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If you do go with EVGA for a 1050Ti, get the SC version. The overclock isn't the reason, though. The base 1050Ti just uses a simple solid aluminum finned heatsink, while the SC uses a heatpiped assembly. It shouldn't matter, but I think it's worth an extra  or so for the sake of the card's longevity.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Yeah, I saw that in the document you linked but those are outer dimensions, it doesn't really help that much because it's not possible to tell the internal structure from that. For instance I don't know if that card I linked will fit hight/depth wise, the length should be OK as long as they did not put other components overhanging the motherboard. Also you have to hope that they are using standard ATX pinouts on the power connectors for that mobo, sometimes they use nonstandard ones and if you hook up a standard PSU it can just fry the mobo. I remember when Dell used to do that so you needed to pay through the nose for a lovely Dell PSU instead of just buying a decent off the shelf one. My previous computer was also a prebuilt with an aftermarket PSU so I'm hoping for the best.  BIG HEADLINE posted:If you do go with EVGA for a 1050Ti, get the SC version. The overclock isn't the reason, though. The base 1050Ti just uses a simple solid aluminum finned heatsink, while the SC uses a heatpiped assembly. It shouldn't matter, but I think it's worth an extra Funny enough the SC version appears to be cheaper than the plain Ti on Amazon. Kaiju Cage Match fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Grundulum posted:My impression from following this thread is that (1) EVGA's failures were unrelated to thermal issues, and due instead to capacitors failing, (2) this happened more spectacularly than other failure modes and so got more press. I don't remember hearing that the overall rate of failure was more or less than other brands'. I don't know about anyone else but I've had nothing but loving annoying problems with the 2 EVGA 1070s I've got, the first one I RMA'd then the second one has loving identical issues, that were entirely introduced by this card and I can't find any fault with my system at all. It's a huge pain in the rear end.
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cat doter posted:I don't know about anyone else but I've had nothing but loving annoying problems with the 2 EVGA 1070s I've got, the first one I RMA'd then the second one has loving identical issues, that were entirely introduced by this card and I can't find any fault with my system at all. It's a huge pain in the rear end. Well yeah but your issue is super weird and not at all typical, it's really hard to say if the card being an EVGA 1070 has anything to do with it.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Well yeah but your issue is super weird and not at all typical, it's really hard to say if the card being an EVGA 1070 has anything to do with it. Yeah I wouldn't go as far as saying the card is the issue but damnit, I got an EVGA 1070 and it doesn't work properly and I'm mad. I'm gonna blame them just to feel better.
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For some reason I got really bored and tried overclocking for the very first time. I moved some sliders, typed numbers, watched floating islands and steampunk boats maybe like 20 times. I made my scores go higher which is cool I guess, but then the drivers started crashing and I got cute little black triangles on my screen. That was an interesting experience I think. I even got achievements for it because EVGA precision x software has steam achievements for some really odd reason. Did I miss out on the golden era of overclocking, or was it always this tedious and sorta uneventful? I was sorta hoping my 1070 SC would do digital backflips or whatever but all I got was a lotta fan noise and some coil whine.
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Dali Parton posted:For some reason I got really bored and tried overclocking for the very first time. I moved some sliders, typed numbers, watched floating islands and steampunk boats maybe like 20 times. I made my scores go higher which is cool I guess, but then the drivers started crashing and I got cute little black triangles on my screen. That was an interesting experience I think. I even got achievements for it because EVGA precision x software has steam achievements for some really odd reason. Did I miss out on the golden era of overclocking, or was it always this tedious and sorta uneventful? I was sorta hoping my 1070 SC would do digital backflips or whatever but all I got was a lotta fan noise and some coil whine. Nah, it used to be a bit more interesting, but they have both made it easier & less risky and more restrictive. Nvidia has essentially made software, namely GPU-Boost, that in the current(3.0) version gets you like 90% of the OC that you would get OCing manually so the gains are pretty small, on AMD's side the cards tend not to OC very well, though that should hopefully change as they get away from GloFo. We also used to see stuff like modded firmware and other hacks but Nvidia is using signed firmware these days and it's questionable how much modded firmware would help considering how much Nvidia is already able to squeeze out of these chips with GPU-Boost 3.0.
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Yeah for this particular generation OC'ing isn't very fruitful. Which is actually great, but still kind of sad. I'm sure AIBs aren't too happy about it but that's just the cost of Boost 3.0. I have no problems at all with consistent products that "OC" themselves to nearly their limits thats all we really want anyway but I will miss the tinkering of course. I still run an OC due to the still-huge memory OC on the table but I imagine that will be taken care of at some point as well.
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penus penus penus posted:Yeah for this particular generation OC'ing isn't very fruitful. Which is actually great, but still kind of sad. I'm sure AIBs aren't too happy about it but that's just the cost of Boost 3.0. I have no problems at all with consistent products that "OC" themselves to nearly their limits thats all we really want anyway but I will miss the tinkering of course. I'm really happy with the auto-overclocking thing. I absolutely never want to have to bother with overclocking to get all of the potential out of a product and then have this thought in the back of my mind that every time something crashes, it might be because of the OC. I can not wait for the future where every part of my computer joins in and manual overclocking (or even having to manually set the bios to use XMP for memory) becomes a long-forgotten relic of the past.
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Dali Parton posted:I was sorta hoping my 1070 SC would do digital backflips or whatever but all I got was a lotta fan noise and some coil whine. With older hardware OCing used to be a bit more complicated and also a fair bit more time consuming, arguably was even more boring years ago but also more fruitful.
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Geemer posted:I'm really happy with the auto-overclocking thing. Supposedly AMD's upcoming Zen does something similar where it'll OC up until it starts hitting thermal limits, so we're getting there.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Nah, it used to be a bit more interesting, but they have both made it easier & less risky and more restrictive. Nvidia has essentially made software, namely GPU-Boost, that in the current(3.0) version gets you like 90% of the OC that you would get OCing manually so the gains are pretty small, on AMD's side the cards tend not to OC very well, though that should hopefully change as they get away from GloFo. We also used to see stuff like modded firmware and other hacks but Nvidia is using signed firmware these days and it's questionable how much modded firmware would help considering how much Nvidia is already able to squeeze out of these chips with GPU-Boost 3.0. Col.Kiwi posted:I don't get it, what is there to expect other than faster performance? I'm trying to think of an example of what sort of digital backflips you might have imagined happening but I'm coming up empty. Geemer posted:I'm really happy with the auto-overclocking thing. So yeah all in all maybe its best that overclocking is already loosely automated, just in terms of everyday practicality. Sometimes I just get the urge to work on something just to spin my wheels. Wacky Delly posted:Supposedly AMD's upcoming Zen does something similar where it'll OC up until it starts hitting thermal limits, so we're getting there.
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It's probably just the same thing as pushing up the limits of the processor while staying inside whatever defined thermal limit. My guess is that some smart cookie over at AMD recognized that different cooling solutions have different temperature curves as it heats up over time and not just different max thermals, and that when it detects a given curve, it kicks in a corresponding profile.
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https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/220941257quote:980 Ti users get first spot in line for 1080 Ti pre-orders, or “Step Up” offer 
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That's me. I'm ready to "Step Up"
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Yeah, I saw that in the document you linked but those are outer dimensions, it doesn't really help that much because it's not possible to tell the internal structure from that. For instance I don't know if that card I linked will fit hight/depth wise, the length should be OK as long as they did not put other components overhanging the motherboard. Also you have to hope that they are using standard ATX pinouts on the power connectors for that mobo, sometimes they use nonstandard ones and if you hook up a standard PSU it can just fry the mobo. I remember when Dell used to do that so you needed to pay through the nose for a lovely Dell PSU instead of just buying a decent off the shelf one. Dell and HP both still do this AFAIK, at least as recently as a couple years ago. We used to order the Optiplex 3020/7020 towers and instead of the regular 24-pin ATX power, it had some garbage proprietary 10-pin connector. Found out the hard way when I suspected a recently past warranty box had a bad PSU, but couldn't do any testing on it  similar happened with some older Optiplex 800/900 series boxes, had some janky 30 pin connector or something and you either had to get a new PSU from Dell or pray you could find a working adapter from ATX to DBP (Dell Bullshit Proprietary).
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BOOTY-ADE posted:Dell and HP both still do this AFAIK, at least as recently as a couple years ago. We used to order the Optiplex 3020/7020 towers and instead of the regular 24-pin ATX power, it had some garbage proprietary 10-pin connector. Found out the hard way when I suspected a recently past warranty box had a bad PSU, but couldn't do any testing on it Oh, I knew about that, but in the really bad old days Dell would use a 24-pin ATX connector but with the pinouts completely different, so you could totally plug in a standard ATX PSU, it would just ram 12v into ground and murder the mobo.
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Why is this a LinkedIn jobs URL? I don't have LinkedIn so I can't view it. Could you post the whole thing?
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The important parts are they confirmed the 1080 TI (without specs, just the name) and there's a new 10 dollar a month "elite" program for streaming games like the old Geforce Now program, but the new one is supposed to give additional benefits like free games and prizes.
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BOOTY-ADE posted:Dell and HP both still do this AFAIK, at least as recently as a couple years ago. We used to order the Optiplex 3020/7020 towers and instead of the regular 24-pin ATX power, it had some garbage proprietary 10-pin connector. Found out the hard way when I suspected a recently past warranty box had a bad PSU, but couldn't do any testing on it Just ordered a Poweredge T20 brand new a couple weeks back and it uses a PSU with a normal ATX12V 4-pin connector, a proprietary 8-pin and nothing else. The 8-pin plugs in about where a 24-pin would on a standard board and next to it, another connector coming out of the motherboard supplies power to all of the drives. I'm pretty sure you can get a passive adapter to turn a normal 24-pin into that 8-pin though and use a normal PSU with it for not much cost.
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Zero VGS posted:Why is this a LinkedIn jobs URL? I don't have LinkedIn so I can't view it. Could you post the whole thing? quote:Most Recent Geforce Rewards Product/Program Description
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I sent out a RMA to MSI which was recieved on the 2nd. Still no updates other than "arrived". It was odd because one day it was on "Replacement" but then rolled back to "arrived" the day after. Do they normally take this long? Newegg and EVGA were lightning fast with their replacements. But I have no idea whats taking MSI. They were the only company to make me pay for shipment too.
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Dali Parton posted:I sent out a RMA to MSI which was recieved on the 2nd. Still no updates other than "arrived". It was odd because one day it was on "Replacement" but then rolled back to "arrived" the day after. Do they normally take this long? Newegg and EVGA were lightning fast with their replacements. But I have no idea whats taking MSI. They were the only company to make me pay for shipment too. A while yes, 16 days to get an answer after being received no not really thats getting into "wtf" phase. Unfortunately you're going to have to call, which will inevitably give you an answer you already know, but its necessary sometimes to kick someone in the rear end down the food chain
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I'm looking for a budget card around the price of a GT 730 2GB DDR3, which is currently on offer on Amazon at a nice £42. Yep, it's a terrible card, I know, but better than my 8800 GS. Everything is relative, right? Any budget cards expected to replace the GT 730 line-up in the near future? Might as well wait if it's only a couple of weeks or months away.
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Exioce posted:I'm looking for a budget card around the price of a GT 730 2GB DDR3, which is currently on offer on Amazon at a nice £42. Yep, it's a terrible card, I know, but better than my 8800 GS. Everything is relative, right? Any budget cards expected to replace the GT 730 line-up in the near future? Might as well wait if it's only a couple of weeks or months away.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Nothing that low end, no. The GT 730 is the best you'll get in that price range for the foreseeable future. Cheers. Gone ahead and ordered then. I'll finally be able to watch HD video without stuttering! (perhaps)
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Exioce posted:I'm looking for a budget card around the price of a GT 730 2GB DDR3, which is currently on offer on Amazon at a nice £42. Yep, it's a terrible card, I know, but better than my 8800 GS. Everything is relative, right? Any budget cards expected to replace the GT 730 line-up in the near future? Might as well wait if it's only a couple of weeks or months away. The cheapest thing in the current NVIDIA lineup is the GTX 1050. Or the next step up is the 1050 Ti, which is ~20% faster. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Palit-GeForce-1050-StormX-Graphics/dp/B01M7RRV7R/ There's also the RX 460. Roughly the same performance as the GTX 1050 and slightly cheaper. https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Graphics-Cards/PowerColor-AXRX-460-2GBD5-OC-Express-Black/B01J9FFV14/ The GT 730 (and many other low-end cards from that time period) are actually carryovers from old architectures. There are several versions of the GT 730, depending on the version it can actually be as old as Fermi - so only a year or two newer than your 8800 GS. It certainly won't have H265 decode support, since that was introduced in Maxwell, and Fermi was rather notorious for power consumption and high temperatures. Unfortunately there is a "minimum buy-in" to graphics cards. Yes, the RX 460 is twice the price of the GT 730 - but it's literally 8 times the performance. (note: I used the GT 430 there instead since it's the same GF108 chip but without the Kepler versions of the card mixed in too) If it's the Kepler version, the RX 460 is still almost five times as fast (again: the GT 635 is the same chip, and actually clocked slightly higher than the 730) You pay a pretty decent chunk of money just to have literally anything that plugs into the slot, and there are huge performance gains to stepping up even a little bit in price. If you have a recent processor, have you considered just using the iGPU? If all you want is H264 video decode, it can do that. AMD has had it starting with the Phenom lineup, and Intel has had it starting with Sandy Bridge. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:The cheapest thing in the current NVIDIA lineup is the GTX 1050. Or the next step up is the 1050 Ti, which is ~20% faster. Hmm, you've given me some serious pause for thought now about getting that card, and I've cancelled my order. My entire set-up is completely ancient. We're talking a Wolfdale E5400 cpu. Perhaps it would be more economical to just wait for the Christmas sales and buy the budget build components recommended in this forum? I do want to get back into gaming a little, things like Elite Dangerous (Low graphical setting is okay with me, if not ideal), so a discreet GPU card is to a certain degree necessary. Maybe the RX 460 is the absolute minimum I really should go for.
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Anybody have any advice on frame rate limiting? I usually run at 120hz, and I've heard various advice stating stuff like 118 to reduce lag, but this doesn't matter if you set pre-rendered frames to 1 or vsync is off, or 124 to maybe prevent tearing? Doesn't seem to be any real evidence I can find.
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Lowclock posted:Anybody have any advice on frame rate limiting? I usually run at 120hz, and I've heard various advice stating stuff like 118 to reduce lag, but this doesn't matter if you set pre-rendered frames to 1 or vsync is off, or 124 to maybe prevent tearing? Doesn't seem to be any real evidence I can find. What are you going for? What are you trying to improve/reduce/etc.?
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Jan posted:What are you going for? What are you trying to improve/reduce/etc.? edit: or maybe I should just use adaptive vsync??? I'd prefer no input lag over no tearing, but I'm wondering what technique will get the best compromise between the two without shelling out a grand on gsync monitors. edit2: or fast sync and an fps limit just over refresh rate? Too many options. Lowclock fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Exioce posted:Hmm, you've given me some serious pause for thought now about getting that card, and I've cancelled my order. My entire set-up is completely ancient. We're talking a Wolfdale E5400 cpu. Perhaps it would be more economical to just wait for the Christmas sales and buy the budget build components recommended in this forum? I do want to get back into gaming a little, things like Elite Dangerous (Low graphical setting is okay with me, if not ideal), so a discreet GPU card is to a certain degree necessary. Maybe the RX 460 is the absolute minimum I really should go for. TBH I'd consider just replacing the entire PC - you can probably get an off lease Sandybridge HP 8200 (or whatever the Lenovo and Dell equivalents are) for virtually nothing
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:even a $200 walmart special laptop. I bet even that would be like 5 times faster than your computer. No, usually not because those tend to use "Celeron" Atoms. Gotta aim a little bit higher than $200 to get a real processor in a laptop. dissss posted:TBH I'd consider just replacing the entire PC - you can probably get an off lease Sandybridge HP 8200 (or whatever the Lenovo and Dell equivalents are) for virtually nothing You can on the other hand do something like this for around $200, but I'd at least spend enough to get a system that can take a full-profile 2 slot GPU if you buy some OEM refurb or you're going to be sad when you go to pick one out. This topic of discussion popped up pretty recently in the PC Parts Picking thread and I said to get a used GPU if you want to spend less than $100 and get good value. You can get a 7850 for like $50 and those are a hell of a lot better than an 8800 GS - they might even be half as good as a $100 1050. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Lowclock posted:Power consumption and fan noise mostly. Most of what I can find about frame rate limiting is conjecture and bickering on counterstrike and moba forums, so I was wondering if there's any actual objective measurable information on the subject anywhere. i use fastsync and my framelimit at 120 in BF1 (monitor is overclocked to 76 hz) and it's beautiful
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