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quote:Lovecraft appeals to us primarily when we are ourselves feeling morbid. Apart from his offensively awful writing and a resultant inability to describe his horrors (leaving us to do the work -- the secret of his success -- we're all better writers than he is!) 
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I think it's less a matter of whether individual "nerdy" works map to fascist ideas, and more that currently nerds are very, very likely to embrace toxic masculinity, which leads to fascist ideas. Maybe I'm completely off-base with this, since I'm too young to remember anything I'm about to talk about, but my perception is that, up until some point in the 80's or 90's, nerd culture was basically okay with the fact that they were not traditionally masculine; that's where so much of the sexual weirdness of "golden age" sci-fi came from, an outright rejection of mainstream norms. But at some point nerd culture started valuing mainstream acceptance, and with that came a need to overcompensate for their perceived lack of masculinity. Am I on the right track here, or am I just spouting bullshit?
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Dec 20, 2016 07:26
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DStecks posted:I think it's less a matter of whether individual "nerdy" works map to fascist ideas, and more that currently nerds are very, very likely to embrace toxic masculinity, which leads to fascist ideas. There was this article going around which makes the argument that nerds were always a way for straight, cis, white males to usurp the language of oppression from the actually oppressed and shift the focus back to their own problems. It says that, insofar as they were maligned, they were maligned because other groups such as gay people or feminine men were maligned. So kind of, but perhaps irrelevant?
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Dec 20, 2016 07:29
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It really depends on the zeitgeist of nerd culture at any given time. Nerds are for the most part going to track to the same political leanings as other people of their same social and economic position. Most people who vocally identifiy themselves as nerds are little whites in terms of economic power or lack there of and right now little whites are tracting fascist like they generally do when there is a large amount of economic disparity between rich and poor. Hence nerds loving the fash.
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I've no doubt that elements of what you guys are talking about are true, but I would go as far as saying that nerd fascism is centrally about resentment towards women the rejection of classically masculine norms created a meme that nerds were unattractive to women, and once you open up that can of worms all sorts of poo poo spins out from there culturally basically what I'm saying is if being a obsessive, socially awkward weirdo meant ladies would gently caress your brains out, none of this would be happening
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Linear Zoetrope posted:There was this article going around which makes the argument that nerds were always a way for straight, cis, white males to usurp the language of oppression from the actually oppressed and shift the focus back to their own problems. It says that, insofar as they were maligned, they were maligned because other groups such as gay people or feminine men were maligned. So kind of, but perhaps irrelevant? I've read that article before and I frankly think it goes too far in reading a current trend back into the past. The notion that "As a social character, the nerd exists to deny the significance (if not the existence) of race, class, and gender oppression" is just a gigantic loving stretch. Terrible Opinions posted:It really depends on the zeitgeist of nerd culture at any given time. Nerds are for the most part going to track to the same political leanings as other people of their same social and economic position. Most people who vocally identifiy themselves as nerds are little whites in terms of economic power or lack there of and right now little whites are tracting fascist like they generally do when there is a large amount of economic disparity between rich and poor. Hence nerds loving the fash. I feel like this is what it probably comes down to. It's not nerd culture inherently as much as it is that it's a white-dominated subculture, with a disproportionate cultural voice at this point in history due to their internet savvy. Same as GamerGate didn't lead to Trump, it was just the first home-turf flareup of the social causes that would lead to Trump.
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Hah, I've thought of that a few times. Its such a terrible looking monster it'll just drive you mad looking at it! Cool so what does it look like? ..... You'll go insane!
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Nerd fascism is macho power fantasies all the way down. If i wasn't a dummy and read books I'd trace a line from Robinson Crusoe to present day. You get a story about a man using wits and force of will to overcome a state of nature, a story so popular it inspired a genre of "Robinsonades". Then you get "Edisonades" about men (and often kids, like Thomas A Swift who had an Electric Rifle) using technology to do the same, often in a more overtly colonial context. Then Heinlein takes that kind of technology into an even more futuristic setting with a fresh coat of machismo*. Ender's Game takes that moral certitude and repackages it for the kiddies. It's hard to imagine not-fascist nerd futures. Even scifi Evil Futures often end up being perverse power fantasies (a lot of people seem waaay into 1984, or Mad Max, or zombies)  Superheroes Hell, even Star Trek is about the not-military going into space and shooting or  the weird space bullshit of the week. *no idea where asimov or sagan or clarke or frank herbert would fit into this
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People have been pointing out that nerd dreams are fascism ever since the 70s.
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DStecks posted:Maybe I'm completely off-base with this, since I'm too young to remember anything I'm about to talk about, but my perception is that, up until some point in the 80's or 90's, nerd culture was basically okay with the fact that they were not traditionally masculine; that's where so much of the sexual weirdness of "golden age" sci-fi came from, an outright rejection of mainstream norms. But at some point nerd culture started valuing mainstream acceptance, and with that came a need to overcompensate for their perceived lack of masculinity. Am I on the right track here, or am I just spouting bullshit? I don't know about masculinity, but I think 'nerd culture' going mainstream is an interesting point. The Marvel Film Universe and Nolan Batman films really shot superhero franchises into mainstream culture, and I think there's always resentment when something like that happens. It's the 'I liked it before it was cool' point; a lot of people who grew up or were familiar with these things before they were widely known. Before it was this small, niche thing that you and a small group of people enjoyed, but now everybody's jumping on the bandwagon. Some people feel like they're losing part of the their individuality, or that the nuances of whatever it is in question is being sacrificed for mainstream appeal. I remember when the Nintendo Wii got popular, there was this fear that the kind of games that were typical up to that point would disappear, and the market would just be shallow, dumb-downed mini-game collection with gimmicky motion controls. To be honest, I have an issue with 'nerd' or 'nerd culture. It's the same thing with 'gamer'; it's such a nebulous term. Like, what defines you as a nerd? It's the trope/cliche that 'oh, nerds are people who read comic books and play D&D and watch Star Wars', but now that things like that are becoming more mainstream, does that still apply? To me, it's always been more of a separation between the average person and the enthusiast. A lot of people grew up playing games like Mario Bros. and Doom, and they see stuff like the NES Classic or the new Doom and think 'Oh wow, I remember playing that back in nineteen-ninety-whatever' and that's where it ends. Meanwhile on the enthusiast side, you have people lamenting the fact that the NES Classic has a limited selection of games and doesn't allow you to play more obscure titles, or are still playing Doom via source ports. People go to see The Avengers and walk out and go, 'Well, that was fun. Don't know who that big purple guy at end was.' Meanwhile, people who have been reading comics for years will recognize that it was Thanos, and try to guess what comic arcs or story-lines they'll adapt for the next film. Hell, look at this very thread. How many people do you know in your neighborhood who spend their days seeking out old, obscure movies to review on the internet? How many people make hour-and-a-half long videos talking about the problems with the story-telling in Fallout 3? In contrast, how many people who played Fallout 3 went back and played the original two games? Of all the people who spend their evening playing games like Call of Duty and World of Warcraft also watch videos analyzing the design approaches in those games, or know the histories of the developers? The average person doesn't know what kinaesthetics are, or who Derek Jarman is, or that the Hulk used to be grey. Terrible Opinions posted:Not to mention that futurism or its later permutation singularity-ism are both literally schools of fascist thought. So even just the very popular nerd fantasy of "smart people should be in charge to make everything better" inherently feeds into being fascist. If you need any further proof just check out Moviebob's twitter.    I think the election really sent Bob off the deep end. I don't like Trump either, but some of the stuff Bob has said on Twitter is kind of disturbing.
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This thread literally disgusts me. It's like LF without any modicum of irony.
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DStecks posted:I think it's less a matter of whether individual "nerdy" works map to fascist ideas, and more that currently nerds are very, very likely to embrace toxic masculinity, which leads to fascist ideas. Hasn't Gor been around since forever, though? Even without that, a lot of sci-fi is about white men colonising the universe. That's the whole era the sulky pups wanted the Hugos to return to, after all. echopapa posted:People have been pointing out that nerd dreams are fascism ever since the 70s. Oh, nice. This sounds fascinating.
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Dec 20, 2016 10:17
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Hobo By Design posted:Hell, even Star Trek is about the not-military going into space and shooting or
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Beefstew posted:This thread literally disgusts me. It's like LF without any modicum of irony. Salty Beefstew 
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Dec 20, 2016 11:13
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Beefstew posted:This thread literally disgusts me. It's like LF without any modicum of irony. 
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what is LF
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Dec 20, 2016 11:23
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So, how about those internet critics, hey? I was happy when a 'proper' Retsuprae turned up in my feed the other day. It's Gamera and it looks like a fun game that I'd like to play but the cutscenes are something else!. I say 'proper' RP because I wasn't a fan of the 'kickstarter nonstarter' videos they did, but then my autoplay kicked in and I was exposed to the glory of CageHat which is amazing. I'ma gonna watch the others today while I'm up to my elbows in sellotape and wrapping paper. Speaking of Kickstarters Guru Larry's crossover with Slopeed Games about the worst kickstarter calamities came to a head with the YogsCast Game. And two complete losers watched a lovely Hallmark christmas film VVV INTERNET CRITICS!!  VVV
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Dec 20, 2016 11:44
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not enough people talking unironically about maoist third worldism to be LF
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Dec 20, 2016 11:45
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As an agent of JDPON I'm bringing Kimble Justice doing a skype interview with one of the more notorious C64 composers: https://twitter.com/KimxxxJustice/status/809699064900186113
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Tired Moritz posted:what is LF Laissez Faire, the original incarnation of the C-SPAM/Your Candidate Sucks/ect. D&D subforum. Think FYAD but for politics. The admins nuked it years ago because something something RONDPAUL20EVENTUALLY but it came back for the election.
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Dec 20, 2016 12:42
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actually it got nuked because it made the secret service pay lowtax a visit lmao
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Max Wilco posted:
Yeah, his political opinions can get really disturbing, especially when he starts talking about how he should not have to treat people who disagree with him politically as human beings. When people who think this get into power, watch out. Anyway, Phelous will be tackling the Chrstmas Tree soon, the 1991 special BOTW watched last year.
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kaleidolia posted:Hasn't Gor been around since forever, though? Even without that, a lot of sci-fi is about white men colonising the universe. That's the whole era the sulky pups wanted the Hugos to return to, after all. Foundation is about how underappreciated engineers and mathematicians are so smart and logical that they can figure out how to predict the future and trick the powerful, vain politicians who never appreciated or dated them into starting their own better civilization while the regular one reverts to barbarism. Also there are no women in their ideal future civilization. Also Isaac Asimov was famous for grabbing women's asses and boobs at science fiction conventions.
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Max Wilco posted:I don't know about masculinity, but I think 'nerd culture' going mainstream is an interesting point. The Marvel Film Universe and Nolan Batman films really shot superhero franchises into mainstream culture, and I think there's always resentment when something like that happens. It's the 'I liked it before it was cool' point; a lot of people who grew up or were familiar with these things before they were widely known. Before it was this small, niche thing that you and a small group of people enjoyed, but now everybody's jumping on the bandwagon. Some people feel like they're losing part of the their individuality, or that the nuances of whatever it is in question is being sacrificed for mainstream appeal. I remember when the Nintendo Wii got popular, there was this fear that the kind of games that were typical up to that point would disappear, and the market would just be shallow, dumb-downed mini-game collection with gimmicky motion controls. Does he also believe that intelligence is highly heritable and that there are certain biotruths that predict the natural superiority of fat white (self-loathing, depressed, anxious, antisocial) men with big greasy ponytails?
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 People in this thread are reacting as if MovieBob's opinions are or ever were thought-out, insightful, relevant or worthy of any consideration. The man's an idiot. Just in case you need reminding, I'll leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhYMAEBOR_4 The actual 'review' starts at 6.10, FYI. gently caress it, just click any 'Game Overthinker' video.
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I was watching an HP Lovecraft Doc on youtube and it was funny how much Neil Gaiman was lovely on his prose and the comments were all "Man gently caress Neil Gaiman, what an elitist snob"  It was a fun doc though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg9VCf5einY
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KayTee posted:So, how about those internet critics, hey? Do yourself a favour type busco quandary RP into the search bar, and watch all three nonstarters.
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Has the word degenerate been thrown around on this thread yet If not, good, we should limit its use to describing codons Speaking of old news, hardcore kid is still reviewing poo poo Is it 2011 again 
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KayTee posted:
I tried to watch this.
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Violet_Sky posted:I tried to watch this. chump
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KayTee posted:
before 6:10 is, a literal summary of his story-line thus far. Even Linkara knows to be concise on those things. That video was painful as gently caress. They made Super Mario 2 in the US cause we were babies and could not handle the true SMB2. His pinned tweet for a long time was him crowing that he got that verified check-mark. One day i will do a review of his book.
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PassTheRemote posted:Yeah, his political opinions can get really disturbing, especially when he starts talking about how he should not have to treat people who disagree with him politically as human beings. When people who think this get into power, watch out Lol if you don't make potential girlfriends take the Gom Jabbar.
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PassTheRemote posted:One day i will do a review of his book. If you do, remember you brought it on yourself. No one else will be to blame. Baka-nin posted:Do yourself a favour type busco quandary RP into the search bar, and watch all three nonstarters. Thankyou so much! 
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Violet_Sky posted:I tried to watch this. I tried skipping.... was that a four-minute storyline summary? Goddamn, that poorly lit room. e: Actually, everything that features him in person seems poorly shot in general, even for internet talky videos. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Dec 20, 2016 |
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HitB: Rogue One IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jimbot posted:HitB: Rogue One Oh, they actually liked it? I'll be honest. I stopped watching half in the bag and stick to just best of the worst
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PassTheRemote posted:before 6:10 is, a literal summary of his story-line thus far. Even Linkara knows to be concise on those things. I skipped to 6:10 thinking the storyline was over and they were still talking about that stupid story. Linkara kept his storylines at the beginning and the end
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BigRed0427 posted:Oh, they actually liked it? They did not.
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BigRed0427 posted:Oh, they actually liked it? Nah, they didn't care for it that much. They didn't think the characters were memorable and the drama was only skin deep that felt forced. They also took umbrage from the tone, but I kind of expected that sort of criticism from them seeing how any deviation from expectation is considered bad or, at best, misguided. But the gags in the review itself is well worth watching it, even if you find the tone policing they tend to do tiring.
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PassTheRemote posted:before 6:10 is, a literal summary of his story-line thus far. Even Linkara knows to be concise on those things. For some reason, that summation just makes me think of the Irate Gamer "scandal" review of Super Mario 2. I'm trying to watch this actual review and he loses me within like ten seconds. Was the original Super Mario Bros really that important around the time of Super Mario 2?
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