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Here in Louisiana, Governor Edwards's executive order for the protection of LGBT government workers was shot down as unconstitutional: http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/12/louisiana_lgbt_order.html I was expecting this to happen, but it's still depressing to see on the front page of the newspaper in the morning. 
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Fossilized Rappy posted:Here in Louisiana, Governor Edwards's executive order for the protection of LGBT government workers was shot down as unconstitutional: quote:For example, LGBT workplace protections will be removed from a state employee health insurance contract that the Legislature had rejected because lawmakers weren't comfortable with that language. That means the contract has a much better chance of being approved this week, and thousands of state employees' health insurance will no longer be caught up in a dispute over LGBT rights. I think this is the most uncritical sentence I've read today. Like why the gently caress would you even write that?
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So a character in a shooty game has come out as lesbian in a single panel in an online comic. Internet nerds react in exactly the way you'd expect. Here's a 114 page thread about how this character being gay is disgusting, but totally not in a homophobic way, though. The first post is great and supportive and from a lesbian who plays the game, it gets progressively worse. EDIT - well that was quick. Blizzard has gone in and deleted all the really nasty stuff. Good for them. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Dec 21, 2016 17:17
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I'm not reading that poo poo but how much is  BUT MY WAIFU?
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Dec 21, 2016 17:25
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I'm not reading that poo poo but how much is Someone posted a screencap in the yospos pics thread that was literally a steam article entitled "MY WAIFU IS DEAD".
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Dec 21, 2016 17:33
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quote:Tracer was my waifu when I first saw her delicious butt. She's not gay to me and this comic can go to hell. Lottery of Babylon managed to grab a bunch of posts before they were deleted.
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Dec 21, 2016 17:35
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And for the record, as a lesbian, I find the hypersexualized appearance of the character super offensive and making her gay doesn't fix the problem that female characters are designed mostly to satisfy the malegaze of players.
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Dec 21, 2016 17:37
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Lottery of Babylon posted:As someone who's bisexual, I wish that people would really stop giving into the LGBT community Someone should tell this person they don't need a whole sentence to say 'self-loathing.'
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Dec 21, 2016 18:09
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there wolf posted:Someone should tell this person they don't need a whole sentence to say 'self-loathing.' oh ok they're fakeposting. was about to go nuclear 
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Dec 21, 2016 18:11
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:And for the record, as a lesbian, I find the hypersexualized appearance of the character super offensive and making her gay doesn't fix the problem that female characters are designed mostly to satisfy the malegaze of players. Really? Tracer? I'm not saying that you're wrong, I just personally found her to be better than I've come to expect from video games, which is an abysmally low bar to clear. Anyways, it's largely just a few very loud nerds gnashing their teeth, but honestly it kind of disheartens me. I have some personal hopes for a smidgen of trans representation here and there, but I can't fathom how loud the backlash would be.
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Dec 21, 2016 18:14
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I haven't played the game, but wasn't the entire media blitz around Tracer pretty much just 
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Dec 21, 2016 18:19
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there wolf posted:I haven't played the game, but wasn't the entire media blitz around Tracer pretty much just Yeah pretty much, she had a dumb victory screen pose of her looking back over her shoulder, but pretty much everyone in this game including dudes has good butts, so people got mad about that view of her butt and then they changed the pose to something better but then bigger idiots got mad about MUH CENSORSHIP!!!1! Also "hypersexualized" is a bit far and pretty wrong feeling when a lot of other stuff is still struggling to get past all their lady characters wearing boobplate or having inexplicable boob window armor. Meanwhile this is the gay shootlady. 
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Yardbomb posted:Yeah pretty much, she had a dumb victory screen pose of her looking back over her shoulder, but pretty much everyone in this game including dudes has good butts, so people got mad about that view of her butt and then they changed the pose to something better but then bigger idiots got mad about MUH CENSORSHIP!!!1! you forgot to show that she wears crocs
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Dec 21, 2016 18:44
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Instant Sunrise posted:you forgot to show that she wears crocs and people are just now figuring out she's a lesbian? 
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Dec 21, 2016 18:46
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Fossilized Rappy posted:Here in Louisiana, Governor Edwards's executive order for the protection of LGBT government workers was shot down as unconstitutional: I am shocked, googling Overwatch led me to believe that they were all lesbians, or some kind of weird grim reaper ghost, or an obese biker. Serious talk, is it just me or do the characters who get the most homo fan art also have the most vocal homophobic fanbases? This isn't the first time I've seen a character with tons of really explicit homosexual fan porn made that has a bit of a backlash when it becomes "canon".
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:And for the record, as a lesbian, I find the hypersexualized appearance of the character super offensive and making her gay doesn't fix the problem that female characters are designed mostly to satisfy the malegaze of players. LeftistMuslimObama posted:And for the record, as a lesbian, I find the hypersexualized appearance of the character super offensive and making her gay doesn't fix the problem that female characters are designed mostly to satisfy the malegaze of players. Yardbomb posted:Yeah pretty much, she had a dumb victory screen pose of her looking back over her shoulder, but pretty much everyone in this game including dudes has good butts, so people got mad about that view of her butt and then they changed the pose to something better but then bigger idiots got mad about MUH CENSORSHIP!!!1! This is all mutually true. Blizzard is SLIGHTLY, better then most companies out there. Also they replaced that butts victory pose with something more apt.  Nostalgia4Infinity posted:oh ok they're fakeposting. That is just lottery's gimmick. Cutting out slices of internet idiocy for goons. He just does it for the media thread in particular. Baka-nin posted:I am shocked, googling Overwatch led me to believe that they were all lesbians, or some kind of weird grim reaper ghost, or an obese biker. Something something, girl/girl porn is hot, guy/guy porn is hot, actual homosexual relationships are an offense to human civilization, something something. Klaus88 fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Dec 21, 2016 18:48
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Baka-nin posted:I am shocked, googling Overwatch led me to believe that they were all lesbians, or some kind of weird grim reaper ghost, or an obese biker. I would be inclined to suggest that there's perhaps a subset of people who think that lesbianism is great when it's for men's tittilation but not when it's a decision made by the woman in question. E: is that bomber jacket permanently fused to her because I do not see how you could put it on otherwise.
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Yardbomb posted:
I thought the hypersexualized post was from the Lottery of Babylon cache.
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Dec 21, 2016 18:52
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Filthy Haiku posted:Really? Tracer? I'm not saying that you're wrong, I just personally found her to be better than I've come to expect from video games, which is an abysmally low bar to clear. She still wears a skintight suit, has perfect proportions, etc. Yardbomb posted:Yeah pretty much, she had a dumb victory screen pose of her looking back over her shoulder, but pretty much everyone in this game including dudes has good butts, so people got mad about that view of her butt and then they changed the pose to something better but then bigger idiots got mad about MUH CENSORSHIP!!!1! Don't be an idiot. The guys have good butts because male players want to see themselves as those guys. The women have good butts because the male players want to look at them. In 90% of game scenarios (this is a scifi arena shooter right?) there's no actual reason for the characters to be wearing outfits that are skintight and sexually suggestive (yes, that picture you posted is sexually suggestive. It's basically painted on and emphasizes her unrealistically curvy body) and yet in nearly every game they do. Why don't the characters in the shooty game wear armor? It's because the male player wants to look at the butts. edit: Before someone deliberately and obtusely misrepresents my point, this is not to say that there can be 0 depictions of sexy characters in video games. Only that while the vast majority of depictions of female characters are sexy it remains clear that there is a misogynist malegaze attitude in video games. I can't believe I have to explain this poo poo in a loving queer issues thread. The MUMPSorceress fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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North Carolina's legislature today has its 5th special session, to repeal HB2. So far they have: -recognized outgoing lawmakers. -recognized an intern for their service. -successfully voted on rules, over objections by some lawmakers that this 5th special session is unconstitutional. -recessed 3 times so repubs could have closed door meetings. -not proposed the repeal of HB2. Wait, untrue. Just now senate dems have finally filed the bill to repeal You can check on this guy's twitter for updates https://twitter.com/NickOchsnerWBTV/status/811634817846669316
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:edit: Before someone deliberately and obtusely misrepresents my point, this is not to say that there can be 0 depictions of sexy characters in video games. Only that while the vast majority of depictions of female characters are sexy it remains clear that there is a misogynist malegaze attitude in video games. I can't believe I have to explain this poo poo in a loving queer issues thread. I dont think anyone argued against this
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My only hope is that republicans cave into the "business friendly" knob gobbing over any sort of social or political pressure. We just saw on a national level the level of bald self destructive spite they are capable of.LeftistMuslimObama posted:She still wears a skintight suit, has perfect proportions, etc. Nobody is arguing that male gaze isn't a huge component of female characters in media, but this is some grade A tilting at windmills. Filthy Haiku fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Dec 21, 2016 19:59
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Control Volume posted:I dont think anyone argued against this Shh this is a post-fact, post-reality society.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:Don't be an idiot. The guys have good butts because male players want to see themselves as those guys. Have you missed the truckload of ladies and gay dudes that made a thing out of Genji's butt, hell Reaper's butt too, I've seen a buncha people into S76 being a grizzled older man, I mean drat even for as grimy of characters as they are, Roadhog and Junkrat even comes out pretty pleasing for a niche of people. I'll be straight up and say Overwatch pretty well feels like it was made to have something for everyone/anyone, not just on accident or coincidence either really, like there's a point of the designs going from 'Guy has good body so dudes want to be like him for power fantasy' to 'Cyborg man is basically wearing a fundoshi on the back end' which feels like it's appealing to something other than your average straight guy looking for a cool design. LeftistMuslimObama posted:Why don't the characters in the shooty game wear armor? A bunch of them do tho. Control Volume posted:I dont think anyone argued against this Yeah pretty much, no kidding there's A Thing of guys wanting pretty ladies in their games to ogle, which sucks as usual, but you can come around to the idea that guys in games being hot isn't solely for straight guys to wanna be them anymore too. It's been this way for a while despite how much people wanted to disbelieve or 'jokingly' downplay it, but a whole, WHOLE lot of women and LGBT people play games, it's not even a stretch to imagine a lot of dudes in games can be/are designed to appeal to them as well as power fantasies and junk. I mean drat, Square Enix doesn't even try to hide it anymore that they make pretty dudes for ladies when it comes to Final Fantasy for instance. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Yardbomb posted:I mean drat, Square Enix doesn't even try to hide it anymore that they make pretty dudes for ladies when it comes to Final Fantasy for instance. I thought that is what Japan thinks a manly man is, as opposed to the US where we like 'em burly.
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Yardbomb posted:I mean drat, Square Enix doesn't even try to hide it anymore that they make pretty dudes for ladies when it comes to Final Fantasy for instance. Im glad of it
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Activism is about pushing the envelope further, and I dont think we should just settle for having a couple good asses on video game men. Im proposing all male characters in video games have excellent asses, the best available.
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Yardbomb posted:Have you missed the truckload of ladies and gay dudes that made a thing out of Genji's butt, hell Reaper's butt too, I've seen a buncha people into S76 being a grizzled older man, I mean drat even for as grimy of characters as they are, Roadhog and Junkrat even comes out pretty pleasing for a niche of people. I'll be straight up and say Overwatch pretty well feels like it was made to have something for everyone/anyone, not just on accident or coincidence either really, like there's a point of the designs going from 'Guy has good body so dudes want to be like him for power fantasy' to 'Cyborg man is basically wearing a fundoshi on the back end' which feels like it's appealing to something other than your average straight guy looking for a cool design. The power differentials are the difference. Also, yeop, final fantasy has bishies, must mean games are less sexist!
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Yardbomb posted:Yeah pretty much, no kidding there's A Thing of guys wanting pretty ladies in their games to ogle, which sucks as usual, but you can come around to the idea that guys in games being hot isn't solely for straight guys to wanna be them anymore too. It's been this way for a while despite how much people wanted to disbelieve or 'jokingly' downplay it, but a whole, WHOLE lot of women and LGBT people play games, it's not even a stretch to imagine a lot of dudes in games can be/are designed to appeal to them as well as power fantasies and junk. I mean drat, Square Enix doesn't even try to hide it anymore that they make pretty dudes for ladies when it comes to Final Fantasy for instance. The industry is improving, slowly and sporadically, but I would be reluctant to say that it does not remain thoroughly eclipsed by the masculine perspective governing the overwhelming majority of everything it produces.
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Things are bad but getting better watch as the two sides of this sentence beat the poo poo out of each other in the leftist internet s-s-s-super slaaam
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Dec 21, 2016 21:28
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I feel like things are pretty good for me, so you need to stop talking about how things still suck for you. It's so divisive.
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stone cold posted:Also, yeop, final fantasy has bishies, must mean games are less sexist! That's not what I said or am saying though. Just that good looking dudes doesn't solely mean guy power fantasy anymore. 
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In other relevant news : http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/first-amendment-defense-act-would-be-devastating-lgbtq-americans-n698416 Article posted:Earlier this month, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas and Senator Mike Lee of Utah, through his spokesperson, told Buzzfeed they plan to reintroduce an embattled bill that barely gained a House hearing in 2015. But this time around, they said, the First Amendment Defense Act (FADA) was likely to succeed due to a Republican-controlled House and the backing of President-elect Donald Trump. Looks like the redefining discrimination to not apply to gays and slut-shaming bill is coming back!
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Liquid Communism posted:In other relevant news : But remember guys, he's socially liberal, totally not a bigot and so on.
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This makes me wish Steam would confirm one or more of the TF2 characters as not straight. Considering the content of much of the fanart, you wouldn't think it'd be too much of a problem, but then again...
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Yardbomb posted:That's not what I said or am saying though. Just that good looking dudes doesn't solely mean guy power fantasy anymore. Good-looking dudes never really meant a guy power fantasy. In fact it's often been the opposite because to be a passive target of desire is seen as inherently feminine and thus something to be avoided. When comic books were loaded up with fugly neanderthals buried under their own musculature, it was appealing to a hyper masculine fantasy that rejects anything feminine, including being conventionally attractive. But you still had oblivious jerks claiming that Liefeld's Captain America, who had the body proportions of a hamhock, was just as sexualized as the spineless women showing both rear end and tits at the same time because they were both in lycra. We're all cool and post-metrosexual now so it's o.k. to have a few pretty boys for fanservice. The key word being 'few' because male characters get to be defined by a lot of things that aren't sex-appeal which will catch people's interest. For female characters "do I want to bone her" is really important to a lot of the audience, so having a range of sexy, fuckable girls takes precedence over actual diversity in characterization.
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Reminds me of this classic. http://oglaf.com/dimorphism/
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Dec 21, 2016 22:30
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North Carolina just spent tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars to thank an intern for their service.
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there wolf posted:Good-looking dudes never really meant a guy power fantasy. In fact it's often been the opposite because to be a passive target of desire is seen as inherently feminine and thus something to be avoided. When comic books were loaded up with fugly neanderthals buried under their own musculature, it was appealing to a hyper masculine fantasy that rejects anything feminine, including being conventionally attractive. But you still had oblivious jerks claiming that Liefeld's Captain America, who had the body proportions of a hamhock, was just as sexualized as the spineless women showing both rear end and tits at the same time because they were both in lycra. How male characters look is an interesting phenomenon since I would agree that most comic book men were male power fantasies 101 because they are buried under layers of muscle. (I don't know poo poo about recent comic art) The XV guys are totally super cute, even if I don't want to play the game. At least they look amazing. I do not really know whether they are making men more attractive in games or I'm finding more men cuter though. Filthy Haiku posted:I have some personal hopes for a smidgen of trans representation here and there, but I can't fathom how loud the backlash would be. Krem from DAI was slipped in without protest, at least that I saw. I mean granted Bioware still has some penance to do for how they've treated transwomen in their other Dragon Age games but it's a start. Also I think Poison was announced canon trans in America without much fuss too. Baka-nin posted:I am shocked, googling Overwatch led me to believe that they were all lesbians, or some kind of weird grim reaper ghost, or an obese biker. I don't know if anyone really wants to get into this discussion but some kind of look at that would be fascinating. Also just like what fandoms just go purely for the explicit art or include more "tame" art. Maybe also because I'm a big fan of PharMercy and the contest between that and Mercy76 is a thing.
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Baka-nin posted:Serious talk, is it just me or do the characters who get the most homo fan art also have the most vocal homophobic fanbases? This isn't the first time I've seen a character with tons of really explicit homosexual fan porn made that has a bit of a backlash when it becomes "canon". The more visible/vocal one is the more the other is going to fight about it.
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