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Lastgirl posted:ugh I wasn't trying to poo poo on the entire group or anything since it was different 70s feminists that started pushing it to begin and it's not like there any non feminists concerned about these people and I very obviously hosed up what I was actually trying to communicate because it's definitely not what you're ranting against here, so I'm genuinely sorry. Feminists are good , and Feminism in general is good, and I did not mean to imply otherwise. I was not railing against feminism, and if it came across that way it was down to incompetence rather than intent. I think it's pretty lovely to dismiss the concerns of other less privileged feminists because they don't share your personal desires, and that's a criticism that has long been correctly aimed at many prominent feminists and I think the movement has hugely improved and made effort to hear from less powerful feminist voices and do a lot less prescribing of what it means to be a "proper" feminist because of it and that's a good thing - but this is not a criticism of feminism on the whole, and it is a criticism that when accurately applied has made feminism as a whole better imo. I think solidarity is important and it's frustrating how often and how quickly it is abandoned in pursuit of persona narrow interests and that we need to be vigilant and fight against that happening in our movements when possible since most of our greatest successes have come from when we help each other and make sure not to leave people behind. Or maybe I'm just being stupid, in which case feel free to just call me an idiot. GlyphGryph has issued a correction as of 17:48 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Feminists rule. (Unless they're white or rich)
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Al! posted:good rant. imo the worst part of idpol is the way it allows people to frame their own idpol as the neutral, rational position rather than throwing it all out entirely iirc i already went on my idpol rant about a month ago so i will refrain because theres nothing more to say
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Ace of Baes posted:Feminists rule. (Unless they're white or rich) What about the one who judo flipped cops int the 19th century?
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feminists are good people that say they support progress but dont actually are bad yw
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Al! posted:heres my list of class enemies so far also sig test
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# ? Dec 21, 2016 17:48 |
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Mariana Horchata posted:
someone give me a search term to use, I like reading idpol rants
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# ? Dec 21, 2016 17:50 |
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feminists and feminism are good fighting for what you believe in is also good ty for reading
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JEB!/Ellison 2020 MaxxBot has issued a correction as of 17:56 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Lastgirl posted:leftists are loving crazy i am so loving lost can we not just agree on core principles like "gently caress sexism" and "unerringly support civil rights"
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GlyphGryph posted:I wasn't trying to poo poo on the entire group or anything since it was different 70s feminists that started pushing it to begin and it's not like there any non feminists concerned about these people and I very obviously hosed up what I was actually trying to communicate because it's definitely not what you're ranting against here, so I'm genuinely sorry. feminism itself is good, i think what you're pointing out is people being crap at implementing it
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Pollyanna posted:feminism itself is good, i think what you're pointing out is people being crap at implementing it just like communism
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Pollyanna posted:i am so loving lost All I really understand right now is that apparently a lot of people are really pissed at me for being anti-feminist and I'm not or at least I don't think/feel like I am and it's mostly just leaving me feeling really lovely and confused and if there's something I'm doing wrong I would appreciate advice on how to fix it but also maybe it's just a misunderstanding but I don't know.
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# ? Dec 21, 2016 17:55 |
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Pollyanna posted:i am so loving lost nah im afraid we're booked solid for the next fifty years with appointments to claw bloody runnels into our own faces while screaming about liberals
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paranoid randroid posted:nah im afraid we're booked solid for the next fifty years with appointments to claw bloody runnels into our own faces while screaming about liberals ughhh i hate this socialized obamacare making me wait fifty years for an appointment its just like canada
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GlyphGryph posted:You talking about the Florida guy? yeah for those not in the know, there are several people aiming for the chairmanship of the Florida DNC, and for various dumb procedural reasons they had to get elected to some minor obscure committee seat in order to be eligible there were two main contenders. one was a wealthy lawyer and real estate developer who was a Dem megadonor with deep ties to the DNC eatablishment and a complex network of nonprofits he uses to funnel donor money into candidates' campaigns. the other was a black progressive teacher and Sanders supporter who was facing heavy criticism for being pro-Palestine and was backed by Our Revolution Ellison endorsed the establishment megadonor, who then won the seat
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GlyphGryph posted:All I really understand right now is that apparently a lot of people are really pissed at me for being anti-feminist and I'm not or at least I don't think/feel like I am and it's mostly just leaving me feeling really lovely and confused and if there's something I'm doing wrong I would appreciate advice on how to fix it but also maybe it's just a misunderstanding but I don't know. basically it's a conflation of feminism as a whole vs. lovely implementations of feminism aka "white feminism", which has a track record of ignoring economic issues and PoC the problem is when you mean "gently caress the imbalanced nonrepresentative implementation of feminism spearheaded by hillary clinton and lena dunham" and say "gently caress feminism"
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they dont call it the Circular Firing Squad because the left is good at keeping its poo poo together
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# ? Dec 21, 2016 17:58 |
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Main Paineframe posted:yeah hmmmmmmmmmm :/ i wonder why. paranoid randroid posted:they dont call it the Circular Firing Squad because the left is good at keeping its poo poo together the left is a mess i've said it before and i'll say it again: at least the right wing can all agree on the core principle of "gently caress jews, blacks, women, and gays". at least they have something to unite under even if it's horrid. they sure as gently caress are more effective than the left.
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# ? Dec 21, 2016 17:58 |
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Agean90 posted:What about the one who judo flipped cops int the 19th century? If you're talking about the Lowell Mill Girls, then yes. For the uninformed: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowell_Mill_Girls
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UHD posted:feminists and feminism are good ur welcome namaste i fight for my rite to party Typical Pubbie posted:Yeah but saying "corporate feminism" won't give you the cathartic high you feel when you say white feminism and watch the look of existential guilt wash over Becky the ally's face as she gazes down at her navel in shame. Shame, Becky! Shame! Just according to keikaku, let them be distracted by that cheap and fleeting high of "I did good today." when they actually didn't. But we don't live in a fact based reality anymore so as the wise words rings true. And people still don't get why there's drunkposting nihilism going on in this subforum lmbo~ mostly because of posts like this Ace of Baes posted:Feminists rule. (Unless they're white or rich) That is a vocal minority, get over it
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anyway, to conclude, youre all a bunch of splitter revisionist mother fuckers
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paranoid randroid posted:anyway, to conclude, youre all a bunch of splitter revisionist mother fuckers
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Pollyanna posted:hmmmmmmmmmm :/ i wonder why. It hasn't actually been a good thing that the right can unite behind horrible things. nopants has issued a correction as of 18:03 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Here's something different to discuss. Talk amongst yourselves.
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Lastgirl posted:That is a vocal minority, get over it
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Main Paineframe posted:yeah
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nopants posted:It hasn't actually been a good thing that the right can united behind horrible things. it's not a good thing that they can unite under horrible things, it's that it's a bad thing that the left cannot unite under awesome things
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Pollyanna posted:feminism itself is good, i think what you're pointing out is people being crap at implementing it Feminism is good, but feminists are only human, and the only way good things stay good (and this is way beyond feminism and more for everything) is if we keep trying to improve and acknowledge the things we have done in the past and probably are still doing are actually kind of lovely for some people and we always need to get better and move further. Like hell the 70s feminists I mentioned shooting down the idea may well have even been a good thing for the movement as a whole even if it was justified in a lovely way by specific people because we can't do everything at once (even if we can do a lot of things at once) and I guess family stuff and helping parents be good and capable parents and seeing parenting as legit important (along with teaching and childcare that also get poo poo on a lot by society when all those people deserve a ton of respect) is one of my own personal issues so I end up talking about that when it seems relevant even if it's actually not and it ends up pissing people off. I honestly did not expect this level of hostility and I'm sorry for pissing people off.
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# ? Dec 21, 2016 18:01 |
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basically when you say "gently caress feminists" it is not immediately obvious whether you're a leftist or a gamergaterAce of Baes posted:A vocal minority that has hijacked Gender studies to be exclusionary wrt minority, trans, and class issues, so uhhh no? trust me this is a well-known issue and a huge point of contention w/ modern feminism. people continue to fight for intersectionality in feminism and it's kinda making inroads? but its really slow.
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GlyphGryph posted:Feminism is good, but feminists are only human, and the only way good things stay good (and this is way beyond feminism and more for everything) is if we keep trying to improve and acknowledge the things we have done in the past and probably are still doing are actually kind of lovely for some people and we always need to get better and move further. i dont mean to be hostile, i just want to try and tease out why there's hostility in the air
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# ? Dec 21, 2016 18:03 |
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Main Paineframe posted:yeah But why why Ellison why
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paranoid randroid posted:they dont call it the Circular Firing Squad because the left is good at keeping its poo poo together as if you could ever get the leftists to agree to line up in a circle like that
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someone could ask ellison why he did that
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Main Paineframe posted:yeah so is ellison bad now idgi
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Al! posted:as if you could ever get the leftists to agree to line up in a circle like that lets just sort of mill around and shoot each other in the head at random intervals then
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Pollyanna posted:are we seriously going full /pol/ and railing against feminists
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paranoid randroid posted:lets just sort of mill around and shoot each other in the head at random intervals then done, done AND done
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Al! posted:as if you could ever get the leftists to agree to line up in a circle like that Uh, if you're in a circle then, by definition, you haven't "lined up". Checkmate.
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