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Zoran posted:High frame rates are good. In a video game maybe. Go watch Long Halftime Walk and tell me how great high framerates are.
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Just got back, what a fantastic movie. They really set the bar high for these "legends" films, there was so much going on in this one and it tied in with all the current cannon in a very clean way. Lots of little references even to the Tarkin book that came out a few years back. One thing I'm curious about, the Alliance and Jyn kept mentioning the force (where did she get that cyrstal?). Are we to assume that the Alliance was pro-Jedi and believed in the force as a power for good at this time? Almost all the jedi have been killed and it seems a bit odd that they keep telling each other "may the force be with you".
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Popete posted:Just got back, what a fantastic movie. They really set the bar high for these "legends" films, there was so much going on in this one and it tied in with all the current cannon in a very clean way. Lots of little references even to the Tarkin book that came out a few years back. The Alliance is super pro Jedi . Oragana is one of the leaders of the Rebellion and he personally knew Jedi. So yea. I don't have any complaints about Vader because it really makes this film almost a direct lead in of A New Hope. It would have been kind of boring if their like " Oh welp we got the plans PEACE OUT". It just heightened the ending more I felt and really gives that opening of A New Hope a great context Hollismason fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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My name is Baze Malbus, I work in kyber security
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Popete posted:Almost all the jedi have been killed and it seems a bit odd that they keep telling each other "may the force be with you "It's like, I'm spiritual, but just not religious, you know." -Jyn Erso
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You don't have to be a teenage mutant ninja monk to believe in the force
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Also, the Empire despises the Jedi as insurrectionists, so the Rebel Alliance reveres them as martyrs. The Force Awakens introduces the notion of religions centered around the Force but not involving becoming a Jedi, and it's not a stretch to suggest that these religions became more ecumenical and more inclined to sedition once the most powerful and orthodox of them was the target of a violent purge. Another minor ANH connection: Vader's performance in A New Hope is super loving pissed because just a few hours previously, they got away, and he's been stewing that entire time. I liked the virtual faces and want to see more of them. Bongo Bill fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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Dec 17, 2016 08:12
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The rebellion always believed in The Force. They use "May The Force be With You" in the original trilogy too.
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Bongo Bill posted:I liked the virtual faces and want to see more of them. Reported for trolling
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Reported for trolling It's a good, cool effect. Movie magic has now reached the level of turning back time and raising the dead.
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CGI dude took me out of every scene he was in but the rest of the movie was fun.
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I had a weird realization rewatching A New Hope tonight: In the theater, I totally hated that goofy little "I'm Crushing Your Throat" thing Vader does with his fingers in the scene with Krennic, but now, rewatching ANH, he does literally the exact same thing when he's choking the officer. I think I never noticed it because it's kinda of hard to notice with a black glove in front of his black suit, but in Rogue One, if I remember right, they actually have a shot of just his hand, and it's really obvious.
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Bongo Bill posted:good, cool I guess you could say it's a subjective term 
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I kind of love how some fans in this forum have strong feelings opposed to this film. It means we're going to keep this eternal fire of a thread alive for many years to come. I watch ANH the day after R1 and drat did they do well to fit those movies together. The high tension you get at the start of ANH flows seamlessly from R1's climax. It's perfect.
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Bongo Bill posted:It's a good, cool effect. Movie magic has now reached the level of turning back time and raising the dead. Not quite. It's still obvious it's not real if you're familiar with what a human face looks like.
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Ben Mendelsohn is gonna get typecast as "Dude who gets put in his place by scary mask dude" if he's not careful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C_BubeBU8E
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Saw it this afternoon, and had a blast, but it loaded all of it's flaws to the end of the film which sorta leaves a bad taste. I don't really feel like it earned killing each of the named characters individually in such rapid succession, like everyone dieing in the face of the Deathstar would be one thing, or if we're constantly losing people that'd be another, as is was a little much. The plot was a very overcomplicated, we're going over here, now we're going over there sort of thing which made little sense. Like overcomplicated plots are super Lucas, but he's sort of the idiot savant of that sort of thing. The problem with say Attack of the Clones wasn't that it was overcomplicated, it was that it all made sense and it was too much so your brain hurt. The tie ins with the ANH pilots was easily the thing that got me the most pumped, and the slasher vader was something else. All throughout there was a lot of great little moments, but I'm not sure the movie fully comes together at the end. We'll probably enjoy picking it apart for the next forever because it give a lot to chew on as opposed to TFA which gave a lot of stuff for fan speculation. There's a lot of cool references to things that never happened, like Forest Whitaker taking some obvious design nods from Anakin from the original Starkiller script, and I feel like for the most part it's more a love letter to the design and behind the scenes aspect to Star Wars then a stand alone film which is cool as heck.
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WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:I'm sorry but reshots are the onside kick of movies; you do them cuz your in a hole but even if it works it's never quite a clean victory. Every movie has reshoots. I don't know why people keep pretending they don't.
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its all nice on rice posted:Blue milk was the best cameo. Disappointed at no gonk droid. I'm pretty sure there was one at the base on Yavin 4.
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Silver Brushes posted:Not to quote myself but this online theory turned out to be correct in a big way. Death Star exhaust Felt like some Wookiepedia-level nonsense, trying to explain away every last detail. No longer is it hubris on part of the Empire, but it was done on purpose. Ugh
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MikeJF posted:Also, re: it being a frontal assault rather than a heist, someone just pointed out the ANH opening crawl: How does this fit? There were no spies! Also, in terms of fitting to ANH... how does Tarkin go from deferring to "Lord" Vader to having him as a henchman? And why was a mind-slug with the power to warp minds in the story when the person whose mind was warped was completely fine about five minutes later? Why don't the Rebels just invest in A-Wings and Hammerheads seeing as a handful can take out an entire Star Destroyer? Why doesn't the Empire just give guns to those K2 droids instead of wasting time training humans and putting them in Stormtrooper outfits? How can reprogramming a droid cause it to be able to withstand 10x more damage than its Imperial counterpart, which dies after one small blaster shot to the shoulder?
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CaptainN posted:Death Star exhaust They abducted a guy and killed his wife and then expected him to work for them and never dissent again. That's still hubris.
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CaptainN posted:Death Star exhaust It's both. the hubris comes from the empire just assuming Galen had fallen in line like a good little scientist. Even after discovering Galen's treachery, they don't go out of their way to stop the project or re-evaluate or anything.
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jivjov posted:It's both. the hubris comes from the empire just assuming Galen had fallen in line like a good little scientist. Even after discovering Galen's treachery, they don't go out of their way to stop the project or re-evaluate or anything. Uh they literally reevaluate. It's a major plot point and motivates just about everything the director and Tarkin do in the final act. They can't abandon the project itself at that point because it works and they've put an immense number of resources into it. That's why getting the plans back are so drat important.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Uh they literally reevaluate. It's a major plot point and motivates just about everything the director and Tarkin do in the final act. They can't abandon the project itself at that point because it works and they've put an immense number of resources into it. That's why getting the plans back are so drat important. Let me rephrase; the Empire as a whole doesn't re-evaluate. Yes, obviously they try to recover the plans and stop the information leak. But, as you say, the project was too far in to be stopped entirely. But as far as we see on screen, Krennic and Tarkin don't call the Emperor, or bring in an independent team of specialists to go back over Galen's work with a fine toothed comb or anything. Bring in Tarkin's Mega-Hubris from ANH and it completes the picture. He knows full well the plans are gone and when one of his minions tells him "hey, we analyzed the Rebel's plan and there might be a problem", Tarkin just laughed it off.
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I got the vibe that they were going to go over everything, but I think the point was that it would take a lot of time to go over an entire moon-sized battle station for the supposed minor flaw, from top to bottom, without the help of the dude who made it. Time that would have to be explained to the Emperor, time the Empire can't use the weapon, the the lack of the weapon might cause more systems to rebel, etc. It's not really a case of hubrisically ignoring the flaw, it's almost the opposite: they are acutely aware of how difficult it's going to be to find the drat thing. That was that was the point of Tarkin's "you've given the rebels the weapon or time" line, or whatever it is. The more time the Death Star exists with a well-hidden flaw, the more time the Rebels have a chance to use it and blow the poo poo out of it. It's in the Empire's best interests to get it fixed right loving now, and the fact that they can't ultimately dooms the station. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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We're past spoilering, I think.Saul Goode posted:How does this fit? There were no spies! Well, there were infiltrators. But I didn't actually remember that the scroll had set up that there was a big space battle to get the plans. quote:And why was a mind-slug with the power to warp minds in the story when the person whose mind was warped was completely fine about five minutes later? yeeeeeeeeeeeeah quote:Why don't the Rebels just invest in A-Wings and Hammerheads seeing as a handful can take out an entire Star Destroyer? They got really lucky with an Ion cannon shot taking out the destroyer. Even so, it would've rebooted a few minutes later had they not, you know, rammed it into another one. quote:Why doesn't the Empire just give guns to those K2 droids instead of wasting time training humans and putting them in Stormtrooper outfits? Kinda bugged me, because a huge plot point of the prequels (I know, I know) was how much better humans were than droids at fighting. CaptainN posted:Death Star exhaust To be fair also, the exhaust port wasn't what Galen put in. What he put in was that the reactor system was set up in such a way to be chain-reactive. Hell, he was probably imagining that they'd have infiltrators plant a small bomb or something. Without what he did, though, shooting down the exhaust port would probably just have disabled a single reactor or something, which is presumably why the outer shell designers didn't guard it better. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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Just realized what this movie is missing. CGI Old Ben Kenobi. He could have stealthed into the shield generator thing and shut it down. And while he was in there he could have rescued CGI Chewbacca from a holding cell. Then the Millennium Falcon could pick up Chewie and CGI young Han Solo would say "Chewie........You're home."
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Can we all at least agree that the mind slug was weird as gently caress and had no consequence whatsoever towards accomplishing anything. Why in the hell was that sequence in the movie?
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MikeJF posted:Kinda bugged me, because a huge plot point of the prequels (I know, I know) was how much better humans were than droids at fighting.
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Waffles Inc. posted:Can we all at least agree that the mind slug was weird as gently caress and had no consequence whatsoever towards accomplishing anything. Why in the hell was that sequence in the movie?
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Did I miss a wilhelm scream, by the way?
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MisterBibs posted:Did I miss a wilhelm scream, by the way? Holy poo poo, WHERE WAS WILHELM!? I didn't think of it till now!
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There was actually a point where there *wasn't* one but the scene practically screamed for it which made me stop and think that the director was absolutely trying to make a point and not do it. Also dude who reminded me of the opening crawl in ANH you blew my mind. I've seen that movie countless times but reading that after R1 was like whoah. The best prequel :3
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Super Fan posted:What is it with you and the prequels? You will just not rest until every person on earth likes them. It's okay if you don't like the prequels, my friend. They're just movies, everyone's entitled to an opinion. Take a deep breath.
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:Saving Private Ryan was dumb and all the characters were cyphers. None of them ever explained how they had wound up in the US Army in France (not sure about this, the names were confusing) or why they were fighting the Nazis (again, names are hard and I might have misremembered this?). Why does the titular private (can't remember his name either) stay and fight? I think the movie needed some reshoots so every character had a monologue explaining what they were doing and why. Nice
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MikeJF posted:
What's actually funny about this is that it means the Empire still didn't bother reevaluating the plans when they built the Second Death Star, as they covered the exhaust port but apparently left in the flaw that caused the whole station to explode when the reactor was disabled. Hubris, indeed.
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http://i.imgur.com/oHlYlyN.mp4 Really curious about v1.0 of this movie.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:What's actually funny about this is that it means the Empire still didn't bother reevaluating the plans when they built the Second Death Star, as they covered the exhaust port but apparently left in the flaw that caused the whole station to explode when the reactor was disabled. "Thing blows up when its power source is blown up" is standard movie logic. The hubris was leaving the reactor exposed for the "trap."
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MikeJF posted:http://i.imgur.com/oHlYlyN.mp4 well that version was on 5 1/4 floppies, obviously they upgraded to some kind of ssd for v2.0
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