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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:gonna lol when Ellison gets elected DNC chair and the Dems still get murdered in 2018 I'm genuinely worried some of the more reactionary voices are gonna turn on him when that goes down.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I'm genuinely worried some of the more reactionary voices are gonna turn on him when that goes down. They 100% will, and it will set the stage for Democratic Presidential Nominee Martin O'Malley/Corey Booker in 2020
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Dec 21, 2016 21:11
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:They 100% will, and it will set the stage for Democratic Presidential Nominee Martin O'Malley/Corey Booker in 2020 at this point yea I'm just kinda hoping for the comedy option of a constant state of coup in the DNC where people angry Ellison didn't wave a magic socialism wand and ride a wave of victory in 2 years keep the DNC from having any alternative to, yea some generic D center option like Booker just waltzing to the nomination in 20. Cruz is already readying 'first amendment protection' poo poo and Trump is gleefully planning to plunder the country, might as well have a circus while it happens.
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It is a time-tested strategy. It took decades of neglect to let it get this bad, but we are likely going to get 2-4 years to turn it around (if that).
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Anyone remember when everyone thought Clinton was gonna gut the republicans instead of impotently whining about the Russians lmao  Tatum Girlparts posted:at this point yea I'm just kinda hoping for the comedy option of a constant state of coup in the DNC where people angry Ellison didn't wave a magic socialism wand and ride a wave of victory in 2 years keep the DNC from having any alternative to, yea some generic D center option like Booker just waltzing to the nomination in 20. Cruz is already readying 'first amendment protection' poo poo and Trump is gleefully planning to plunder the country, might as well have a circus while it happens. I guarantee you Ellison actually knows wtf he's doing, unlike DWS and Brazille, who are nothing but incompetent :/
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:They 100% will, and it will set the stage for Democratic Presidential Nominee Martin O'Malley/Corey Booker in 2020 gah i just puked a little in my mouth
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Guys, I gotta say- you were right about DnD. I'm sorry I ever doubted you It's terrible. Neuroliminal is doing god's work in there tho and for the life of me I don't know how he does it, especially when 90% of the replies to him are poo poo like: quote:I know I'm on your side. I don't know if you're on my side. If you think that the problem is that black people can't understand racists well enough, I don't think you are. I assume the answer is "mental illness."
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Anyone remember when everyone thought Clinton was gonna gut the republicans instead of impotently whining about the Russians lmao Vintage 2016!
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Anyone remember when everyone thought Clinton was gonna gut the republicans instead of impotently whining about the Russians lmao and yet if you ask them now they'll all say they're pretty sure Hillary ran a fairly positive campaign and talked about her platform constantly
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:They 100% will, and it will set the stage for Democratic Presidential Nominee Martin O'Malley/Corey Booker in 2020 lol if you assume booker's ego would let him settle for being second fiddle
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I guarantee you Ellison actually knows wtf he's doing, unlike DWS and Brazille, who are nothing but incompetent :/ he knows what he's doing but objectively without a miracle 2018 is gonna suck real bad, and I do really think a lot of 'agh THE ESTABLISHMENT' reactionaries will somehow blame him for that.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:he knows what he's doing but objectively without a miracle 2018 is gonna suck real bad, and I do really think a lot of 'agh THE ESTABLISHMENT' reactionaries will somehow blame him for that. You're not using the word reactionary correctly, bud.
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Oh Snapple! posted:It's terrible. Neuroliminal is doing god's work in there tho and for the life of me I don't know how he does it, especially when 90% of the replies to him are poo poo like: Is that guy a troll makin posts like that you gotta be a troll
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:gonna lol when Ellison gets elected DNC chair and the Dems still get murdered in 2018 If it happens I hope it's because he tried his hardest and did a lot of good work and it just hasn't paid off yet and those investments could still pay off down the road, and not after two years of intentional sabotage by establishment players trying to sink their own party rather than lose control of it a la British Labour. If he fails, I want it to be because we tried our hardest and finding out it didn't work so we have a chance of trying something else (or for it to be obvious that it's working, but slowly, so we can stay the course), rather than a failure that is obviously driven primarily from an inability of Dems to accept change and the people who represent it and other forms of internal dissent.
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:They 100% will, and it will set the stage for Democratic Presidential Nominee Martin O'Malley/Corey Booker in 2020 If that's where it ends up, it's not gonna be because of the "reactionaries"
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Pretty cool how Obama and the centrist-corporatists had 8 years to change the political landscape and just utterly poo poo the bed and now people like Tatum are predicting the 2 years Ellison and the rest of the ProgCrew have to fix poo poo is gonna end up in them failing and "reactionaries" ruining everything
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someone quote me in like 3 years: Ellison will win DNC chair. Schumer et al were so quick to endorse him because they know the Dems are gonna get obliterated the next several years, and definitely the next cycle. This will discredit the leftward trajectory that's going on right now and will set the stage for, you guessed it, The Assassination of Keith Ellison By The Coward Corey Booker.
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random thought. given that the majority of the country currently supports LGBT rights, what's the chance of popular support flipping and the pendulum swinging the other way given that Pence is in power and the NCGA is being shits and refusing to repeal HB2? are human rights actually that fragile?
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Pretty cool how Obama and the centrist-corporatists had 8 years to change the political landscape and just utterly poo poo the bed and now people like Tatum are predicting the 2 years Ellison and the rest of the ProgCrew have to fix poo poo is gonna end up in them failing and "reactionaries" ruining everything I mean the conspiracy theorist in me wants to believe they're gonna have a pretend fight between Ellison and Perez for the seat, then give it to Ellison, block and impede and maneuver against him for 2 years, and then blame our massive 2018 losses on him so that they can push the progressives back into a corner and go back to securely collecting those bribes.
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If the left turns on it him it's not gonna be because he failed. They might turn on him if it becomes obvious he gave up, but that's a big difference and while that is certainly a possible outcome (Dems do seem to loving love giving up) I don't see Ellison as being that sort of person based on what he's said and done and his history. Perez seems like that sort of person, so if he wins I expect a lot of folks to be whinging constantly about how we're "turning" on a "progressive friend of labour" a lot, and then pushing Booker as the solution since obviously even the left has rejected "progressives".
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Pollyanna posted:random thought. given that the majority of the country currently supports LGBT rights, what's the chance of popular support flipping and the pendulum swinging the other way given that Pence is in power and the NCGA is being shits and refusing to repeal HB2? are human rights actually that fragile? the cool thing is it actually doesn't matter because Cruz and that Utah weirdo are already drafting the first amendment protection thing again and by the time it gets to the supreme court it'll be a court where Trump got to fill Scalia's slot with someone who hates gays just as much!
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:someone quote me in like 3 years: Do you foresee any alternative, any way out where the left isn't crushed? Or is it simply how it is?
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i think u guys are assuming way too much cunning on the part of the democrats
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GlyphGryph posted:If the left turns on it him it's not gonna be because he failed.  trap sprung
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it's a conspiracy, it's a conspiracy i continue to insist as i post on somethingawful.com
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paranoid randroid posted:i think u guys are assuming way too much cunning on the part of the democrats I assume a vast amount of cunning for their corporate paymasters
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Getting ready for more holidays family politics discussions! Does anyone have a good rebuttal for the "Socialism only works in Scandinavia because they're small, culturally homogenous, and don't have a large 'lower class'" nonsense I have to hear from my fiscally conservative but socially liberal family? It seems kind of lame to workshop a response but I keep coming across this argument and I can't really think of a succinct answer. The last one is particularly infuriating because isn't that the whole point of socialism? They admit that we have inequality in this country, and that the system favors the rich, but every discussion just ends with "Well it just wouldn't work here". I may just resort to only communicating in antifa juggalo memes...
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like recall taht the current head and face of the party was completely blindsided by the fact that the people who accused him of being a gay cokehead muslim kenyan were not prepared to negotiate with him in good faith
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paranoid randroid posted:i think u guys are assuming way too much cunning on the part of the democrats I think it's fair to assume that they'll put more effort in staving off an infusion of leftism than they do in beating the republicans.
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Agean90 posted:imo it's going to rely on how visible trumps failures are and how thoroughly the progressive faction can seize or subdue the dncs internal workings. haha so "if things start mattering again" totes hosed, we are
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paranoid randroid posted:i think u guys are assuming way too much cunning on the part of the democrats naw, Corey Booker isn't going to beat Trump lol. their only "cunning" is their own ability to sabotage themselves. If they could somehow extend that to sabotaging the GOP we'd be living in a Liberal Paradise Where All Drone Pilots Are LGBTQ Millionaires GlyphGryph posted:Do you foresee any alternative, any way out where the left isn't crushed? Or is it simply how it is? The Democrats are not gonna lead the left out of the Trumpenreich Wildnerness, if that's what you mean. Salvation will only come through grassroots organizing independent of the established party structures
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well i mean the assumption here seems to either be that the dems are secretly cunning, or that theyll commit suicide to spite you personally....
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FireDooley posted:Getting ready for more holidays family politics discussions! Does anyone have a good rebuttal for the "Socialism only works in Scandinavia because they're small, culturally homogenous, and don't have a large 'lower class'" nonsense I have to hear from my fiscally conservative but socially liberal family? It seems kind of lame to workshop a response but I keep coming across this argument and I can't really think of a succinct answer. The last one is particularly infuriating because isn't that the whole point of socialism? They admit that we have inequality in this country, and that the system favors the rich, but every discussion just ends with "Well it just wouldn't work here". Uh yea you tell them we are richer, smarter, have better resources, and can do more projects on a bigger scale than tiny scandinavian nations. It's historically worked with programs like the New Deal.
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just a quick history lesson for y'all: there has not been a single instance, in the history of the USA, that either the Democrats or the Republicans were successfully coopted by leftists. In fact, both parties have regularly Crossed The Aisle to stamp out leftism Why do you think that will happen now?
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