Bolton Hairy-Bore posted:

https://twitter.com/ArtDifficulty/status/811565354120019968

Lastgirl posted:

ugh

you see, you keep ascribing it to older models of capitalism before it went full blown reagan, where the feminist wave of the 70s attributed to actually making decent wages and you know, men were incredibly lovely and condescending back then. Nowadays third way feminism is being garbled by corporate capitalism to keep us sedate and not focus on the real issues for less pay. It's gotten hijacked and washed over with pendantry and echo chambers. Sound familiar?

Some men (not all, calm down don't project please) can still be just as lovely and condescending nowadays, god knows I put up with enough harassment as it is, but it does not seem as bad (what would I know, I didn't live in the 60s-80s) today because uhh HR and workplace ethics have at least progressed where there is at least some say in the process, it's just the pay that makes it not worth the hassle sometimes. Retail sucked for this reason.

But I'm sure you want to burn it down because it's just still capitalism that all feminists want people to subjugate to or whatever the gently caress you're gabbing on about because your claim is that second wave feminists sold out which is just laughable as a perceived narrative you want to sweep with a broad brush. It's some crazy 0% to 100%, black or white, either and or situation you keep doing from time to time.

its like watching someone try to jam an old circle block into a brand new square hole to prove something, its hosed , mostly on the behalf that you're not really going to listen to it because you already have the idea and your cup is full with the "knowledge" that you perceived to be containing. Which is why we have that smugness going on

Yea, it's the feminists, they're the ones who do the capitalist pigdogs their bidding and are the shadowy hand of the corporate arm. WAKE UP!!!

Its certainly not bits and pieces, amalgams taken as a result of information being wedged into a big wad of indiscernible chewed up gum due to globalism because we have so many loving ideas racing into our goddamn eyeballs from the internet in the most lamest way possible, from tumblr to facebook, to forums like these that we can't tell rear end up end and recognize the information overload that we can just literally take bits and pieces of what we want to mold. Cherry picked to consume our own perceived narrative.

This is again why IdPol loving sucks

Nice Meltdown

M'am this is a Wendy's.

Yes, give me the frosty please~

Al! posted:

good rant. imo the worst part of idpol is the way it allows people to frame their own idpol as the neutral, rational position rather than throwing it all out entirely

Ace of Baes posted:

Feminists rule. (Unless they're white or rich)

Al! posted:

heres my list of class enemies so far

1. liberals
2. feminists
3. the rich
4. "Costals"



but im starting to think feminists should be number 1?

Mariana Horchata posted:

iirc i already went on my idpol rant about a month ago so i will refrain because theres nothing more to say

Mariana Horchata posted:

Lastgirl posted:

leftists are loving crazy

you see

if you go more left, the other left is perceived as right and thats why we have the feminist bashing

its okay to bash third way feminism as a whole because of a few lovely people like Dunham who stand up on a soapbox and thats all people want to pay attention to in order to prove something because suddenly the vocal one is the flagship leader and everyone has to automatically agree apparently, it's just so much easier to frame your narrative this way because information is a giant wad of chewed gum that people just pull out their own flavor (of information) to chew on.

Here im getting that 3W feminism is a capitalist cabal that subjugates women with women and i have no idea what the end game is here, but it desperately has to be proven so that "i told you so, capitalism is the root of it all!"

No, it's just one stupid spoiled rich brat who got bored. Foh...

GlyphGryph posted:

I wasn't trying to poo poo on the entire group or anything since it was different 70s feminists that started pushing it to begin and it's not like there any non feminists concerned about these people and I very obviously hosed up what I was actually trying to communicate because it's definitely not what you're ranting against here, so I'm genuinely sorry.

Feminists are good , and Feminism in general is good, and I did not mean to imply otherwise. I was not railing against feminism, and if it came across that way it was down to incompetence rather than intent.

I think it's pretty lovely to dismiss the concerns of other less privileged feminists because they don't share your personal desires, and that's a criticism that has long been correctly aimed at many prominent feminists and I think the movement has hugely improved and made effort to hear from less powerful feminist voices and do a lot less prescribing of what it means to be a "proper" feminist because of it and that's a good thing - but this is not a criticism of feminism on the whole, and it is a criticism that when accurately applied has made feminism as a whole better imo. I think solidarity is important and it's frustrating how often and how quickly it is abandoned in pursuit of persona narrow interests and that we need to be vigilant and fight against that happening in our movements when possible since most of our greatest successes have come from when we help each other and make sure not to leave people behind.

Or maybe I'm just being stupid, in which case feel free to just call me an idiot.

Pollyanna posted:

feminism itself is good, i think what you're pointing out is people being crap at implementing it

Pollyanna posted:

i am so loving lost

Pollyanna posted:

i am so loving lost

can we not just agree on core principles like "gently caress sexism" and "unerringly support civil rights"

paranoid randroid posted:

nah im afraid we're booked solid for the next fifty years with appointments to claw bloody runnels into our own faces while screaming about liberals

GlyphGryph posted:

You talking about the Florida guy?

Really want to know what the hell is up with that.

GlyphGryph posted:

All I really understand right now is that apparently a lot of people are really pissed at me for being anti-feminist and I'm not or at least I don't think/feel like I am and it's mostly just leaving me feeling really lovely and confused and if there's something I'm doing wrong I would appreciate advice on how to fix it but also maybe it's just a misunderstanding but I don't know.

Main Paineframe posted:

yeah

for those not in the know, there are several people aiming for the chairmanship of the Florida DNC, and for various dumb procedural reasons they had to get elected to some minor obscure committee seat in order to be eligible

there were two main contenders. one was a wealthy lawyer and real estate developer who was a Dem megadonor with deep ties to the DNC eatablishment and a complex network of nonprofits he uses to funnel donor money into candidates' campaigns. the other was a black progressive teacher and Sanders supporter who was facing heavy criticism for being pro-Palestine and was backed by Our Revolution

Ellison endorsed the establishment megadonor, who then won the seat

paranoid randroid posted:

they dont call it the Circular Firing Squad because the left is good at keeping its poo poo together

Agean90 posted:

What about the one who judo flipped cops int the 19th century?

UHD posted:

feminists and feminism are good

fighting for what you believe in is also good

ty for reading

Typical Pubbie posted:

Yeah but saying "corporate feminism" won't give you the cathartic high you feel when you say white feminism and watch the look of existential guilt wash over Becky the ally's face as she gazes down at her navel in shame. Shame, Becky! Shame!

Mariana Horchata posted:

Ace of Baes posted:

Feminists rule. (Unless they're white or rich)

paranoid randroid posted:

anyway, to conclude, youre all a bunch of splitter revisionist mother fuckers

Pollyanna posted:

hmmmmmmmmmm :/ i wonder why.


the left is a mess

i've said it before and i'll say it again: at least the right wing can all agree on the core principle of "gently caress jews, blacks, women, and gays". at least they have something to unite under even if it's horrid. they sure as gently caress are more effective than the left.

Lastgirl posted:

That is a vocal minority, get over it

Main Paineframe posted:

yeah

for those not in the know, there are several people aiming for the chairmanship of the Florida DNC, and for various dumb procedural reasons they had to get elected to some minor obscure committee seat in order to be eligible

there were two main contenders. one was a wealthy lawyer and real estate developer who was a Dem megadonor with deep ties to the DNC eatablishment and a complex network of nonprofits he uses to funnel donor money into candidates' campaigns. the other was a black progressive teacher and Sanders supporter who was facing heavy criticism for being pro-Palestine and was backed by Our Revolution

Ellison endorsed the establishment megadonor, who then won the seat

Mariana Horchata posted:

nopants posted:

It hasn't actually been a good thing that the right can united behind horrible things.

Pollyanna posted:

feminism itself is good, i think what you're pointing out is people being crap at implementing it

Ace of Baes posted:

A vocal minority that has hijacked Gender studies to be exclusionary wrt minority, trans, and class issues, so uhhh no?

GlyphGryph posted:

Feminism is good, but feminists are only human, and the only way good things stay good (and this is way beyond feminism and more for everything) is if we keep trying to improve and acknowledge the things we have done in the past and probably are still doing are actually kind of lovely for some people and we always need to get better and move further.

Like hell the 70s feminists I mentioned shooting down the idea may well have even been a good thing for the movement as a whole even if it was justified in a lovely way by specific people because we can't do everything at once (even if we can do a lot of things at once) and I guess family stuff and helping parents be good and capable parents and seeing parenting as legit important (along with teaching and childcare that also get poo poo on a lot by society when all those people deserve a ton of respect) is one of my own personal issues so I end up talking about that when it seems relevant even if it's actually not and it ends up pissing people off.

I honestly did not expect this level of hostility and I'm sorry for pissing people off.

Main Paineframe posted:

yeah

for those not in the know, there are several people aiming for the chairmanship of the Florida DNC, and for various dumb procedural reasons they had to get elected to some minor obscure committee seat in order to be eligible

there were two main contenders. one was a wealthy lawyer and real estate developer who was a Dem megadonor with deep ties to the DNC eatablishment and a complex network of nonprofits he uses to funnel donor money into candidates' campaigns. the other was a black progressive teacher and Sanders supporter who was facing heavy criticism for being pro-Palestine and was backed by Our Revolution

Ellison endorsed the establishment megadonor, who then won the seat

paranoid randroid posted:

they dont call it the Circular Firing Squad because the left is good at keeping its poo poo together

Main Paineframe posted:

yeah

for those not in the know, there are several people aiming for the chairmanship of the Florida DNC, and for various dumb procedural reasons they had to get elected to some minor obscure committee seat in order to be eligible

there were two main contenders. one was a wealthy lawyer and real estate developer who was a Dem megadonor with deep ties to the DNC eatablishment and a complex network of nonprofits he uses to funnel donor money into candidates' campaigns. the other was a black progressive teacher and Sanders supporter who was facing heavy criticism for being pro-Palestine and was backed by Our Revolution

Ellison endorsed the establishment megadonor, who then won the seat

Al! posted:

as if you could ever get the leftists to agree to line up in a circle like that

Pollyanna posted:

are we seriously going full /pol/ and railing against feminists

thats not very left

paranoid randroid posted:

lets just sort of mill around and shoot each other in the head at random intervals then

Al! posted:

as if you could ever get the leftists to agree to line up in a circle like that