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"Cost of Living" is a great episode. As are all episodes that involve Lwaxana Troi.
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Pakled posted:What, you never said to yourself "I love Worf's son and I love Troi's mom... I just wish they'd use them both at once" Please do not leak my upcoming slash fiction novella
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Dec 19, 2016 22:07
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I've found people's opinion on Lwaxana is almost entirely down to age. Olds like me have come to really like her and sympathise with her, specially after her DS9 development. Young folk find her annoying and dumb. Heartless people of any age also share that opinion.
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Baronjutter posted:I've found people's opinion on Lwaxana is almost entirely down to age. Olds like me have come to really like her and sympathise with her, specially after her DS9 development. Young folk find her annoying and dumb. Heartless people of any age also share that opinion. Lwaxana herself isn't the problem of Cost with Living. It's the holodeck program that she creates.
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Dec 19, 2016 22:13
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Lwaxana is great, if only because she forces the TNG crew to react like normal human beings instead of the standard "enlightened 24th century elite".
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Lwaxana is great, if only because she forces the TNG crew to react like normal human beings instead of the standard "enlightened 24th century elite". Exactly. It's like when Q rolls in and goes, "Why are you people acting like such weirdos? This universe doesn't make any sense!"
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Dec 19, 2016 22:41
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I just want to get in on the Lwaxana love. She is great and even in the poor episodes she was in, it was not her that made them that way.
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Dec 19, 2016 22:51
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Baronjutter posted:I've found people's opinion on Lwaxana is almost entirely down to age. Olds like me have come to really like her and sympathise with her, specially after her DS9 development. Young folk find her annoying and dumb. Heartless people of any age also share that opinion. I will admit, she's funny and I like how Majel played her and she was good in DS9, and she had one good episode in TNG (the one where she's in love with the guy from the Logan's Run planet) but the rest of her TNG appearances are like a vortex of bad writing.
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Dec 19, 2016 22:53
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Lwaxana is generally entertaining but she's not like screamingly funny the way some of the writers seem to have thought. She's just weird and inappropriate, which can be funny or not depending on how good the setup is. I'd rather watch an episode about her than Vedek Bareil, but I'd have a hard time naming a Lwaxana episode that I really like. At best they're silly fun.
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Dec 19, 2016 23:36
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I don't even think she's weird and inappropriate. All the men on the Enterprise D are just staid uptight sticks in the mud aside from Riker. Every one of them to the last pretty much clams up and goes all goony the second a hint of sex appears.
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Dec 19, 2016 23:47
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Also Troi is such a poo poo to her mom. It's just constant eye rolls and deep embarrassed sighs like she's some lovely teenager being asked how school was. "uhhhgg mommmmm you're SO embarrassing!!! I'm trying to look cool and professional in front of my friends!"
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remusclaw posted:I don't even think she's weird and inappropriate. All the men on the Enterprise D are just staid uptight sticks in the mud aside from Riker. Every one of them to the last pretty much clams up and goes all goony the second a hint of sex appears. Wesley had sex with both Alyssa Milano and an interdimensional space-dude
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Yeah, Lwuxana's great because she makes you realize the extent to which most of the crew is a bunch of repressed uptight weirdos. Lwuxana actually gets to show the full range of human emotions (and usually can't blame it on space magic) while being flamboyant as gently caress and it's glorious (even if that just means she's the best part of a lot of bad episodes). Also Deanna really is the worst, but her "mother!" reactions are pretty much the most humanizing moments she ever gets on screen. I think people who hate Lwuxana mostly hate her because they genuinely like that the crew is a bunch of freakishly professional enlightened future people with muted emotions and limited self expression, whereas I've always found that to be the most off-putting aspect of the whole show.
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WampaLord posted:To me the worst episode of TNG is Cost of Living. Way worse than Sub Rosa. That episode owns, just for that proclamation.
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Duckbag posted:Yeah, Lwuxana's great because she makes you realize the extent to which most of the crew is a bunch of repressed uptight weirdos. The Enterprise in TNG era is weirdly staffed with emotional cripples. Picard is extremely reserved and can't deal with young people, Data is an autistic robot, Geordie is an autistic man, Worf is extremely rigid and serious at all times, Tasha Yar was born on the Rape Planet, Barclay etc etc.
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When I was a kid, I liked Lwaxana Troi because she was funny and embarrassed the usual crew. (It helped that I'd never really encountered the Auntie Mame character type before.) But even then I recognized that it was a good thing she only turned up once a year or so. A little goes a long way. Looking back now, I agree that the writing for her episodes was all over the place. It's hard for a normally-serious show to be deliberately funny. Sometimes they hit, sometimes they miss. This one in particular is a wonderful moment, which couldn't have been done with any other character: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ukG33mB5bw
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Dec 20, 2016 00:30
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Does the thread have a favorite non-Q recurring character? I am a fan of Also Weyoun. All of them except that whiny traitor.
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I don't know, most of Lwaxana's episodes just seem unusually badly written, even for TNG.  Broccoli owns though
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lolwut: http://shop.startrek.com/detail.php?p=1023186
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Contemporary art is a dumpster fire
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That's the kind of weird inexplicable poo poo I'd expect to see at a yard sale, or on a bad Etsy page.
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Dec 20, 2016 01:41
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Half A Life is one my favorite episodes of TNG.
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Dec 20, 2016 02:08
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Oh god I saw that at the Star Trek: 50 Years, 50 Artists exhibition! It's really creepy. 
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Dec 20, 2016 02:14
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Wow, get a brain you loving idiot. When a Vulcan is born, the grandfather immediately dies. The grandfather's imploded skull is used to store the baby until it either dies or has accepted logic as the greatest of concepts and is allowed to become a part of society. This is basic stuff.
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TheBigAristotle posted:Does the thread have a favorite non-Q recurring character? I am a fan of Shran pretty much single-handedly redeems Enterprise
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TheBigAristotle posted:Does the thread have a favorite non-Q recurring character? I am a fan of 
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Dec 20, 2016 02:50
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Maybe you should talk to Worf again.
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The thing I like about this is that he knew it was a fruitless gesture and that he'd be cloned again. Worf risked the guards killing him just to stick it to Weyoun.
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Missing the best part, Damar laughing.
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Weyoun and brunt and garak are all fantastic recurring characters and 2/3 are combs. Also shran redeems enterprise. Just put a combs on it and she'll be right. Damar is good too specially with weyoun.
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WickedHate posted:The thing I like about this is that he knew it was a fruitless gesture and that he'd be cloned again. Worf risked the guards killing him just to stick it to Weyoun. The General posted:Missing the best part, Damar laughing. This is why Worf did it. To get a laugh from Damar.
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I'm still holding out hope that Combs will get cast on Discovery.
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Combs was Brunt too? Neat.
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Kesper North posted:I'm still holding out hope that Combs will get cast on Discovery. What's the average lifespan for an Andorian?
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VanSandman posted:Combs was Brunt too? Neat. Yeah, he was in the same episode playing 2 characters once, for the first time in trek. They reaaaaaly wanted a scene where they see each other in passing and exchange a look but they didn't have time/budget.
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Doggles posted:What's the average lifespan for an Andorian? That's gonna be a huge problem for Discovery, setting it when they did. Star Trek can never resist crossing characters over, and there's a shitload of people who will still be alive from Enterprise or TOS in this era, many of whom should be prominent. Their absence will be more odd. There's no reason T'Pol shouldn't be alive. Hell, we know T'Pau is there and very powerful, if they ever go to Vulcan she's gotta show up. April will be serving as an Ambassador, Pike and the Enterprise will be in the middle of his 5 year mission (or it could be April, I suppose). The other Constitution Class starships should be active. Sarek should be a power player. Garth of Izar (lol) should be active and doing poo poo. I almost wish if they'd done a prequel it had been a reboot, because I don't trust them to include all the history they should. Enterprise jettisoned a lot of that (til the last seasons) but at least they had the excuse of "100 years before Kirk, 100 years after First Contact".
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Doggles posted:What's the average lifespan for an Andorian? Unspecified, but could easily be centuries. There's nothing preventing Commodore Shran. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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MikeJF posted:Unspecified, but could easily be centuries. There's nothing preventing Commodore Shran. He shows up in STO, finally in control of the Enterprise.
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Phlox could still be alive too. 
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Kesper North posted:I'm still holding out hope that Combs will get cast on Discovery. I'm rooting for this for the obvious reasons, but also because I want to watch this entire thread do a complete 180 on ST:D.
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