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Blazing Ownager posted:If they just added some more character development this movie would have been way better. Everyone's said it, and it's still true. Yea, I really liked the movie but it felt like they were afraid of making the characters stand out more because they all die. RLM seem more pissed at the cinema audience they saw with this rather than the movie which I think jaded their review. I also don't really think things like AT-AT walkers, Tie fighters or lightsabers are fan service and complaining about them is like getting annoyed that there's a Sherman tank in a WW2 movie. I wouldn't even say that Leia was fan service as it's a direct bridge between the films.
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The RLM Rogue One review was the guys playing armchair director with no self-awareness. Star Wars media is breaking out its previous conventions, particularly with Rogue One. RLM's suggestions sound like turning Rogue One into FA or ANH. It is strange seeing the guys do this because their prequel reviews differentiated themselves from other reviews and particularly nerdy ones because they tried to engage with the material presented. They evaluated the art as it was and only used the originals when they were directly comparable with the newer films. Fan service criticism can be used against any media with multiple installments. They did not communicate what made the fan service or references unemployable for them. Having concepts shared between films establishes consistency but in RLM's mind, it is pandering. RLM seems to be more interested in explaining what film producers were thinking, which they are just guessing, and discussing everything except the film they saw. This review is probably the weirdest one I've seen by them.
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temple posted:The RLM Rogue One review was the guys playing armchair director with no self-awareness. Star Wars media is breaking out its previous conventions, particularly with Rogue One. RLM's suggestions sound like turning Rogue One into FA or ANH. It is strange seeing the guys do this because their prequel reviews differentiated themselves from other reviews and particularly nerdy ones because they tried to engage with the material presented. They evaluated the art as it was and only used the originals when they were directly comparable with the newer films. Fan service criticism can be used against any media with multiple installments. They did not communicate what made the fan service or references unemployable for them. Having concepts shared between films establishes consistency but in RLM's mind, it is pandering. RLM seems to be more interested in explaining what film producers were thinking, which they are just guessing, and discussing everything except the film they saw. This review is probably the weirdest one I've seen by them. Their Star Trek: Beyond review brought up their opinions on what makes good and bad fan-service, something they could have done in this one without just saying, "LOL References Bad!".
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I get that the theatre experience can skew your opinion on the movie. During my watch, no one applauded or cheered for AT-ST, so I didn't mind fan-service as much, while this was the main complaint by RLM. Also, when they perfect CGI faces, they should make a special edition of R1 to update Tarkin. And also a very special edition of prequels where Christensen is replaced by a recreation of a young Sebastian Shaw. And a super special edition of the original trilogy that is the same as the first special edition, but it gets faster every time someone says 'Force'.
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Paladinus posted:I get that the theatre experience can skew your opinion on the movie. During my watch, no one applauded or cheered for AT-ST, so I didn't mind fan-service as much, while this was the main complaint by RLM. this. mine didn't either. they only laughed at jokes and maybe one or two "oh shits" during vaders hallway of death tour. clapped at the end.
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Star Wars is trash and they explained why the movie was bad. A+ review
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Baronjutter posted:A movie based on TIE fighter would be so good and it would actually probably be super popular for that reason. Follow the career of an Imperial pilot who joined up because the empire stopped a horrible civil war on his planet. He does basic navy stuff, fights actual bad guy criminals and smugglers and corrupt imperial traitors. Hell follow the plot of the game, it's probably better written than what ever disney would come up with. Never saw the trailer and honestly thought the plot of the movie was going to be about an Imperial pilot who defects and then goes on a Dirty Dozen special mission with the rebels to get the plans. Sounds like a better movie to me as Jyn wasn't an interesting character and it would give you a nice arc with the back story, motivations, escape and then attack whilst filling in the empire beyond them being jackbooted thugs. Force Awakens had much better characters but had a desperate need for something better than the loving deathstar again. Carecat fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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super sweet best pal posted:Why did they not put Katarn in this? They could've pushed the old games onto a new generation. Ideally, they would make some new, better games. When is there going to be a Rogue Leader game with whatshisface?
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super sweet best pal posted:Why did they not put Katarn in this? They could've pushed the old games onto a new generation. Are you really sure you want this? I tried playing those games for the first time recently, and now I get second-hand embarrassment whenever I see a post wishing for Kyle Katarn to be made canon. (Because he is lame.)
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Actually now that I think about it does Disney hate video games or something? It's not just Star Wars, I can't think of any games that have made use of the Avengers' popularity either.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Actually now that I think about it does Disney hate video games or something? It's not just Star Wars, I can't think of any games that have made use of the Avengers' popularity either. They have some f2p mobile games for both. I think they just farm games out to various devs, so sometimes you get a Kingdom Hearts, other times you get a Marvel Avengers Alliance.
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Does Jimmy "Switch" Smits die a horrible death on screen at least?Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Actually now that I think about it does Disney hate video games or something? It's not just Star Wars, I can't think of any games that have made use of the Avengers' popularity either. There are a bunch of Star Wars and Avengers pinball machines in Pinball FX2
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temple posted:The RLM Rogue One review was the guys playing armchair director with no self-awareness. Star Wars media is breaking out its previous conventions, particularly with Rogue One. RLM's suggestions sound like turning Rogue One into FA or ANH. It is strange seeing the guys do this because their prequel reviews differentiated themselves from other reviews and particularly nerdy ones because they tried to engage with the material presented. They evaluated the art as it was and only used the originals when they were directly comparable with the newer films. Fan service criticism can be used against any media with multiple installments. They did not communicate what made the fan service or references unemployable for them. Having concepts shared between films establishes consistency but in RLM's mind, it is pandering. RLM seems to be more interested in explaining what film producers were thinking, which they are just guessing, and discussing everything except the film they saw. This review is probably the weirdest one I've seen by them. It was amusing as gently caress hearing them complaining that kids won't like this movie because its too violent and "scary", coming from the same guys who said violent, gory movies are great for kids because it makes them want to be doctors and police officers.
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There's Lego games of all the Star Wars, that's where the money is.
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I'm not as harsh about Rogue One as the RLM guys are, but the characters definitely weren't memorable outside of the reprogrammed droid. Either make the movie 30 minutes shorter (why are all big-budget movies these days seemingly required to be over 2 hours?) or make the characters and plot more memorable. I liked it but it could have been much better.Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Ideally, they would make some new, better games.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:A Star Wars movie for Star Wars fans???!? Clearly not, since Mike and Rich didn't like it.
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get that OUT of my face posted:EA has the exclusive rights to make Star Wars games, so don't hold your breath. <remakes Battlefield: "Star Wars Edition" for the 50th time> I would kill for a new Tie-Fighter game (not just a Multiplayer Twitch-Fest) or something like Empire at War that's a little less "kid friendly" and requires actual strategy.
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Blistex posted:<remakes Battlefield: "Star Wars Edition" for the 50th time> it sounds like they are working on other stuff with other studios as well.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:it sounds like they are working on other stuff with other studios as well. <lines up 4 BB-8's in a row to collect coins>
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I am kind of surprised the guys were so down on Rogue 1. I had friends at the theater who also said they found the first half boring, and I definitely didn't, so maybe I'm just easily entertained? Either way, I thought this movie was a much more fitting and appropriate prequel than any of the ones we got, and it had the grit and detail I'd been dearly missing from Star Wars. Also, unlike TFA everyone's motivations are clear and I felt like I understood why everyone was along for the ride.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Actually now that I think about it does Disney hate video games or something? It's not just Star Wars, I can't think of any games that have made use of the Avengers' popularity either. As for Star Wars games, I wish more people took story cues for KOTOR2, but then again that game was written by someone who hated the themes of Star Wars.
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I liked Rogue One. The reason why Vader looked off in this movie is because the actor under the suit doesn't have the same proportions as David Prowse. His limbs are longer and he just sort of strolls around. The physicality of the performance isn't there and he doesn't move like Darth Vader. It's the Robocop 3 effect.
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So everyone was saying vader at the end was the best part of the movie and the RLM guys said they hated it the most? Unanimously? They didn't spell it out enough for me.
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a bone to pick posted:It was amusing as gently caress hearing them complaining that kids won't like this movie because its too violent and "scary", coming from the same guys who said violent, gory movies are great for kids because it makes them want to be doctors and police officers. Yeah, the same guys that consistently point out how one of the (many) reasons the prequels were bad was the pandering to children. Dapper_Swindler posted:this. mine didn't either. they only laughed at jokes and maybe one or two "oh shits" during vaders hallway of death tour. clapped at the end. Same. Saw it in a completely full IMAX theater on opening day. Even so, honestly, what's worse, the nerd who sees fanservice and indulges in it, fully aware of what it is? Or the nerd to has to be all contrary, "actually you can't enjoy this because its fanservice"
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temple posted:The RLM Rogue One review was the guys playing armchair director with no self-awareness. Star Wars media is breaking out its previous conventions, particularly with Rogue One. RLM's suggestions sound like turning Rogue One into FA or ANH. It is strange seeing the guys do this because their prequel reviews differentiated themselves from other reviews and particularly nerdy ones because they tried to engage with the material presented. They evaluated the art as it was and only used the originals when they were directly comparable with the newer films. Fan service criticism can be used against any media with multiple installments. They did not communicate what made the fan service or references unemployable for them. Having concepts shared between films establishes consistency but in RLM's mind, it is pandering. RLM seems to be more interested in explaining what film producers were thinking, which they are just guessing, and discussing everything except the film they saw. This review is probably the weirdest one I've seen by them. Did you not pick up on the part of the review where they hemmed and hawwed on whether Star Wars could even really work outside those conventions? That's why they brought up the Marvel movies, although there's a lot of variety in setting and character they have a fairly consistent tone which is pretty important to establish in a big franchise like Star Wars, that's what they were getting at with the part where you say they were turning it into another FA or ANH. Rogue one ends up with a strangely drab tone that, for my money, is pretty silly in lasers/space wizards land and doesn't really feel terribly convincing considering what 'know' the Star Wars universe is about. Which then feeds into the Fanservice stuff since it was pretty excessive. I don't know what they need to explain further there since its not just making connections for consistency, its going above and beyond and doing jarring and questionable things like CGI Peter Cushing+Carrie Fisher or Darth Vader's somewhat gratutious role when all these elements could have been excised relatively easily and probably would have allowed the film and characters to breath more and make their own identity without having to so explicitly lean on what's been long-established. However all these things also get people to go 'Darth Vader's in the movie? And Grand Moff Tarkin?! Wow, I wonder how they pulled that off! Better go see...'. It also creates a conflict within the film where its trying to be a bit more serious and gritty, but it just can't help but bring in crowning elements from the movies that were a lot more light and campy and parading them around. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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YOURE NOT WATCHING STAR WARS CORRECTLY STOP CLAPPING THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS
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khwarezm posted:Did you not pick up on the part of the review where they hemmed and hawwed on whether Star Wars could even really work outside those conventions? That's why they brought up the Marvel movies, although there's a lot of variety in setting and character they have a fairly consistent tone which is pretty important to establish in a big franchise like Star Wars, that's what they were getting at with the part where you say they were turning it into another FA or ANH. Rogue one ends up with a strangely drab tone that, for my money, is pretty silly in lasers/space wizards land and doesn't really feel terribly convincing considering what 'know' the Star Wars universe is about. Which then feeds into the Fanservice stuff since it was pretty excessive. I don't know what they need to explain further there since its not just making connections for consistency, its going above and beyond and doing jarring and questionable things like CGI Peter Cushing+Carrie Fisher or Darth Vader's somewhat gratutious role when all these elements could have been excised relatively easily and probably would have allowed the film and characters to breath more and make their own identity without having to so explicitly lean on what's been long-established. However all these things also get people to go 'Darth Vader's in the movie? And Grand Moff Tarkin?! Wow, I wonder how they pulled that off! Better go see...'.
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Mike: I just think the Star Wars movies I've watched a thousand times are more memorable than these new ones for some odd reason. Rogue One is therefore inferior.
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temple posted:What's wrong with having a different tone? Why is that the important thing to a series now? I address this a bit in my edit, but personally, I'm just not really sure that Star Wars can really do the kind of gritty tone Rogue One was going for. The universe, at least the movies Disney is willing to recognize, is just a bit too fun, even when they're blowing up planets. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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sweetmercifulcrap posted:Even so, honestly, what's worse, the nerd who sees fanservice and indulges in it, fully aware of what it is? Or the nerd to has to be all contrary, "actually you can't enjoy this because its fanservice" someone next to me gasping and going "oh my god they made tarkin cgi" bothered me more than cgi tarkin
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The entire third act of the movie was reasonably gritty, its honestly the first time in the entire franchise where it feels like its portraying actual war and not fun space adventures. Sure, there's no gore or anything, but they all die in the end. I mean people were accusing Disney of Disney-fying in TFA but this is a total 180. Honestly I'm having a hard time understanding how anyone who is a fan of Star Wars would dislike the third act.
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sweetmercifulcrap posted:The entire third act of the movie was reasonably gritty, its honestly the first time in the entire franchise where it feels like its portraying actual war and not fun space adventures. Sure, there's no gore or anything, but they all die in the end. I mean people were accusing Disney of Disney-fying in TFA but this is a total 180.
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Fojar38 posted:i genuinely liked the characters I'm a dummy so I kind of enjoyed more-confident-less-flamboyant C3PO
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i liked how the star destroyers looked like plastic. I wanted to dislike the movie, but really enjoyed the third act. it was a pretty bad rear end space battle. whoever made the comparison between the opening scene of Rogue One and inglorious bastards was spot on, the initial setup of the characters in Rogue One didn't make me feel too much empathy with them. but the third act redeemed the movie totally for me. A friend of mine suggested that Disney actually didn't want the movie to be too good as they didn't want it to overshadow the main features, and I suppose killing everyone is another way of ensuring that.
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JFairfax posted:i liked how the star destroyers looked like plastic. I thought of ingorious bastards a lot too because the film works because we don't know most of the characters and it has no bearing on the film. The characters represent the factions but comparing anyone to Tarantino is unfair so I didn't want to do that.
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temple posted:I thought of ingorious bastards a lot too because the film works because we don't know most of the characters and it has no bearing on the film. The characters represent the factions but comparing anyone to Tarantino is unfair so I didn't want to do that. Now I want a Star Wars movie with Eli Roth as The Bear Jedi.
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im honestly unsure what RLM wants out of star wars. the prequels were boring we didn't care about any of the characters it's supposed to be a space opera with future ninja wizards ehhhhhhhhhh TFA was too cartoony they had too many quips and callbacks ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't care about any of the characters in rogue one again I hate star wars fans ehhhhhhhhhhh I guess I'm just a shitter 'cuz I like the star wars universe so much I'll enjoy mediocre to good films about it even if it's from disney. Like I don't get how you can peg having an AT-AT/ST in a movie set right before episode IV is fanservice? IDGI. I guess its different for me 'cuz I literally didn't see the things in theaters I mostly got into the universe thru the bioware games and my parents loving the movies omg I wrote 2 paragraphs about star war!! Also, question about the ending. Is the ship that leaves that vader stares ominously at like supposed to be the same one Leia is one in the opening of IV? 'Cuz that makes the "I swear this ship is purely a harmless senator transport" sequence in A New Hope hilariously stupid in retrospect. e: just saw Arrival, it was real FRICKIN GOOD man
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