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This was a good movie. My only issue was that Jyn, this person who had basically never taken responsibility for anything and had serious issues is the one who inspires everyone to do this great thing with very little reason for her to have come so far. I would've preferred that she was alwaysv with the rebels and that she stuck around and split ways with her foster dad because she disagreed with his philosophies. Overall it was a very enjoyable movie and if you didn't like it for x spergy reason than I can only imagine how hard it is to be you.
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Jerkface posted:You have mentioned this a few times and no one has responded. Are you being serious? It was a normal movie. I am 99% sure it was not running at 40 fps or whatever the hobbit was doing. I saw it twice and it looked fine both times. Maybe go to a different movie theater since yours seems to have a screen they bought from best buy and left the display settings on. And when it was noticably above 30, it looked terrible. But this is the new eay of things. I had the same problem with Arrival. It's just weird that it's either not noticable all the time, or inconsistently applied.
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TBQH, we should cross reference the people who are tying themselves in knots to hate Rogue One the most with the people who think the prequels are better than the OT. I'm starting my calculation at 90% match.
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Milky Moor posted:TBQH, we should cross reference the people who are tying themselves in knots to hate Rogue One the most with the people who think the prequels are better than the OT. Oh christ Rogue One is way better than any of the prequels just by virtue of looking phenomenal.
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Dec 18, 2016 06:14
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I think we should cross reference people tying themselves in knots to assert that Rogue One is a good piece of film making with people invested in a tribal identity of being a Star Wars fan and who feel like their tribe has been attacked.
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Dec 18, 2016 06:15
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LividLiquid posted:It absolutely was running above 24 frames a second, just not all the time. It seemed to have a varied framerate, but my eyes aren't what they used to be. Go to a normal theater
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Cyclomatic posted:I think we should cross reference people tying themselves in knots to assert that Rogue One is a good piece of film making with people invested in a tribal identity of being a Star Wars fan and who feel like their tribe has been attacked. The wide consensus is that it's good, among everyone including Joe Moviewatcher, sorry if that disappoints you.
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Jerkface posted:You have mentioned this a few times and no one has responded. Are you being serious? It was a normal movie. I am 99% sure it was not running at 40 fps or whatever the hobbit was doing. I saw it twice and it looked fine both times. Maybe go to a different movie theater since yours seems to have a screen they bought from best buy and left the display settings on. There were all sorts of fast pans (like the flyover of the lava planet) that looked exactly like a frame-interpolated Best Buy HDTV, but then most of the dialog scenes had the normal cinema choppiness to them. I think the movie was doing it deliberately (and not the theater), because it was changing between 24fps and something much higher depending on what the scene was. It was really inconsistent and was driving me nuts the entire movie. I swear I'm not insane. Edit: Here is what it looked like to me while I was watching at the theater, someone interpolated this themselves and posted it to Youtube but the movie was doing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6uYVnOjG6A&t=30s Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Oh christ Rogue One is way better than any of the prequels just by virtue of looking phenomenal. When I saw Episode 2 the other day, after watching Rogue One - one particular scene jumped at me. The scene with Obi Wan talking to some alien chef at a loving diner. Everything in the older Trilogy - from the architecture to alien designs - looks like it takes place in something uniquely "Star Wars". Then in Episode 2, you have this whole scene where Obi Wan gets the info about the cloners from a chef alien in a 50's diner, surrounded by other CGI and make-up aliens, and it's so loving JARRING.
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Soggy Cereal posted:I disliked the movie at first watch. The level of fanservice is just absurd and gratuitous, like almost as bad as Chewie and Yoda being friends. Like others said, I was looking for more character development. I thought the first third was too slow. This is great, I think you hit the nail on the head. The movie is much more akin to a star wars novel, it fills in a backstory and setting for the main films. It's almost exactly what I wanted out of these "Star Wars Story" films. They don't need to introduce timeless classic characters they just need to expand the universe and explain the details behind the scenes and I love it.
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Caeks posted:When I saw Episode 2 the other day, after watching Rogue One - one particular scene jumped at me. The scene with Obi Wan talking to some alien chef at a loving diner. Everything in the older Trilogy - from the architecture to alien designs - looks like it takes place in something uniquely "Star Wars". I love the diner, it's such a dumb baby boomer thing that makes no sense.
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General Dog posted:Go to a normal theater Also: criticizing a thing doesn't mean you don't like that thing. I loved this movie. That doesn't mean I have to love everything it did.
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Caeks posted:When I saw Episode 2 the other day, after watching Rogue One - one particular scene jumped at me. The scene with Obi Wan talking to some alien chef at a loving diner. Everything in the older Trilogy - from the architecture to alien designs - looks like it takes place in something uniquely "Star Wars". Why shouldn't Obi-Wan be friends with the retired adventurer who owns his favorite greasy diner?
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I notice when games aren't at least 60FPS, when HDTVs have that interpolation thing turned on, and The Hobbit at 48FPS was real weird, but I didn't notice anything off about Rogue One. 
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LividLiquid posted:All theaters are digital now and I was a projectionist until that stopped being a job. I know what the gently caress I'm looking at. Okay guess I'll defer to your expertise, but as somebody with at least enough sensitivity to discern when lovely frame interpolation is on or off I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.
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Cyclomatic posted:I think we should cross reference people tying themselves in knots to assert that Rogue One is a good piece of film making with people invested in a tribal identity of being a Star Wars fan and who feel like their tribe has been attacked. I haven't seen any of the TV shows or read any of the novels, so...
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Milky Moor posted:I haven't seen any of the TV shows or read any of the novels, so... You literally post in the Star Wars EU book thread where you have posted about reading Star Wars books. Edit: Milky Moor posted:So, I'm doing a re-read of the X-Wing series. I've just gotten past Krytos Trap and there's one thing that bugs me. Stackpole seems to have pretty well established that bothans are basically humans with fur and maybe cat features? How did they go from that to goat people? "I haven't read any of the books"
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Ash1138 posted:I notice when games aren't at least 60FPS, when HDTVs have that interpolation thing turned on, and The Hobbit at 48FPS was real weird, but I didn't notice anything off about Rogue One. Yeah, the Hobbit was unwatchable for me at 48FPS but I didn't notice anything unusual about Rogue One.
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LividLiquid posted:It absolutely was running above 24 frames a second, just not all the time. It seemed to have a varied framerate, but my eyes aren't what they used to be. Yeah, thanks for confirming I'm not insane. I mean if they think variable framerate is best then that's their right, but it bugs the poo poo out of some people enough to completely take them out of the movie and I think going forwards movies should maybe list that they're doing it, alongside the movie's rating or at least be tracked on a website somewhere.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, the Hobbit was unwatchable for me at 48FPS but I didn't notice anything unusual about Rogue One. Yeah, I found The Hobbit really uncomfortable but Rogue One looks fantastic. Maybe it was something with the theater? Or if it's 48FPS they did a WAY better job with it to the point I found it unnoticable.
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I would suggest complaining to your local theater. Rogue One was uniform frame rate at mine.
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My theatre was normal and it's one of the fancy ones with Ultra AVX. It looked fine and I'm sensitive as gently caress to high fps (Hobbit looked like utter shite).
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Yeah I didn't notice that either in mine. I thought the film was absolutely gorgeous. Same for me with The Hobbit I couldn't deal. Like this is a gorgeous film. Think I'll get up and see it again.
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Wow, I'd be surprised if HFR was coming back as variable frame rate. It seems like a lot of money to invest in something that most people won't notice and a lot of the people who do notice it are gonna get annoyed with Edit: my ideal variable frame rate movie is one that's 24fps most of the time and only switches to 48 for altered reality/drug trip/adrenaline/in-the-Matrix type scenes. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Steve Yun posted:Wow, I'd be surprised if HFR was coming back as variable frame rate. It seems like a lot of money to invest in something that most people won't notice and a lot of the people who do notice it are gonna get annoyed with The last time I've seen movie in the theater that I thought was variable framerate that bothered me was Gangster Squad (also a bad movie), the ending fistfight was super high framerate, just googled Gangster Squad framerate and other people noticed that too. Ah well.
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Just got back from seeing this. Initial reaction: Compared to TFA, there were a lot more things that made me go, "Wow, I really like that!", and overall it was a significantly more creative and original movie despite taking place within certain franchise timeline constraints.....but in the end a lot of it didn't really hang together very well at all. I felt myself getting bored multiple times while the movie just dragged on, and that never happened with TFA. So mixed feelings, I guess. I really liked the opening shot of the planetary ring mimicking the opening Star Destroyer shot of ANH, and the shot with the Star Destroyer emerging from shadow amidst the backdrop of the Death Star. I also really liked Forest Whitaker as Saw Gerrera, and the way his character in this movie very blatantly draws on Kane Starkiller from the 1975 Rough Draft. Truth be told, he was the only character in this movie who left a lasting impression on me and to whom I had a significant emotional response, most powerfully during his suicide scene, where he stares down the approaching wall of death and finally disconnects his breathing apparatus, finally free from the revolutionary fervor which ironically robbed him of his humanity just as Darth Vader's imperial fervor did to him. CGI Tarkin and Leia definitely took some suspension of disbelief, but I was willing to do it and I was excited to see the way digital technology allowed these characters to come back in this form. I was less enamored of the slavishly faithful-to-the-original visual appearance of Darth Vader, which ended up just looking cheap for no real good reason--though the scene itself was top-notch, Vader's characteristically evil pun being just about the only joke in the movie that got an unforced laugh out of me. The reveal that Darth Vader keeps a bachelor pad in Hell is absolute perfection. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Yeah the more I think about it the more I really liked this more than The Force Awakens, but it's still pretty fresh. I'll probably watch it again this week.
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ImpAtom posted:You literally post in the Star Wars EU book thread where you have posted about reading Star Wars books. 
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Still have no idea what that is supposed to mean, thanks.
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I'll say the area where the movie really starts to feel its bloat is in how drat many "generic inspirational speech" scenes there are--not to mention all the technobabble-filled pointer scenes which are constantly interrupting the flow of the story and clumsily redefining the objective. (Note: I've never watched that guy's videos before in my life and have no opinion on them, it's just the only source I could find on Google explaining what a pointer scene was.)
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ImpAtom posted:Still have no idea what that is supposed to mean, thanks. Gotcha!
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ImpAtom posted:Still have no idea what that is supposed to mean, thanks. He's clearly accusing you of being a manic chicken thief.
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gohmak posted:Gotcha! Truly I have been owned by pointing out a fact.  Cnut the Great posted:I'll say the area where the movie really starts to feel its bloat is in how drat many "generic inspirational speech" scenes there are--not to mention all the technobabble-filled pointer scenes which are constantly interrupting the flow of the story and clumsily redefining the objective. I think the inspirational speech scenes fall flat to me because they don't really feel like they're coming from a specific character place so much as are just sort of there. If Jyn's big hero speech felt like a significant moment of huge character growth it would hit better, but instead it comes from her because why not? (And ironically I think "We're rebels, let's REBEL" would probably have had more impact than "rebellions are built on hope" in terms of her character, regardless of how silly it sounded in the trailer.) I donno. Maybe I need to see it again and give it more of a chance. People obviously really adore the characters and I'm not seeing it. I admit that I saw it with my little sister who loves Star Wars and she came out negative on it so that probably colors a lot of my opinions.
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Cnut the Great posted:I'll say the area where the movie really starts to feel its bloat is in how drat many "generic inspirational speech" scenes there are--not to mention all the technobabble-filled pointer scenes which are constantly interrupting the flow of the story and clumsily redefining the objective. That's just how war movies are.
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I thought it was funny that she did her inspirational speech and people were like "Nah".
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Vintersorg posted:That's just how war movies are. Not really good ones. I. M. O. ImpAtom posted:People obviously really adore the characters and I'm not seeing it. They do? The characters all seemed pretty thin to me. And it never felt like they believably built up any sort of camaraderie. When that burly dude turns to Jyn on Scarif before they all split up and says, "Good luck, little sister.  ", I half expected Jyn to be like, "....And what's your name again?" That's sure as hell what I was thinking. Here's a positive observation to balance it out. When Jyn's father is talking to Krennic in the beginning and accuses him of "confusing peace with terror" or something to that effect, that's a good line. It ties in with what Palpatine and Anakin say in Episode III about wanting only to establish "peace" in their new Empire, and it pithily encapsulates everything that the Empire is all about. It's simple but effective. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Why is it that Theoden's speech before the Battle of Pellenor Field was inspiring, but Aragorn's speech at the Black Gate wasn't? I'm not 100% sure, but my guess is that things looked a lot worse during the siege of Gondor, and you feel more of a need for a pep talk when shits going wrong. Maybe the rebels needed to be in more dire straits for a speech to feel appropriate. Also why would a bunch of hardened soldiers be looking to a 20 year old delinquent for a pep talk.
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Cnut the Great posted:They do? The characters all seemed pretty thin to me. And it never felt like they believably built up any sort of camaraderie. When that burly dude turns to Jyn on Scarif before they all split up and says, "Good luck, little sister. They seem to considering all the "every single war movie is like this!" That or people are claiming every single war movie ever has poor characterization and I think that's pretty dishonest. I mean every major criticism of Rogue One is met with "this is completely standard for war movies" and the only way I can take that is that I'm missing some significant depth and quality not present elsewhere because otherwise it seems remarkable that people are claiming everything from The Dirty Dozen to Glory is basically filled with disposable characters you're not supposed to care about because they probably die.
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I just got back from the theater. I loved a lot of the visuals, including costume store Vader. The movie really went for the ANH era aesthetic, and I think it mostly nailed it - the side burn game was strong. Really, I felt Rogue One was a huge love letter to episode 4, including Vader's awesome hell fortress, which looks like it was ripped from the very earliest EU comic books. So an A+ visually, and the story had great bones. Unfortunately, I agree that the characters were largely pretty thin - a couple scenes allowing them to chat and bond would have done wonders for the impact of the climax.
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