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Aurubin posted:It is bad. You're right. Smug but right. The problem is Perez has no appreciable electoral experience and is in the race solely because Obama wants him to be. After Tim Kaine and DWS, I'd rather not see anyone from the Obama camp in the running. Yeah I'm fine with the symbolic break from Obama (although keep in mind that y'all are doing to him what y'all love to claim Gore did to Clinton: try to run away from a popular ex-president), but I also don't think Ellison winning a single House seat really sets the groundwork for a 3000-odd county organization
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:It's like they're trying to fail as hard as possible Obama has to think about his prospects as a board member of hedge funds from now on, supporting leftist leaders would be a blemish on the ol' CV
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politicians tend to have genuine beliefs and advocate for what they believe, overall. pure power-hungry psychopaths go into business. the upside of this is that you needn't be so cynical about 'lying politicians,' as the style has it the downside of this is that obama and his ilk genuinely thought they were doing good sensible government and won't suddenly become communists now the elections are done with
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Peel posted:politicians tend to have genuine beliefs and advocate for what they believe, overall. pure power-hungry psychopaths go into business. You don't have to be a full-blown psychopath to become corrupted by a habitual exposure to the world of lobbying and pushing back against the public interest. A nomalisation of sociopathic behavior, if you will.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Yeah I'm fine with the symbolic break from Obama (although keep in mind that y'all are doing to him what y'all love to claim Gore did to Clinton: try to run away from a popular ex-president), but I also don't think Ellison winning a single House seat really sets the groundwork for a 3000-odd county organization Gore tried to distance himself from a popular sitting president, and no one argued Sanders or Hillary should do the same. Not quite the same thing
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:He was never really in a position to "go after" Wall St. (he was doing voting rights at DoJ) but did implement the Fiduciary rule at DoL (Wall St. can't intentionally gently caress over its retirement clients) and the overtime rules both of which will be unilaterally deleted on january 20
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Der Meister posted:both of which will be unilaterally deleted on january 20 Guess both parties were the same the whole time 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Guess both parties were the same the whole time Absolutely.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Guess both parties were the same the whole time Milquetoast centrism aside, Obama and his surrogates have been awful at messaging, and that translated into electoral failure and lack of enthusiasm. If you're not just trolling, energizing the base for more than just Presidential races is necessary. Having followed Ellison's career for a few years, I think he's capable of organizing a group to do that. Having followed Perez since his confirmation hearing, I do not think he's capable of that. To undercut my whole argument, Perez supported the TPP. Isolating China is all well and good, but the costs are too high.
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The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union (the largest private sector union) have broken with AFL-CIO leadership and have endorsed Tom Perez for DNC Chair.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Guess both parties were the same the whole time No?
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Maybe they were both bad, but two things being bad doesnt make them the same? Just brainstorming here
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GlyphGryph posted:Maybe they were both bad, but two things being bad doesnt make them the same? the republicans are there, so the democrats cant ever be bad, only good.
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hey whiksey what does ron paul have to say about this, i haven't gotten his newest newsletter yet
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OhFunny posted:The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union (the largest private sector union) have broken with AFL-CIO leadership and have endorsed Tom Perez for DNC Chair. and we all know what happened the last time they propped someone up based on qualifications alone :iamafag:
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:perez is more valuable as a lawyer/union advocate than a campaign organizer, you need people to pay some loving attention in the first place i keep getting thrown off when i see "experience" thrown around as a point for perez, given that he has next to no relevant experience in the thing that matters most for the position: actually getting elected
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Peel posted:politicians tend to have genuine beliefs and advocate for what they believe, overall. pure power-hungry psychopaths go into business. Thanks to the magic of capital investment, there's no reason you can't do both. In fact, being "a businessman" is now considered a positive qualifier for political office.
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OhFunny posted:The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union (the largest private sector union) have broken with AFL-CIO leadership and have endorsed Tom Perez for DNC Chair. I too love civil war! 
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Did these guys at least have the decency to put out a ballot saying "Perez / no one / do not endorse" or was this just a leadership decision?
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:He was never really in a position to "go after" Wall St. (he was doing voting rights at DoJ) but did implement the Fiduciary rule at DoL (Wall St. can't intentionally gently caress over its retirement clients) and the overtime rules obama put goldman sachs alumni in his cabinet, was electorally funded heavily by wall st, bent over backwards to bail out wall st, did essentially nothing to help homeowners during the foreclosure crisis scandal, pushed quantitative easing which was the biggest gently caress you wall st trickle down, and did not seek criminal indictments for fraudulent behavior obama was the wall st president hth please dont try to be an absurd liberal revisionist just b/c he's charismatic
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I would just read the article but the page has a bunch of really lovely javascript on it and my phonr is not good enough to handle the massive amount of popover ad code its running and it keeps throwing me back up to the to of the page
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I'm sorry, I though clearing the field of challengers for a coronation because It's His Turn was supposed to be bad now??? Ha
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I'm sorry, I though clearing the field of challengers for a coronation because It's His Turn was supposed to be bad now??? You are right, they should have endorsed Buckley instead. Also lol at the sum of the arguments for Perez basically amounting to "he doesnt seem too bad aside from a few significant things he is just pretending to be bad about, and a notable lack of relevant experience. Plus he is a familiar face and not a black muslim"
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Oh Snapple! posted:i keep getting thrown off when i see "experience" thrown around as a point for perez, given that he has next to no relevant experience in the thing that matters most for the position: actually getting elected Ellison has a track record of creating enthusism and winning in a working class rust belt district that should not be a place for a muslim democrat to do well. Instead Obama and his cabal of yes men are trying to smother any attempt to even try new leadership, despite the current DNC losing 900 total seats in the last election.
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:I too love civil war! Cornell West was right, we're hosed.
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GlyphGryph posted:You are right, they should have endorsed Buckley instead. Perez represents all of the outwardly inoffensive yet deeply cynical politics that the Democratic party should be turning away from. Plus he looks like a corpse.
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Did someone say arzy!??!!?!
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Perez represents all of the outwardly inoffensive yet deeply cynical politics that the Democratic party should be turning away from. Plus he looks like a corpse. He's also the type of low energy establishment DNC leader that will not create the grassroots involvement needed to reform the DNC.
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bump_fn posted:Did someone say arzy!??!!?! i'm thinking....arzy's
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Der Meister posted:hey whiksey what does ron paul have to say about this, i haven't gotten his newest newsletter yet Cool post from 2004, bro
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this poo poo is legit embarassing meanwhile michael sheen has said he's leaving acting, moving back to his hometown in wales and getting involved in local politics there the good sheen
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The Hollywood elite, ladies and gentlemen. Clearly they are far too powerful.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Perez represents all of the outwardly inoffensive yet deeply cynical politics that the Democratic party should be turning away from. Plus he looks like a corpse. I'm sorry that you're supporting Chuck Schumer's chosen candidate instead of a true friend to organized labor
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comedyblissoption posted:the SEC is an extension of the executive branch. the SEC chose to go after settlements where the financial institutions did not have to admit fault. in some of these settlements, judges wondered aloud why criminal charges were not sought for the alleged fraudulent behavior. Not sure what this has to do with Perez, chief
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I'm sorry that you're supporting Chuck Schumer's chosen candidate instead of a true friend to organized labor
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