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The electoral college is bad, and complaining after the fact that you lost to it is also bad, because it makes you a sore loser. You should have said it was bad before the election began, loudly, or tried to do something to change it.
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What are you talking about she's still having lavish fundraising events for her billionaire donor network, her influence is far from dead. Also, we would not be talking about destroying the EC had Clinton won. Really makes you think and realize so many things bout the democrats. white sauce has issued a correction as of 12:41 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:What are you talking about she's still having lavish fundraising events for her billionaire donor network, her influence is far from dead. I'm sure she be back in 2020, after it's because of racism and emails that she lost the race, not any sort of bad leadership on her part
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Shut up about the electoral college, the only not stupid thing said about it was by Joe at the beginning of this conversation and apparently you all decided not to read it. If you want to get rid of the electoral college, your only possible strategy is ignoring that until you get majorities in both houses of congress and the vast majority of states. Its a non starter unless the dems fix their poo poo first, and wanting to fix it specifically so the dems DONT have to fix their poo poo and can go on making GBS threads all over a huge chunk of the country isnt just stupd and harmful to your own professed cause, its pretty despicable. drat all these bad dems in here
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Dec 21, 2016 13:07
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bad dems would rather blame the EC than focus on reforming their party and getting rid of very bad leadership. They also want to block progressives from power since they are afraid of scaring off their wall street banker donor class.
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GlyphGryph posted:Shut up about the electoral college, the only not stupid thing said about it was by Joe at the beginning of this conversation and apparently you all decided not to read it. If you want to get rid of the electoral college, your only possible strategy is ignoring that until you get majorities in both houses of congress and the vast majority of states. Its a non starter unless the dems fix their poo poo first, and wanting to fix it specifically so the dems DONT have to fix their poo poo and can go on making GBS threads all over a huge chunk of the country isnt just stupd and harmful to your own professed cause, its pretty despicable. yeh its hilarious. kicking and screaming etc neoliberals, don't you think I'd want my vote to count more? voting in hawaii means ive always been pissing into the wind, no one in loving hawaii has any sense what so ever. aside from sen inouye theres been no good hawaiian politicans ever in history and prob till the end of time. bad dems bad dems what cha gonna do? what chat gonna do when the electoral colledge comes 4 u
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Dec 21, 2016 13:13
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bump_fn posted:lmfao balog isnt even posting lol moi?
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Also, we would not be talking about destroying the EC had Clinton won. Really makes you think and realize so many things bout the democrats. Wrong, I've been bitching about the state of the EC as long as I've been able to vote.
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you know, you guys need to win elections before even thinking about making changes to the country.
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do you really think kicking and screaming and crying into your bubbles has ANY effect?
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Wait you think this conversation on this dead gay forum has any purpose other than to discuss?
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The Electoral College was designed to prevent a Clinton presidency just as much as a Trump one lol
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Wait you think this conversation on this dead gay forum has any purpose other than to discuss? frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Wrong, I've been bitching about the state of the EC as long as I've been able to vote. 
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The Kingfish posted:Do that in your own state. My state already did all of this except the Supreme Court thing which is a terrible idea. You live in Nebraska? You poor bastard.
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Dec 21, 2016 13:30
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:The EC is hot garbage because its main purpose is to prevent someone like Trump The specific purpose of the electors in the US was/is to make sure that people who weren't congresspeople said who was president, to slightly disempower Congress and ensure a tiny bit more oversight.
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Dec 21, 2016 13:49
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it is FAKE NEWS to suggest otherwise
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Rust belt voters: We need help. We need change. Liberals: WE WILL FIGHT THE VERY CONSTITUTION ITSELF TO MAKE SURE WE NEVER NEED TO LISTEN TO YOUR CRY FOR HELP Trump:  Fin Soon enough going down this path takes you to a point where the Democrats can't even win the popular vote.
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The USA was founded and exists as a collection of states. As part of making it work, it was decided that the states should compromise on their relative levels of political power to put them all on a more even footing so that the rest of American history wasn't just a few of the biggest states overruling all over the rest. It's basically affirmative action for states that are underpowered. This is fine and works fine. The Democrats coming up with a political platform that can win an electoral college majority is relatively straightforward, has plenty of precedent and is totally within their power. Changing the electoral college is a laughable pipe dream on a whole bunch of levels. I don't even know how people are so dense about this poo poo. I feel grief.
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lazorexplosion posted:The USA was founded and exists as a collection of states. As part of making it work, it was decided that the states should compromise on their relative levels of political power to put them all on a more even footing so that the rest of American history wasn't just a few of the biggest states overruling all over the rest. It's basically affirmative action for states that are underpowered. This is fine and works fine. people are still mad that the dems won the popular vote by a pretty wide margin but still couldn't cobble together enough states to win the EC, which seems nonsensical at first until you realize that means the party is incredibly out of touch with america in a geographic sense. only bad dems are arguing for getting rid of the EC, the rest of us would rather reform the party into something that can actually win
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lazorexplosion posted:Rust belt voters: We need help. We need change. Rust belt voters: There's lead in our water and all those jobs NAFTA took were only replaced with low wage service jobs and my Obamacare premiums are sucking my family dry and things look bleak as gently caress and the heroin doesn't help. Liberals: Well we can't do anything about your healthcare. NAFTA is good legislation trust us. And sure we could remove lead from your water but would that make America any less racist? Would it make it any less sexist? America is already great other than those two things!
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"Hillary! Hillary! The peasants are revolting!" "They sure are, but that isn't what the polls say!!"
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Princess Di posted:What if I told you...
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lazorexplosion posted:The USA was founded and exists as a collection of states. As part of making it work, it was decided that the states should compromise on their relative levels of political power to put them all on a more even footing so that the rest of American history wasn't just a few of the biggest states overruling all over the rest. It's basically affirmative action for states that are underpowered. This is fine and works fine. while this is an american politics thread so yeah, i still love how parochial american statechat is just reorganise your provinces geez
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Dec 21, 2016 14:24
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Peel posted:provinces REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Princess Di posted:This vast majority of Americans you are talking about don't vote. we mention her because the clintons and their third way bullshit have destroyed the left politically, and there are still clinton supporters who have power in the dnc.
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Peel posted:while this is an american politics thread so yeah, i still love how parochial american statechat is Oh man it'd be great but it'd piss a lot of people off.
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Hillary is that awful loving boss that gives you a written warning over wearing tennis shoes on casual Friday and who says that there's no way to get a raise this year as if you don't know she's a crazy overpaid nepotism case who makes more in a month than you do all year. Trump is the boss who's actively embezzling from the company and buys all his employees drinks with lunch to keep anyone from raising an eyebrow.
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Pollyanna posted:Oh man it'd be great but it'd piss a lot of people off. it would be pretty hilarious if we'd kept things as they were supposed to be: the original states keep their northern and southern borders but their western borders would just keep on extending straight out until they hit the Pacific
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resar posted:I also think the electoral college should be scrapped because gently caress fixing actual problems No, getting rid of the electoral college will totally fix everything such as the fact that Republicans control 33 governorships and 32 statehouses. And that there are 25 states where they control both plus another 2 where they have a dem governor but enough republicans in the statehouse to override a veto. All of that is the electoral college's fault.
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Changing the electoral college is a great long-term goal, but we have many other nigh-impossible herculean tasks to accomplish before it's at all feasible, and by the time it IS feasible we'll also be able to change all sorts of other poo poo that will more directly impact people's lives. What I'm getting at is that talking about it now is basically pointless.
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mugrim posted:Hillary is that awful loving boss that gives you a written warning over wearing tennis shoes on casual Friday and who says that there's no way to get a raise this year as if you don't know she's a crazy overpaid nepotism case who makes more in a month than you do all year. poo poo man talk this makes me want to go back in time and vote for Trump, dont do that.
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Like Yinlock was all "oh what's that, the crybaby doesn't wanna get rid of the Electoral College because it's haaaaard?  " and yeah the reason it's loving hard is that we don't have like a tenth of the control over state and federal governments we would need to accomplish that which is the impossible task we're TRYING to focus on tyvmlike, if you need to climb a high wall which is across a wide chasm, trying to figure out a plan for the chasm before worrying about the wall doesn't make you a coward
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GlyphGryph posted:poo poo man talk this makes me want to go back in time and vote for Trump, dont do that. yeah the metaphor only makes sense if the company is a small struggling business which COULD be using that money to buy you healthcare if it wasn't for your boss stealing it; if it's a big faceless corporation it makes Trump sound good
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loquacius posted:Like Yinlock was all "oh what's that, the crybaby doesn't wanna get rid of the Electoral College because it's haaaaard? Easy man. He's all stressed out caring for his special needs father.
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The smear campaign on Kool Keith is in full effect. http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/311270-old-finance-woes-haunt-ellisons-dnc-bid Burn and salt the earth. Serf posted:The Electoral College was designed to prevent a Clinton presidency just as much as a Trump one lol And we have empirical proof. 
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tadashi posted:The smear campaign on Kool Keith is in full effect. every time they try to make Keith seem bad, I just find him more relatable
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quote:“Look—these things happened a long time ago and sometimes young people do things incorrectly and that’s probably a large part of this. But the bottom line is, it doesn’t matter. Republicans went after Hillary Clinton for something out of law school 50 years ago in Arkansas. That’s what they do. It is a problem to have someone with baggage from the get-go.” "That is why I proudly supported Hillary in 2016 and will do so again in 2020." Like seriously, where were your loving concerns about baggage 2 years ago?
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i shouldn't talk too much given how absurd the idea of 'reorganising' the border between england and scotland would sound in contemporary britpol tbf there's some talk of an 'english parliament' like the scottish parliament and it'd be ridiculous because it'd be a parliament for like 90% of the UK
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