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Waffles Inc. posted:they needed a way to explain a weakness in the Death Star that didn't need explaining. That's the whole movie really. c.f. Tantive's story making less sense now than before the explanation.
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Arglebargle III posted:Personally I thought this was a bad Star Wars movie. If your idea of Star Wars is family friendly swashbuckling adventure in space, definitely. It was a war movie behind enemy lines with Mujahideen insurgent aliens. If anything I was disappointed with is that they totally didn't run with the extremist rebel angle. First 30 minutes show the alliance as kind of nefarious and then you get Saw who mentally tortures people and breaths through a mask like Darth Vader but that's swept aside pretty early.
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Dec 18, 2016 18:56
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I'm trying to remember what happened in the scene where Chirrut walks through the gunfire - do we see what he hears, or was that just implied? It seemed unclear whether he had powers beyond Ultra Ears, I almost expected the camera to crane above him and show the laser bullets bending around him or just missing him, to demonstrate his ability. The bit in the jail cell made it seem like he was going to meditate it open, or that there'd be some business about that, but instead someone just jams a stick in the lock and it opens, which was kind of anticlimactic. He's constantly explaining this. He doesn't have any abilities, he's just really in-tune with the force.
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Dec 18, 2016 18:58
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I mean, I was fine with it, it just seemed like a missed opportunity of emphasis that could've been fun. He's no Jedi. The scene simply puts a strong emphasis on the "all is as the Force wills it" belief. Pulling that master switch was Chirrut's destiny. If we're to believe in this all-powerful energy in the universe, Chirrut's purpose in life lead up to that point through the will of the Force. That's likely why he was able to walk through all the laser blasts unscathed. As soon as he pulled the switch, he dies and becomes one with the Force.
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Dec 18, 2016 18:59
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al-azad posted:If your idea of Star Wars is family friendly swashbuckling adventure in space, definitely. It was a war movie behind enemy lines with Mujahideen insurgent aliens. If anything I was disappointed with is that they totally didn't run with the extremist rebel angle. First 30 minutes show the alliance as kind of nefarious and then you get Saw who mentally tortures people and breaths through a mask like Darth Vader but that's swept aside pretty early. This encompasses a lot of my problems with R1 is that it's almost unrepentantly safe. There were no surprises and nothing interesting happens. There aren't even interesting alien environments. It feigns at "darkness" and "grittiness" without ever being as dark as the prior films. It pulls every single punch and hides behind predictable and unearned character moments They're hugging on the beach He dies in slow motion Bad guy gets surprise murdered "Too extreme" rebels are killed Vader chokes someone It's rote as gently caress
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Dec 18, 2016 19:01
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Steve2911 posted:One thing that did bug me. Having the 'Long time ago' card at the start, but not following it with the classic STAR WARS text crawl. It felt off. I missed the opening fanfare, but not the crawl. The crawls were always kind of goofy. The opening of the film really really could have used a few big scoops of John Williams though. The soundtrack was the most disappointing part of the film for me.
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Dec 18, 2016 19:02
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Steve2911 posted:He's constantly explaining this. He doesn't have any abilities, he's just really in-tune with the force. That makes sense, I just didn't know how someone could be in tune with the force without having the force. I thought the midichlorians did it or something. the midichlorian is the powerhouse of the cell
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Dec 18, 2016 19:02
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I would have preferred to see the radical, extremist Jyn Erso over the watered down version we got in the final cut. The radical extremist Jyn might have had a solid character arc.
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Dec 18, 2016 19:03
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Magic Hate Ball posted:That makes sense, I just didn't know how someone could be in tune with the force without having the force. I thought the midichlorians did it or something. Yet another reason to ignore the prequels.
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Dec 18, 2016 19:09
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Entropic posted:I missed the opening fanfare, but not the crawl. The crawls were always kind of goofy. The opening of the film really really could have used a few big scoops of John Williams though. The soundtrack was the most disappointing part of the film for me. Literally everything about Star Wars is goofy, that's a really weird complaint.
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Dec 18, 2016 19:12
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They should never have cut the "DIS A REBELLION, INNIT? I REBEL!" line, and they should have left Jyn as a member of the Space Mujahideen.
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Dec 18, 2016 19:16
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DeimosRising posted:Literally everything about Star Wars is goofy, that's a really weird complaint. I don't hate the crawls, I just don't miss it much when it's not there.
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Dec 18, 2016 19:19
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Was anyone else expecting the fancy metal handle on the blind guy's staff to turn out to be a concealed light saber?
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Dec 18, 2016 19:20
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Rabelais D posted:I loved the space battle - finally, another good star war after thirty three years of waiting. My minor criticism of the space battle is that the two Star Destroyers guarding the shield gate were never an active threat or really did anything convincing to support the fight. I wish they had been a pair of Victory class ships, which would have made the entrance of Vader's ISD more dramatic. 
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Dec 18, 2016 19:21
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withak posted:Was anyone else expecting the fancy metal handle on the blind guy's staff to turn out to be a concealed light saber? YES Have his gunner friend tease him about carrying around one with a broken crystal. "You'd have to be a Jedi to get that garbage working again. Give up the religion, we were wrong." Have it feebly ignite in the chanting scene just enough for his staff swings to deflect the shots Star Wars Kid style. And just for kicks make him fade away at death. One of the worst things about the series is the inborn-superheroness of Jedis. Martial arts and war movies might lean on the genius or excellent training of a given protagonist but they rarely present such a rigid caste system. The monk could have been a well-earned gently caress you to emotional hereditary magic users by showing what devotion and focus can do. Analytic Engine fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Dec 18, 2016 19:34
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The Geonosian designs were incomplete, and had a gap labeled "Exotic power supply goes here." Also all the hallways were designed for bugs instead of humans, so those had to be altered. Galen Erso, a specialist in energy research, was brought on to fill in the gaps. The Imperials named it because obviously they couldn't use the Geonosian name - the Geonosians were on the Separatist side, not the Republican side. At some point during his later work, he realized that he had already provided the critical insight, and that if he defected, they would soon realize they could do it without him, but they hadn't realized it yet. Where's my No-Prize?
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Dec 18, 2016 19:37
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BrianWilly posted:The more I think about the overall storyline of this film, the more I appreciate the...audacity of it. I think this is the most substantial affirmation of the KoTOR2 approach to Star Wars that we've gotten yet. I've never played KOTOR but this interpretation rings true to me. The Force doesn't give a poo poo about anyone that isn't a Skywalker, or tangentially related to furthering their cause, and the overall goal was always "restore balance to the Force" (which is not synonymous with "take down the Empire'). In the context of this analysis, it makes all the sacrifices in R1 even sadder, because all these people got put through a meat grinder just to get Luke and Leia in the position to play their role and TFA shows that they even hosed that up.
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Dec 18, 2016 19:47
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Analytic Engine posted:YES Please never make a movie.
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Dec 18, 2016 19:56
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Neurolimal posted:The insinuation is that it reflects worse on you for looking up someones post history to confirm your belief than for someone to read a book and post about it That would be true if I didn't post in that thread and thus had to execute the dangerous act of 'remembering a thing someone said.'
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Dec 18, 2016 19:58
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Stumpus posted:Putting flippancy aside, I could see the Clones death Star plans as more of a concept while Mads character actually figured out how to make the laser work. Yeah; that's literally what happened Edit: Holy forgot to refresh batman
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Analytic Engine posted:YES This is loving awful.
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Dec 18, 2016 20:04
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:I've never played KOTOR but this interpretation rings true to me. The Force doesn't give a poo poo about anyone that isn't a Skywalker, or tangentially related to furthering their cause, and the overall goal was always "restore balance to the Force" (which is not synonymous with "take down the Empire'). In the context of this analysis, it makes all the sacrifices in R1 even sadder, because all these people got put through a meat grinder just to get Luke and Leia in the position to play their role and TFA shows that they even hosed that up. Thanks for bringing this post up, it was a nice little read on things. It's a million times better than any line drawing Kurosawa screenshot comparison cumstain in this thread.
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Dec 18, 2016 20:11
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Entropic posted:Yet another reason to ignore the prequels. This is nonsensical. The prequels do nothing to disprove the notion that a non-Jedi can be in-tune with the Force. In fact, they all but explicitly endorse the idea. Steve2911 posted:Thanks for bringing this post up, it was a nice little read on things. It's a million times better than any line drawing Kurosawa screenshot comparison cumstain in this thread. Ah yes, the old "God is a loving dick, Mrs. Henderson!" *storms out of Sunday School class* interpretation. A creative, original, and thought-provoking reading. In reality, the reason everything happens the way it does is that that's how these stories go. Of course the characters don't die until after they've fulfilled their plot function. You could do this with an untold number of movies. What's really happening is that these people are willingly going on what well may be a suicide mission, and by appealing to the Force they are granted enough of a reprieve to at least give their lives some meaning. They chose to take these risks. The Force didn't manipulate them into anything. A major theme of Star Wars is that you have a destiny, but you can choose whether or not to fulfill that destiny or not. The choice is on you. Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Dying in Star Wars really isn't the end in Star Wars. If you trust in the Force and let it guide you and you ultimately end up getting blown up as a result right after then it's heavily implied you get to become one with the Force when you leave the physical realms of the Galaxy Far Far Away... That's your reward for throwing the switch or sending the transmission or holding off the legion of stormtroopers or fighting the Evil Galactic Empire your whole life. You become part of the energy field that surrounds, penetrates and binds the universe together.
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Dec 18, 2016 20:22
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AndyElusive posted:You become part of the energy field that surrounds, penetrates and binds the universe together. In my experience, a lot of Star Wars fans think this is a punishment.
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Dec 18, 2016 20:24
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Cnut the Great posted:In my experience, a lot of Star Wars fans think this is a punishment. Hell it's almost the entire reason why Anakin even turns to the Dark Side.
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Dec 18, 2016 20:26
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AndyElusive posted:Hell it's almost the entire reason why Anakin even turns to the Dark Side. Yes, and another reason it makes no sense to say "The Force only cares about the Skywalkers" is because the Skywalkers also pay a terrible price in the course of pursuing their destinies. Luke loses his family. Leia loses her family and her entire world. Anakin loses his life. Death is just a natural thing that happens. Sure, to a certain reasonable extent it should be avoided, but to view it as some sort of absolute evil that puts the lie to the Force's benevolence is just wrongheaded.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:That makes sense, I just didn't know how someone could be in tune with the force without having the force. I thought the midichlorians did it or something. Missing the point.
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Gonna head to IMAX this afternoon to get a poster. Saw it in 2D on Friday and people are saying Tarkin is more believable in 3D, but I'm not holding my breath. Someone mentioned Charles Dance and I almost would prefer that. Really disliked the Tarkin CGI. ILM animators just don't understand what it means to be a classically trained English actor, especially for the camera (as opposed to theater stage). Thinking back on the Vader scenes I still love them. I really believed the writing as that of a more experienced but still kinda bratty Anakin Skywalker.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Saw it in 2D on Friday and people are saying Tarkin is more believable in 3D, but I'm not holding my breath That's probably because everything looks equally unbelievable and hideous in 3D.
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Dec 18, 2016 20:43
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Steve2911 posted:That's probably because everything looks equally unbelievable and hideous in 3D. Properly executed, the only problem with current 3D technology is the way it tints the screen darker. I'll never understand what's so supposed to be so "hideous" about realistic depth and dimensionality, which 3D has certainly achieved at this point.
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Dec 18, 2016 20:46
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Cnut the Great posted:Properly executed, the only problem with current 3D technology is the way it tints the screen darker. I'll never understand what's so supposed to be so "hideous" about realistic depth and dimensionality, which 3D has certainly achieved at this point. I've yet to see a 3D film that didn't look like a pop up book. Characters and objects are flat cardboard cutouts against a backdrop. It can be an impressive trick in some instances, but I've never, ever walked out of a screening thinking 'I'm glad I saw it in 3D'.
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3D is a pretty lovely gimmick and I hope it dies out soon. It's just another way to bilk some extra money out of people, and you get to watch a crappier version of the movie for that extra cash.
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Dec 18, 2016 20:56
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Steve2911 posted:I've yet to see a 3D film that didn't look like a pop up book. Characters and objects are flat cardboard cutouts against a backdrop. It can be an impressive trick in some instances, but I've never, ever walked out of a screening thinking 'I'm glad I saw it in 3D'. Doctor Strange was pretty bonkers in 3D.
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Serf posted:3D is a pretty lovely gimmick and I hope it dies out soon. It's just another way to bilk some extra money out of people, and you get to watch a crappier version of the movie for that extra cash. I don't mind it existing or being charged extra for it. What I mind is that it's basically killed IMAX. Seeing a movie in IMAX without also seeing it in 3D has been virtually impossible for years now.
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Arglebargle III posted:Missing the point. To go on a somewhat bizarre tangent about my viewing experience and Donnie Yen's presence in this movie: I went to see it last night with a group of my friends. One of my friends' girlfriends is one of those people who actively goes looking for reasons why any given piece of media might be minorly problematic in any way whatsoever, and the first thing she said when we got out of the movie was how "offensive" she found it that they gave "the Asian character" a "stereotypical Asian accent." I didn't know how to respond. How can a person be so utterly ignorant in such an exasperatingly and actually offensive way? I just had to get that off my chest since I couldn't really vent about it to my friend group last night without causing drama. Steve2911 posted:I've yet to see a 3D film that didn't look like a pop up book. Characters and objects are flat cardboard cutouts against a backdrop. It can be an impressive trick in some instances, but I've never, ever walked out of a screening thinking 'I'm glad I saw it in 3D'. The execution must have been incredibly incompetent, then. I've mostly only ever see anything in 3D when I've gone to see one of the big Disney blockbusters, and the execution of the 3D effect, if not the movies themselves, has always been top-notch, in my opinion (except for the screen-darkening effect, which needs to be addressed). Full disclosure, I didn't see this movie in 3D because my friends didn't want to pay extra. Have you seen Hugo in 3D?
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Dec 18, 2016 21:01
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Steve2911 posted:I don't mind it existing or being charged extra for it. What I mind is that it's basically killed IMAX. Seeing a movie in IMAX without also seeing it in 3D has been virtually impossible for years now. This pissed me off when I went to see Pacific Rim in IMAX. The only showing was in 3D. I settled for a regular screen in 2D instead. You couldn't pay me to watch a movie in 3D.
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Gravity was the only time I can remember not regretting seeing something in 3D. I strictly avoid it now.
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Cnut the Great posted:Have you seen Hugo in 3D? No actually, I only ever saw it on Blu Ray. I'd definitely be interested in seeing it in 3D, but it's pretty apparent that designing it around 3D viewings damaged the 2D experience. That was a product of its time though, and I very rarely these days sit thinking 'that was made to look awesome in 3D *sigh*' in a cinema.
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