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Blistex posted:

Mao's grandson, Mao Xinyu

Here is what google gives you when you type in "Mao's grandson".



Although his other pics are not really any more dignified.



what name does he post under

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The guy in the leather jacket brings Mao along so he doesn't look fat.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
Is the idea chinesel rich-guy bod a fat baby?

Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Dec 17, 2016

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I am surprised Duterte hasn't been brought back up. We all knew it, but he has confessed to murdering at least 3 people personally. He is also a drug user, but it's ok because he gets it prescribed even if it is supper strong stuff like Fentanyl. I am not sure how long China's investment in their Special Trump is going to last.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38337746

quote:

The President of the Philippines Rodrigo Duterte has confirmed to the BBC that he shot dead three men while mayor of Davao.

He said: "I killed about three of them... I don't know how many bullets from my gun went inside their bodies. It happened and I cannot lie about it."

His statement came hours after his spokesman denied that Mr Duterte had personally killed anyone.

The recent controversy began on Wednesday at the president's palace. He told a group of business leaders gathered there: "In Davao I used to do it [kill] personally. Just to show to the guys [police] that if I can do it why can't you. "And I'd go around in Davao with a motorcycle, with a big bike around, and I would just patrol the streets, looking for trouble. I was really looking for a confrontation so I could kill."

Mr Duterte was mayor of the southern city for two decades, during which time he earned a reputation for brutally suppressing crime, and was accused of sponsoring death squads.

He first spoke about killing three men in 2015, while still mayor of Davao. He said that the men were suspected of kidnapping and rape.

Speaking to the BBC on Friday, Mr Duterte's spokesman Martin Andanar said the president's apparent admissions were simply tough talk and that he was "not a killer".

"That is the style of the president, ever since he was a mayor he would talk that way," Mr Andanar said.

"We do not take all of those statements literally. We take it seriously, but we don't take it literally."

But hours later Mr Duterte reiterated his earlier admissions. But he denied reports that he had shot people who were kneeling down with their hands tied behind their back.

'Not an addict'

Speaking to the BBC after a news conference, Mr Duterte pledged to wage his war on drug dealers "until the last day of my term".

Nearly 6,000 people are said to have been killed by police, vigilantes and mercenaries in the Philippines since Mr Duterte launched a drug war after being elected in May. Critics say he has encouraged police and vigilantes to shoot drug dealers and users on sight.

Mr Duterte denied that he was a drug addict himself, despite using the powerful pain killer Fentanyl.

"I'm not an addict," he said. "Only when it is prescribed. Addiction is only with regularity, my friend."

Mr Duterte has admitted to using the drug, saying he had migraines and issues with his spine. Mr Andanar dismissed claims that the president was suffering from the side effects of Fentanyl, which can cause confusion, anxiety and even hallucinations.

"[Mr Duterte] is healthy," Mr Andanar said. "We've seen him work till the wee hours of the morning. He is in a hurry, [and is] very impatient because our country has been dragged down to the toilet."

Baronjutter posted:

Is the idea chinesel rich-guy bod a fat baby?

Only if it is fat with money.

School Nickname
Apr 23, 2010

*fffffff-fffaaaaaaarrrtt*
:ussr:
I think it's increasingly obvious that Duterte himself is a drug dealer who is just killing the competition and users in rival areas.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008

This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!

oohhboy posted:

I am surprised Duterte hasn't been brought back up. We all knew it, but he has confessed to murdering at least 3 people personally. He is also a drug user, but it's ok because he gets it prescribed even if it is supper strong stuff like Fentanyl. I am not sure how long China's investment in their Special Trump is going to last.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-38337746



Only if it is fat with money.

lmfao that someone is doing just a little bit of fentanyl

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Blistex posted:

Mao's grandson, Mao Xinyu

Here is what google gives you when you type in "Mao's grandson".



Although his other pics are not really any more dignified.



To Mao's own credit, to be fair, he sent his eldest son, Mao Anying, off to fight (albeit in relative safety as an artillery officer) with the Red Army in WWII, and then in Korea as an aide to the Chinese commander.

Due to UN air superiority over Korea it was Chinese practice to operate at night when possible and to avoid giving away your presence in the open. Anying apparently decided that rules weren't for him. He was cooking lunch one day in a cabin and started a fire, and didn't make it through his meal before a South African bomber came by and dropped napalm on him.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Baronjutter posted:

When it happened people loved the idea that someone thinking outside the box bloodied the arrogant nose of the US military, proving the plucky countries that think outside the box can defeat the evil decaying empire. But the dude flat out cheated and ruined the entire point of the training.

haha that's rad

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I tried to find out Xinyu's citations on his checker board, but all I got was a couple of pages mocking him or were blatant propaganda that could barely fill the article as to his achievements of which there were none. After that it was all about his Grandfather. For whatever reason his first wife died in prison for political dissidents, I don't know wtf happened there.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
I'm guessing a Henry VIII style of thing.

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Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
"Hey, how was your Saturday?"
"Same poo poo, different day."
"SSDD? I hear you..."

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