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BeanBandit
Mar 15, 2001

Beanbandit?
Son of a bitch!

Maluco Marinero posted:

Dude, your entire contribution to this thread has been to target TB or posters in general. Not one substantive contribution or question beyond thread meta. Give it a rest, if you want to talk about something real, no one is stopping you except yourself it seems.

Yeah. I have issues with racists and bigots like TB. I call them out when I see them. Sorry...?

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A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010

biracial bear for uncut posted:

What in the actual gently caress?

Holy poo poo.


Negromancer (back when he was gfsincere) was literally a ferguson protestor that got bought an account here by someone, and initially posted in an extremely combative manner, resulting in him getting banned for a month. Since then, he has been a far better poster than dnd deserves but this anecdote is gonna be brought up out of context from now until the end of time whenever he disagrees with someone.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

BeanBandit posted:

It's not. The OP specifically said it's about all POC, including WOC and LGBT POC.

negrotown: for latinx issues?

I think intersectional tissue discussion where relevant to the black experience is good, but like if you're heavily invested maybe in Latinx issues or Asian issues or Native American issues or LGBT POC issues that'd be a cool new thread too :3:

Misogynoir is an excellent thread for example. Be the change you wish to see in the world!

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

BeanBandit posted:

It's not. The OP specifically said it's about all POC, including WOC and LGBT POC.

Have you read the OP? The very first line says that it's the black culture thread. Plus, y'know, it's called Negrotown. You're being wilfully obtuse here.

negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

I think nearly everyone is guilty of lovely posts in both threads (me included), but personally I think it would be nice if we could go a week without anyone telling anyone else to gently caress off who is not an obvious troll.

Like, Jesus christ, this went from a couple people having a disagreement about what it means to be black and turned into a lot of "gently caress you scum" on both sides. I think negromancer is wrong about Obama too but his own experiences probably inform his view and maybe it's worth discussing why he feels this way? What's the point of anything if the threads are just an opinion broadcasting system with very little actual back and forth discussion?

You're right. Doesn't seem to be a lot of discussion wanting to happen. Seems like a lot of "your opinion upset me but I don't have a counter so gently caress you".

BeanBandit
Mar 15, 2001

Beanbandit?
Son of a bitch!

Darth Walrus posted:

Have you read the OP? The very first line says that it's the black culture thread. Plus, y'know, it's called Negrotown. You're being wilfully obtuse here.

Yeah, I read the OP. It said it was for discussion of POC, women of color, and LGBT of color. What are you missing here, you little idiot?

negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

BeanBandit posted:

It's not. The OP specifically said it's about all POC, including WOC and LGBT POC.

Considering I'm the OP, you're wrong.

Darth Walrus posted:

It's a thread about experiences unique to black people. That doesn't mean non-black people can't post at all, it means that the specific topic of discussion is black experiences. Anti-semitism is a worthy topic of discussion, for instance, but would you barge into, say, a feminism thread and go 'hi, I'm not a woman, but I'm Jewish, so I get what it is to be an oppressed minority, so can we talk about anti-semitism now'?

This doesn't mean that other minority issues are totally undiscussable here, but they're only relevant to the topic in that they specifically intersect with black issues.

Yes...but not always.

If me and 3 black posters are discussing the merits of Tom Cruise and his acting, considering we are coming at it from a black perspective, it counts.

BeanBandit
Mar 15, 2001

Beanbandit?
Son of a bitch!

negromancer posted:

Considering I'm the OP, you're wrong

Really? So POC aren't welcome here like you said in your loving OP?

Okay, man, it's your thread!

You're kicking POC out of your thread. That says a LOT about you, buddy. Enjoy your thread.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
:byewhore: you have literally every only posted to antagonize my dude or dudette

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

BeanBandit posted:

Yeah, it's because there's a lot of loving scum in this thread from loving idiots like TB. gently caress them. We POC have a lot of poo poo to deal with, and we sure as hell don't need more of it from loving idiot goons.

No, stop it. This very post you made is you doing what you're complaining about other people doing.

I have something on-topic. I complained to hr today because I noticed that the company Christmas donation list had added the salvation army (a known discriminatory organization) but had no charities that benefited LGBT or black people.

The response I was given was "we can't ethically donate to groups that choose beneficiaries based on demographics." My suggestion that more marginalized groups will attain more benefit from the same amount of dollars was responded to with a suggestion that I was simply biased by my personal connection to those groups.

This is especially upsetting because they make the donations on behalf of employees. They're essentially telling me "we represent you unless we don't like what you think, then your money is going to bigots".

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Yeah, either you have critically bad reading comprehension, or this was pure trolling. The black posters on the forum have been handed a literal ghetto, you're trying to rules-lawyer it away from them, and you've flat-out refused to post productively every time you've been asked to do so.

The thread and its regulars aren't the problem here. You are.

EDIT: LMO made a good post.

negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

No, stop it. This very post you made is you doing what you're complaining about other people doing.

I have something on-topic. I complained to hr today because I noticed that the company Christmas donation list had added the salvation army (a known discriminatory organization) but had no charities that benefited LGBT or black people.

The response I was given was "we can't ethically donate to groups that choose beneficiaries based on demographics." My suggestion that more marginalized groups will attain more benefit from the same amount of dollars was responded to with a suggestion that I was simply biased by my personal connection to those groups.

This is especially upsetting because they make the donations on behalf of employees. They're essentially telling me "we represent you unless we don't like what you think, then your money is going to bigots".

BUT THATS EXACTLY WHAT THE SALVATION ARMY DOES IF THE SALVATION ARMY LITERALLY EXCLUDES BASED ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND RACE.

Like, how did they say that right behind what you said? Like, holy poo poo.

Meanwhile, since our company is owned by an Indian dude and like 65% of the company is in India, there's a charity we donate to that basically teaches Indian kids in India programming.

A noble cause, to be sure, but when I brought up donating to YearUp, a program that does the same thing for 18-24 year olds in poor neighborhoods targeting black and brown kids, i got met with "well they don't have it as bad because they live in America, they don't really need help".

Swear to Christ almost quit my job yesterday.

Thank god im being targeted for a Senior Director position at a Fortune 50 company, because...

But y'all should really donate to YearUp.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer

negromancer posted:

BUT THATS EXACTLY WHAT THE SALVATION ARMY DOES IF THE SALVATION ARMY LITERALLY EXCLUDES BASED ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND RACE.

Like, how did they say that right behind what you said? Like, holy poo poo.

Meanwhile, since our company is owned by an Indian dude and like 65% of the company is in India, there's a charity we donate to that basically teaches Indian kids in India programming.

A noble cause, to be sure, but when I brought up donating to YearUp, a program that does the same thing for 18-24 year olds in poor neighborhoods targeting black and brown kids, i got met with "well they don't have it as bad because they live in America, they don't really need help".

Swear to Christ almost quit my job yesterday.

Thank god im being targeted for a Senior Director position at a Fortune 50 company, because...

But y'all should really donate to YearUp.

Ya there are 20 black people in the whole company and holy poo poo does the sheltered white viewpoint of management start to show once you start paying attention. I won't go into queer issues here, but believe me they're just as ignorant there. I find the lack of diversity chafing (having lots of Indians doesn't count for diversity in the computer industry) but I kind of have to suck it up and deal to care for my family and be close to home. Having grown up in Milwaukee and Beloit, though, it's weird to be somewhere so monochrome. I can see why people think it's normal when a TV cast or movie has one named poc character. They've literally known nothing else.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

A big flaming stink posted:

Negromancer (back when he was gfsincere) was literally a ferguson protestor that got bought an account here by someone, and initially posted in an extremely combative manner, resulting in him getting banned for a month. Since then, he has been a far better poster than dnd deserves but this anecdote is gonna be brought up out of context from now until the end of time whenever he disagrees with someone.

In all fairness this feat of hubris has happened....quite a few times. Another poster (commienedflanders?) in Election Erection had to post his hand to prove they were a black Sanders supporter.

Does Not A Step have a history ITT?

PantherWill
Feb 23, 2013

Neurolimal posted:

In all fairness this feat of hubris has happened....quite a few times. Another poster (commienedflanders?) in Election Erection had to post his hand to prove they were a black Sanders supporter.

I thought that was Sedanchair?

Goddamn, I lurk here too goddamn much.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
This wouldn't be a problem if everybody had a little symbol next to their name denoting their race.

JeffersonClay
Jun 17, 2003

by R. Guyovich

Darth Walrus posted:

The black posters on the forum have been handed a literal ghetto, you're trying to rules-lawyer it away from them,

It's called gentrification.

negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
I just got called racist and transphobic in a PM.

Fantastic.

90s Solo Cup
Feb 22, 2011

To understand the cup
He must become the cup



PantherWill posted:

I thought that was Sedanchair?

Goddamn, I lurk here too goddamn much.

Yeah, I think it was Sedanchair.

negromancer posted:

I just got called racist and transphobic in a PM.

Fantastic.

Redtext incoming.

OmanyteJackson
Mar 18, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
Okay I just need to vent. Today I was literally stuck in the middle of two white people arguing about white privilege and it seemed like the most fitting end to 2016. Best part, nothing was gained! highlights include " I was descriminated against" and the person on my side shutting me out of the conversation. I'm still shaking dude. gently caress. I hate this.

Cannon Busters is looking pretty good though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CVxE-fXCFA

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012


Domestic Amuse posted:

Redtext incoming.

If they get rid of his avatar, he needs one of the salamanders space marines from wh40k as a new one. Black space marines and one of the only truely good natured groups in the whole setting. :toot:

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Cop Porn Popper posted:

If they get rid of his avatar, he needs one of the salamanders space marines from wh40k as a new one. Black space marines and one of the only truely good natured groups in the whole setting. :toot:

Yeah, uh, about that...

It turns out that there was a miscommunication. Salamanders aren't black like black people, they're just black

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.



OmanyteJackson posted:

Okay I just need to vent. Today I was literally stuck in the middle of two white people arguing about white privilege and it seemed like the most fitting end to 2016. Best part, nothing was gained! highlights include " I was descriminated against" and the person on my side shutting me out of the conversation. I'm still shaking dude. gently caress. I hate this.

Cannon Busters is looking pretty good though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CVxE-fXCFA

I had no idea LeSean Thomas was making his own show. That's super cool and that guy is an inspiration to any PoC kid interested in art.

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012


Guy Goodbody posted:

Yeah, uh, about that...

It turns out that there was a miscommunication. Salamanders aren't black like black people, they're just black



Oh... well poo poo. Thats what I get for thinking. (Do I get points for trying at least?)

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Cop Porn Popper posted:

Oh... well poo poo. Thats what I get for thinking. (Do I get points for trying at least?)
In the grim darkness of the far future no one gets points for trying.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Guy Goodbody posted:

Yeah, uh, about that...

It turns out that there was a miscommunication. Salamanders aren't black like black people, they're just black



If it helps, that choice happened under the last CEO and a notoriously bad lead designer. Also the decision was universally reviled like, the moment they decided to do it

Also it looks really stupid.

negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
Maybe it's because I live in Atlanta, but I took my girlfriend to the range to teach her how to shoot for the first time, and it was mostly black people there.

Some Pinko Commie
Jun 9, 2009

CNC! Easy as 1️⃣2️⃣3️⃣!
Edit: nevermind. Too far off topic.

Some Pinko Commie fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Dec 17, 2016

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

negromancer posted:

Maybe it's because I live in Atlanta, but I took my girlfriend to the range to teach her how to shoot for the first time, and it was mostly black people there.

It's definitely because you are in Atlanta. Most gun ranges are the whitest kids you know in non brown cities

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

negromancer posted:

Maybe it's because I live in Atlanta, but I took my girlfriend to the range to teach her how to shoot for the first time, and it was mostly black people there.

Which range? Also the large and comparatively affluent black community means there's a black version of almost any group or activity you can think of here. Wouldn't surprise me if there's a/some ranges that specifically cater to a black clientele.

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

Fluffdaddy posted:

It's definitely because you are in Atlanta. Most gun ranges are the whitest kids you know in non brown cities

In the DC/NoVA area I'd say it's a solid mix, mostly white followed by Black, Hispanic, and Asian.

In my experience you'll see a mix of people (or lackthereof) pretty representative of whoever lives in the area.

negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

there wolf posted:

Which range? Also the large and comparatively affluent black community means there's a black version of almost any group or activity you can think of here. Wouldn't surprise me if there's a/some ranges that specifically cater to a black clientele.

Stoddards. Signed up for a membership as well so I can sit on the range as long as I want.

LunarShadow
Aug 15, 2013


negromancer posted:

Stoddards. Signed up for a membership as well so I can sit on the range as long as I want.

I'd been wondering about that place since I deliver food in that area. Good to hear isn't bubba heaven.

LunarShadow fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Dec 18, 2016

negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

LunarShadow posted:

I'd been wondering about that place since I deliver food in that area. Good to hear isn't bubba heaven.

Nope. Most of the people working there are former Marines and Army, and very cool. But yeah not Bubba heaven at all.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer
Ignorant white question of the day: "If you're mixed, why do you and <black coworker> never use the n word with each other?"

Guys, did you know that when sufficient African blood is in the room everyone enters a trance where we all just start speaking pure TV ebonics and throwing hand signals at each other? I literally don't know anyone irl who uses the n word anymore. I haven't heard it since I left Milwaukee. I didn't even know how to respond to this guy's question so I just said I had to go to the bathroom and bailed.

Lesson learned; don't go out for drinks with people from Ohio that you have to work with. It always backfires on me. What is with Ohio?

negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

Ignorant white question of the day: "If you're mixed, why do you and <black coworker> never use the n word with each other?"

Guys, did you know that when sufficient African blood is in the room everyone enters a trance where we all just start speaking pure TV ebonics and throwing hand signals at each other? I literally don't know anyone irl who uses the n word anymore. I haven't heard it since I left Milwaukee. I didn't even know how to respond to this guy's question so I just said I had to go to the bathroom and bailed.

Lesson learned; don't go out for drinks with people from Ohio that you have to work with. It always backfires on me. What is with Ohio?

My grandmother said the same thing about Ohio when she was living in Dayton.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Domestic Amuse posted:

Yeah, I think it was Sedanchair.

Sedan chair was the guy who people thought couldn't be black because he posted a picture of himself holding a gun or something revealing that he has really light skin.. I think??

SC was a Hillaryman early on, it was some other guy who had to prove they were a black berniebro.

Der Waffle Mous
Nov 27, 2009

In the grim future, there is only commerce.

Neurolimal posted:

If it helps, that choice happened under the last CEO and a notoriously bad lead designer. Also the decision was universally reviled like, the moment they decided to do it

Also it looks really stupid.

As someone who has painted a bunch of salamanders this is one of those things I'm happy ignoring.

Likewise with the de-canonization of Native American Deathwing.

Some Pinko Commie
Jun 9, 2009

CNC! Easy as 1️⃣2️⃣3️⃣!

negromancer posted:

My grandmother said the same thing about Ohio when she was living in Dayton.

There's a reason why so many US astronauts are from Ohio.

It's so terrible that the people that live there want to leave the planet and get as far away from Ohio as possible.

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botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
This was a pretty good interview I thought:

quote:

You write that “this is not a book about race” but then proceed to show how race shapes the geographical and economic circumstances that often lead to these deaths, and informs the ways these deaths are reported on or not, investigated or not, understood or not. You write, “Whatever American society makes of black lives, in many if not most instances black deaths such as these don’t count for an awful lot.” I think there’s a tendency, particularly post-election, to claim something is “about race” or not – whereas what I think your book makes clear is that nothing here is ever really “not about race.”

It’s a book about America. And you can’t talk about America without talking about race, but the way people understand race in America all too often is an exclusive, discrete thing, as opposed to something integral to the country. This was a random day rather than a representative day: way more black kids were shot dead than normal. But there is this very clear racial overlay to the way in which gun deaths are understood. Americans want to find a way to discount these deaths, “because they’re gang related” or “because they happened in this part of town,” and that’s a way of saying, “it’s not just that these people are likely [to die], they’re actually not really people.” It’s like this is happening to a different species.

You see that in some of the comments. After Samuel Brightmon is killed while walking a friend home he gets just 81 words in the paper, and this woman says, “Well I know where my children are, why don’t his parents know where his children are?” His mom knew exactly where he was.

I was on a radio show recently and someone said, “If you took out three or four cities, then this country wouldn’t look so bad.” How do you do that? If you just imagine America without Chicago, St. Louis, New Orleans, Oakland, then what is the rest of America? It’s crazy. They have arranged a way of trying to reimagine America without these people in it.

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/18/how-many-children-were-shot-dead-today-an-interview-with-gary-younge/

(Is this sort of stuff appropriate for the thread? Tell me if it isn't.)

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