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As much as I dislike the Electoral College... If Hillary actually loving campaigned in Wisconsin, and didn't wait til the last few weeks to hit up Michigan, the Republicans would be the ones complaining about the EC, not the Dems. Trump just won because of people's distrust and hatred for the federal government, alongside racism before anyone jumps on me. If a huge push to get rid of the EC happened now, that would only make matters worse. The EC is workable. We just had a poo poo candidate this go around, as many people tried saying but were ignored.
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Mixodorian posted:As much as I dislike the Electoral College... no i'm pretty sure the EC would still be bad even if democrats won
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Mixodorian posted:As much as I dislike the Electoral College... ...donald trump would have won PA and would still be president. seems fairly clear that ec, as of now, is tilted against democrats. our voters are poorly distributed.
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Dec 21, 2016 09:07
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The Kingfish posted:It doesn't matter because it's a terrible tactic for getting people to not think of you as the party of costal elites. bit late for that champ
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Dec 21, 2016 09:08
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Concerned Citizen posted:...donald trump would have won PA and would still be president. maybe you shouldn't hosed over everyone in the country outside of 2 cities. you don';t give a gently caress about flint, just like the liberal fuckstrains in new york.
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Dec 21, 2016 09:13
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I like how the two posters that replied to me refuse to acknowledge any blowback that would come with getting rid of the EC. It's almost like, you guys are in a bubble? I say this as someone from Manhattan.
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Dec 21, 2016 09:21
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Cyron posted:maybe you shouldn't hosed over everyone in the country outside of 2 cities. you don';t give a gently caress about flint, just like the liberal fuckstrains in new york. liberals
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Dec 21, 2016 09:23
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you're right, you should never even consider changing the EC because it might be hard and require effort. also god forbid doing it in the future, it has to be now or not at all
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Dec 21, 2016 09:25
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democrat owned by lovely globalist economic policy owning non urban coastal urban areas: the ec is bad lol
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Dec 21, 2016 09:25
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It's hard like how repealing the 2nd Amendment would be hard but even harder than that. Don't waste your time.
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Dec 21, 2016 09:26
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The Kingfish posted:It's hard like how repealing the 2nd Amendment would be hard but even harder than that. Don't waste your time. yeah, don't bother doing hard things if you can't do them easily and immediately
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Dec 21, 2016 09:27
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Or ever.
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Dec 21, 2016 09:28
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dad you should step out of the way of this bull charging straight for your nuts no son, that sounds hard plus we probably couldn't do it anyway
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Dec 21, 2016 09:31
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silly libs, its just the natural order of things that a vote in wyoming counts twice as much as a vote in california, just shows how out of touch you are that u dont understand middle america's deep seated affection for the electoral college
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Dec 21, 2016 09:31
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in fact, the very idea of not getting my balls annihilated by this charging bull makes me furious
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Dec 21, 2016 09:32
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I'm glad we elected a coastal elite globalist to be our President.
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Dec 21, 2016 09:35
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don't you understand that white midwesterners are the only true americans and that they inherently deserve more attention and power than blacks, latinos, college graduates, and coastal poors god
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Dec 21, 2016 09:37
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I also think the electoral college should be scrapped because gently caress fixing actual problems
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Dec 21, 2016 09:54
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Yinlock posted:in fact, the very idea of not getting my balls annihilated by this charging bull makes me furious democrats.txt
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Dec 21, 2016 10:03
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look the founders created the bull charge for a reason and we have to trust in their wisdom even if it means being horribly maimed.
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Dec 21, 2016 10:09
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dear god the dems are doomed
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oh my god dad are you okay yes son, though i will never walk again and peeing feels like being submerged in lava i think i will survive dad do you think we should make sure this doesn't happen again how dare you
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Mixodorian posted:As much as I dislike the Electoral College... That doesn't explain why this has happened twice in 20 years. Or why the Rust Belt aka the Reagan democrats hosed us over in 1980 with the Reagan administration. That by the way preceded the impoverishment of our educational system, more jobs disappearing in the Midwest with no replacements and no solutions, unchecked military interventionism, Iran Contra, the War on Drugs etc. etc. I know the EC isn't going anywhere. The same way racism and vote suppression aren't going anywhere. But let's not pretend our government isn't fundamentally regressive. Hillary lived through Reagan so she should not have treated the Rust Belt as if it were a firewall, but blaming it all on her like its the first time we have gotten screwed over is ridiculous too. It's a multi factorial problem.
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Dec 21, 2016 10:39
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Mixodorian posted:As much as I dislike the Electoral College... if hillary had won republicans would be complaining about blacks, mexicans, felons, dead people, and everyone else under the sun casting fraudulent ballots like they always do the electoral college would be way down there on their list of grievances
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Dec 21, 2016 10:43
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The Electoral College being garbage and stupid is kind of beside the point. It has the appearance of a bunch of talking heads screaming about changing a game they just got their poo poo pushed in at, instead of being better at the game. This doesn't matter at all if you want to peel off Republicans, but this election was won (and lost) by the sliver of the country who is actually undecided; if I'm undecided (and I am, in some respects), this is a really bad way to start your pitch to get me to vote for you. Functionally, anyway, repealing the EC and maintaining the rest of our current government is completely idiotic. If you have the political willpower to repeal it, you have the political willpower to scrap everything broken in our current system and just form a new government. Which sounds way more appealing to me.
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Dec 21, 2016 10:48
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Princess Di posted:That doesn't explain why this has happened twice in 20 years.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:The Electoral College being garbage and stupid is kind of beside the point. What if I told you... That people actually want global government change and have only chosen this issue to talk about because it is the most recent in a string of abuses by the government of its populace. That no one here believes that it will be easy, and most of us don't believe it's possible. However it bears mentioning that its presence is harmful, like many other things that we mention here daily that are harmful elements of our government. It's cool to be undecided, but maybe the whole electorate should have a voice rather than only the undecideds. We are all part of this country, and not all of us get a voice - even by vote. Now if it's merely a case of, well I'm comfortable with that. That's fine too, but lay the issue where it belongs, that the EC being a slave clause that suppresses votes just isn't that much of a problem for you. You see simply because it's fine for some people, doesn't mean it isn't harmful. That is discounting the reality of many people when it's stated that people can't even acknowledge the various ways a system is broken merely because a few people are fine with it.
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Dec 21, 2016 11:00
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Princess Di posted:What if I told you... This is a loving terrible script for a movie trailer.
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edit: lol whoops, not related to princess di post I just really liked this.
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jBrereton posted:Maybe they felt the disappointing years of Carter were not worth trying again idk though maybe they were out to gently caress up Grenada from the off lol Reagan pandered to them with lovely economic promises that were either ill informed or straight up deceitful while appealing to their xenophobia and lust for forever war. Gosh that sounds familiar... I can't quite... It's on my fingertips... Oh, right. 
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Princess Di posted:What if I told you... "Ultimately direct democracy is the only tonic to the ills of our American republic" "Sir this is a MacDonalds drive thru..."
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Imagine Rambo except Princess Di and instead a police station, it's that 14 y/o Trump supporter's office next to the fortune teller.
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Princess Di posted:Reagan pandered to them with lovely economic promises that were either ill informed or straight up deceitful while appealing to their xenophobia and lust for forever war.
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The EC is hot garbage because its main purpose is to prevent someone like Trump, and it was perverted almost instantly after its creation by the states to not fulfill that purpose. I was really hoping enough people would go faithless on Trump to get an eventual Supreme Court case rolling on the Constitutionality of states requiring their electors to blindly follow their voters' will, but it didn't happen. The original concept was actually quite genius. It's just that the states ruined it almost immediately. People bash the founders for not having perfect foresight, but having a system with an escape valve is pretty prescient.
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jBrereton posted:lol if you don't think the Hillary Campaign was just as xenophobic by the end, and was rejected because it stopped talking about jobs after Clinton nearly fuckin died on 9/11 and she decided to go on the offensive about Trump and The Russians despite the vast majority of Americans wanting peace with foreign nations, as they have always done since the Revolution. This vast majority of Americans you are talking about don't vote. Probably because they know their votes don't really count. Also we know (in retrospect) that Hillary had a flawed campaign but why is it when people talk about something else people pivot in here like Kellyanne Conway. Fun fact, her political career and influence is dead. So the point of mentioning her when talking about where to go from here is...
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Princess Di posted:Fun fact, her political career and influence is dead. So the point of mentioning her when talking about where to go from here is... Those who do not learn from history something something I dunno, American Idol is on
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Those who do not learn from history something something I dunno, American Idol is on I'm observing a selective appreciation for selective bits of history. People are willfully ignoring the connection between the electoral college and slavery but are all too willing to talk about a disgraced political family whose vision for the party is dead, and whose leadership in the party has been successfully replaced. The likelihood the dems will even run a woman candidate anytime soon has essentially been snuffed out at this point. Meanwhile the EC is still here and not going anywhere. But people prefer to stick to talking about an irrelevant political actor. Makes you think...
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Fallen Hamprince posted:silly libs, its just the natural order of things that a vote in wyoming counts twice as much as a vote in california, just shows how out of touch you are that u dont understand middle america's deep seated affection for the electoral college 3 times as much
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:The EC is hot garbage because its main purpose is to prevent someone like Trump, and it was perverted almost instantly after its creation by the states to not fulfill that purpose. I was really hoping enough people would go faithless on Trump to get an eventual Supreme Court case rolling on the Constitutionality of states requiring their electors to blindly follow their voters' will, but it didn't happen. I take your point on that. I do, I can get behind that sentiment.
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blamegame posted:3 times as much 
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