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I also just got back from the theater and kinda glad that none of the heroes actually live through this movie. I mean considering the movie industry these days work i was really kind of expecting to get another franchise out of these characters and they were all kinda way to bland for me to look forward to another couple of sequels with them a few years down the line. Then again maybe it's telling that a movie with 99% of a new cast of main characters that could go off to have their own,brand new unique adventures basically get erased because this is just an "in between" movie to an already established storyline that has it's own thing going on Overall a pretty good movie at least. I wonder if they had a different writing team for Rogue One/side moves than they do for the main movies? Since it seems like there were way less little quips and jokes flying around in RO than in Force Awakens. Not that movies that aren't explicitly comedies have to be super serious all the time. But at least for me it's kind hard for there to be a sense of drama or suspense in a scene when sombody has to let off a joke so that that audience knows not to take things TOO seriously. Rogue One had a pretty good balance of that, although Did Vader really have to get a quip in? Darth Vader of all people shoulden't joke around. Clearly the scene where he's kicking rear end at the end was an apology and i whole heartily accept 
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:Did Vader really have to get a quip in? Darth Vader of all people shoulden't joke around. Clearly the scene where he's kicking rear end at the end was an apology and i whole heartily accept I dunno, "Apology accepted, Captain Nita" was a pretty good joke. Maybe this movie just needed a better Vader quip? Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Saw Rogue One tonight, and I really think the movie was awesome and thrilling. I had it spoiled for me beforehand, but knowing the ending didn't change anything and made the character's arcs pretty exciting. It honestly felt like a "Knights of the Old Republic" movie, in the sense that these types of characters had never really been covered in the Star Wars movie universe. The first 30 minutes were a little jarring since the movie jumped from location to location, but once it focused on a few characters (Jin, rebel commando guy, sassy robot/HK-47) it settled in nicely. I honestly liked the fact that the main cast was diverse and mixed, since it made me think that anyone in the movie could be heroic regardless of their past. Highly recommended, but I was a little freaked out at the CGI reconstructions of the original movie characters.
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Dec 18, 2016 09:27
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Steve Yun posted:I dunno, "Apology accepted, Captain Nita" was a pretty good joke. Maybe this movie just needed a better Vader quip? There's a difference between that and literally looking backwards into the camera and telling somebody not to choke after choking them.
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Dec 18, 2016 09:30
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ImpAtom posted:Still have no idea what that is supposed to mean, thanks. He's getting a hen. That's all they ever told me, anyway.
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Dec 18, 2016 09:38
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I wish we could have seen more of that Rings of Kafrene asteroid trading station. That looked pretty dope.
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Dec 18, 2016 09:41
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Lame Vader quips feel right if you remember that it's supposed to be Hayden Christensen under the helmet.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Lame Vader quips feel right if you remember that it's supposed to be Hayden Christensen under the helmet. You know, this is the best rationalization for it I've heard yet.
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Dec 18, 2016 09:44
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It is known that Skywalkers are dorks.
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Be careful not to choke on your aspirations   Tarkin's CGI was very good but loving lol if you or your friends didn't realize it was very clearly CGI.
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Dec 18, 2016 09:52
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ImpAtom posted:You know, this is the best rationalization for it I've heard yet.
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ImpAtom posted:They seem to considering all the "every single war movie is like this!" That or people are claiming every single war movie ever has poor characterization and I think that's pretty dishonest. I mean every major criticism of Rogue One is met with "this is completely standard for war movies" and the only way I can take that is that I'm missing some significant depth and quality not present elsewhere because otherwise it seems remarkable that people are claiming everything from The Dirty Dozen to Glory is basically filled with disposable characters you're not supposed to care about because they probably die. You watch Platoon and try telling any of the characters apart or remembering their names. Compared to most war movies Rogue One's characters are very colorful, distinctive and well developed. Perhaps you're not too familiar with war movies? The focus is not on richly drawn characters. The characters develop through their actions in the war. And i'm being honest, i'm speaking from the heart here I promise you
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mikemil828 posted:Well it's not surprising. You know that supposedly awesome shot of the Star Destroyer coming out of the shadow of the Death Star's dish? If we can find whatever anime this is based off of like Victory Gundam is to Force Awakens that would own. Macross is an obvious inspiration, but the plots are wildly different.
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Dec 18, 2016 10:08
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Tarkin & Leia looked weird to me, but not, like, inhuman? I had presumed digital de-aging or excessive makeup or something (I didn't know the Tarkin actor had died but I also don't know why I would think a dude who was old in the 70's would be alive now). Learning it was all 100% CGI later actually impressed me. It was noticeable but I didn't feel like it was bad
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Wandle Cax posted:You watch Platoon and try telling any of the characters apart or remembering their names. Compared to most war movies Rogue One's characters are very colorful, distinctive and well developed. Perhaps you're not too familiar with war movies? The focus is not on richly drawn characters. The characters develop through their actions in the war. And i'm being honest, i'm speaking from the heart here I promise you I am extremely familiar with war movies so no. Most war movies to have disposable or less-important characters but balance them out with more significant characters as well. In terms of who I can remember, Taylor, Barnes, Wolfe, ect. (And I could probably remember more if I'd seen Platoon more recently.) Frankly I'd have to say that you're the one not familiar with war movies if you're saying that. Like straight-up what you're saying is wrong. There are war movies that are specific character studies but even the ones that are not attempt to develop the characters as best they can, if just to add more significance and meaning to their deaths by giving these poor disposable people actual depth. Saying that Rogue One's characters are better developed than most war movies is beyond ridiculous. The fact that you can't tell the characters apart in Platoon is bewildering to me.  I would figure you'd at least be able to name the major characters.
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Dec 18, 2016 10:23
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It seems to be that those who knew Tarken would be CGI were predisposed to disliking it. But not in all cases. Tarken vs Leia is like the new black/gold dress.
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The second half of Rogue One is plotted like an early 70s war movie in the wake of the Dirty Dozen. Tarkin looked weird, but it didn't take me out of the movie. I thought it was a lookalike with CGI touchup, not a completely crafted Cushing.
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Ash1138 posted:3PO and R2 being at the secret rebel base means that Leia's ship was at the secret rebel base so when the ship is captured in A New Hope, Vader has a whole ship of people who know where the rebel's secret base is at (the same goes with the rebel flagship that is disabled and boarded). So much for Leia being the only link to finding the secret rebel base. That's what bugged me about it. "It's a jungle planet." "Where?!" "...I dunno, the Princess punched the coordinates into the computer when we went there."
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That Disney even wanted to edge that close to the uncanny valley is insane and because of it everyone talks about how Moff Tarkin looked but hardly anyone comments on how he sounded. I thought the actor who played the role did a pretty stellar job sounding like Peter Cushing and even better than the guy who voices him on Rebels.
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Dec 18, 2016 10:50
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I loved the movie. The only thing I hated about it is the fact that it ended. I loved the more realistic style and the ruthlessness of the Rebellion when it came to the Empire. I loved the new characters, particular fav was Admiral Raddus. I knew I would love the style after the first scene with the robot on the hill. Rocksicles fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Dec 18, 2016 11:11
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While the characters were not explored in depth I found them largely likable, with the gestalt character of the team as a whole quite effecting. The films got a bunch of problems in my eyes, and while a handful more bonding scenes wouldn't have hurt, not everything needs to be a character study.
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After seeing it a 2nd time I enjoyed it a lot more. I could pay attention better - some of the words were hard to hear over the explosions and engines and laser blasts. The emotional scenes played better when I didn't have to spend time from the battles a few moments before. I think the music played a part of this- it was the worse thing of the movie. Dear Disney- STOP USING MARVEL MUSIC. The movie could have used +some more comments from the ex-temple guardians calling out the other party members. I thought Tarkin was fine. His face is pretty damm distinctive and I didn't have any issues with it. Leia was ok but I think her eyes were too bright with hope. The end of the movie clearly shows don't use a party of nothing but rogue's and don't ever split the party.
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Guess l'll weigh in on the Tarkin thing, since everyone else is. I could tell he was CGI, there were a couple moments where the facial animation wasn't perfect, but he looked fine, and wasn't ruinous
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jivjov posted:Guess l'll weigh in on the Tarkin thing, since everyone else is. I could tell he was CGI, there were a couple moments where the facial animation wasn't perfect, but he looked fine, and wasn't ruinous I've seen opinions ranging from not being bothered at all to "this was a horrible thing that ruined the movie" so at the very least I think we can agree that it's a good thing that the tech is getting to the place where there's a mixed reaction, and not a Polar Express "oh god what is this horror show" reaction. I expect that it won't be long before we look back and think "wow, that's what we did for that effect?" like how the visual effects for the original trilogy just can't hang with what we can pull off now, but can still be enjoyed.
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Disney is making progress on their de-aging/CG makeup at least. Tarkin and Leia looked way better than CG Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy. As for Rogue One as a whole, I liked it. The Force Awakens is the better new-era Star Wars movie imo, mostly because its script is tighter and I like the characters more. I feel like Jyn's character got absolutely shredded in the reshoots based on the trailers, and the movie suffered for it. As much as I love Felicity Jones, Jyn was a pretty weak and bland protagonist in the final cut. I wanna see the original cut of Rogue One 
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People talk about "speech scenes" but there are really only two lines of dialogue by Jyn in two different settings that qualify, and no one is really pumped up by it. You would notice it more if they weren't there, I think. With that said, I think the line "Rebellions are built on hope!" is ridiculous. What other things do we call "rebellions," other than The Rebellion in Star Wars or disobedient children? Anything like it in real life is called a revolution. What other rebellions are there within Star Wars, even? What makes Jyn and Cassian experts on all rebellions? And rebellions are certainly not built on hope, not as much as they are built on anger and dissatisfaction. The line would be much better if it was more like the tagline. They should say "The Rebellion is built on hope." Someone probably covered this already, sorry.
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Soggy Cereal posted:What other things do we call "rebellions," other than The Rebellion in Star Wars or disobedient children? Anything like it in real life is called a revolution. I don't particularly like the line but there's nothing wrong with calling it a rebellion.
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I mean it is also literally called the Rebel Alliance
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Man, this felt fresh. It's great seeing new characters and actors (of all kinds of ethnicities) in the Star Wars aesthetic, down to the stupid little dudes stuck in towers with a radar gun to make sure the rebel pilots don't break the speed limit. CG Cushing wasn't a big surprise since someone had mentioned "the best performance comes from an actor dead since '93", but he looked really convincing. I was kind of distracted during his scenes though, and surprised how much he shows up. The movie had weak points, Jyn definitely felt underused, but all in all I was pretty glued to the lovely budget Imax screen. 3D again made it noticeably darker and hard to make out at times. Giacchino sampled his Star Trek score again. Ending was a real holy poo poo sequence. I was very glad no one told Jyn "me and these other guys from Botha will help you!"
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Given that "many bothans died" getting information about the second Death Star, I agree.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Lame Vader quips feel right if you remember that it's supposed to be Hayden Christensen under the helmet. never thought of that  ImpAtom posted:You know, this is the best rationalization for it I've heard yet.
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I saw this yesterday and I loving loved it. Everything about it was good but I particularly loved ramming the disabled Star Destroyer to SLICE THE OTHER STAR DESTROYER THEN COLLAPSE THE SHIELD. That entire sequence was loving beautiful. And Vader's fight was god damned terrifying. Showing him as this unstoppable force that just walks towards you and there's nothing you can do about it was awesome. I knew the plans had to make it up but they really did a good job of how close the whole thing was from failing.
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I loved the space battle - finally, another good star war after thirty three years of waiting. After being thoroughly bored by The Force Awakens I was worried that maybe I'd outgrown Star Wars. Turns out that no, I haven't grown up at all.
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That was a good movie. Well written and acted. None of the new characters were as memorable as some of the original trilogy, but it doesn't matter because story was engrossing and the stakes/tension were really high. It was the best-acted movie of the series by far. The numerous callbacks to the original movies were mostly subtle and worked well. I didn't expect a war/spy movie set in this sci-fi universe but I'm sure glad I got it.
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I just want to go back and admire all of the scenes of the Death Star being menacing.
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CGI Tarkin looked so much better than CGI Leia because Cushing is such an uncanny looking fellow anyway.
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One of the first things I thought after seeing the CGI Leia was, "When will this be used for porn." Not, "When will super-realistic CGI be used for porn," but, "When will there be porn of super-realistic 1977 Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia?" I thought that Tarkin and Leia only broke down when they spoke. I guess that's the major limitation of the technology right now. And I agree with those who say they should have simply used a lookalike actor for Tarkin. I would have bought in much more easily. BTW, is anyone using this technology to replace only part of the actor's face, rather than the whole thing? Fake eyes and speech are dead giveaways, so maybe replace just the nose, cheekbones and jawline, for example.
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jivjov posted:Given that "many bothans died" getting information about the second Death Star, I agree. They did? That's me schooled, I guess. It's been too long since I saw the originals.
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There's more than one Bothan? I thought it was just Manny.
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If the empire was going to build it without him why didn't they just build it without him
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