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The only thing special about Bill Russell was that he played in the 60s
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dokmo posted:The raptors had a bunch of these over the years: Oh my Keon Clark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vrmCJko-mY Also always a good time to remember when he was smoking weed on the golf course during a charity function
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Dec 21, 2016 21:50
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EvanTH posted:I think of Harden like a less creative character using Ginobili's moveset. They play different Gobias Ind. posted:I loving loved Keon Clark. 
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Dec 21, 2016 21:50
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I loving loved Keon Clark.
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Dec 21, 2016 21:51
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"If Bismack Biyombo had played in the '60s, he would have been just as successful as Bill Russell" is the take that will drive Bill Simmons to murder Someone get this article published
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Dec 21, 2016 21:53
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xbilkis posted:"If Bismack Biyombo had played in the '60s, he would have been just as successful as Bill Russell" is the take that will drive Bill Simmons to murder I've never seen or heard of Biyombo puking so
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Dec 21, 2016 21:54
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Keon Clark video led me to this Stro-Show package. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIX169GbidI Also all future hypotheticals should only involve more interesting players. What if Stromile Swift played for the 86 Celtics? What if Darius Miles shared the backcourt with Jerry West? What if Austin Rivers played for the 77 6ers?
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Dec 21, 2016 21:55
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Luis Scola is more unicorny than Bill Russell.
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Dec 21, 2016 21:56
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Paul Zuvella posted:The only thing special about Bill Russell was that he played in the 60s There are videos of him getting, like, 3 blocks and 2 steals in the span of 6 minutes and the announcers sounding like it's just another day at the office, so its easy to sell him short when there aren't stats. The guy lead the league in rebounding during seasons Wilt freakin Chamberlain was playing, so maybe give him some credit. He didn't just play some defense, he was the best defensive player in the league for 10+ years straight. He can't really control what era he played in, but he was definitely dominate and his play changed how those defensive big men of today play the game. Simmons way overrates him but he definitely deserves credit as one of the best players of all time.
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Dec 21, 2016 22:02
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I don't think the league will ever see another A.C. Green.
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Dec 21, 2016 22:03
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Lockback posted:There are videos of him getting, like, 3 blocks and 2 steals in the span of 6 minutes and the announcers sounding like it's just another day at the office, so its easy to sell him short when there aren't stats. The guy lead the league in rebounding during seasons Wilt freakin Chamberlain was playing, so maybe give him some credit. I don't doubt that. I agree that it's important to remember players in the era in which they played in. my point is, is that if Bill Russel played today he'd be an average defensive specialist center.
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Dec 21, 2016 22:03
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKmpQyo9muU Charles Barkley has such a strange body. If wade Baldwin gained like 100 pounds and it was distributed like Draymond Green's weight, it would sort of match him. He's like a pac man with super long arms
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Dec 21, 2016 22:05
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I doubt he could play center now. So he'd be a PF who couldnt shoot ie he wouldnt play on most teams. I guess Ben Wallace is a good comp but Wallace was waaaaaay bigger.
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Dec 21, 2016 22:06
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Paul Zuvella posted:I don't doubt that. I agree that it's important to remember players in the era in which they played in. Sure, but I can buy Unicorn in the sense of "the timing for the day meant another big probably won't show up and completely change how the defensive anchor plays like he did". I mean, we won't see a Prime Dwight Howard player-coach either. But I am already putting more thought into it since Simmons alternates his definition of unicorn between "Unique Player" and "Player I really like". My bad unicorn is Shabazz Muhammed. Size of a SG, Plays like a PF, slotted in the SF position.
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Dec 21, 2016 22:08
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Bill Russell was like a worse Reggie Evans based on the one brief clip I saw of Bill getting a rebound against the Albany Ziggurats in 1962
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Dec 21, 2016 22:17
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Unicorn is already a stupid term without Simmons piling on
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Dec 21, 2016 22:17
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morestuff posted:Yeah, the cream got hoovered up pretty quickly and most people just got tired of writing for free. I wrote for the Hornets TrueHoop blog for a couple years and made like $40 How much did this work out to hourly? straight up brolic posted:James Harden is just a souped up Ginobli so... I don't think Harden is much better offensively, with the exception of free throw rate which is still ungodly. For as much as people complained about Ginobili going to the line Harden still gets there 30% more. I think prime Ginobili in Houston's offense would be doing basically the same thing. The only significant difference between the two is that Ginobili was actually a great defender.
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Dec 21, 2016 22:31
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Are there usg% different too . I'm thinking they are.
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Dec 21, 2016 22:32
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Lockback posted:Sure, but I can buy Unicorn in the sense of "the timing for the day meant another big probably won't show up and completely change how the defensive anchor plays like he did". I mean, we won't see a Prime Dwight Howard player-coach either. But I am already putting more thought into it since Simmons alternates his definition of unicorn between "Unique Player" and "Player I really like". But in that case we would have to include George Mikan too, though I guess big and slow post scorer is being phased out to the point that he truly was a rare thing.
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Dec 21, 2016 22:36
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euphronius posted:I doubt he could play center now. This is all based on vague memories, but Wallace was more like Lebron's body with Tony Allen's brain and hands. Barkley is just shaped differently from other human beings. The way his shoulders start and then his arms just keep going reminds me of Dennis Rodman, that sort of freakish arm length and shoulder mobility. dokmo posted:The raptors had a bunch of these over the years:
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Dec 21, 2016 22:36
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euphronius posted:Are there usg% different too . I'm thinking they are. Career 24% vs 27%, though Harden has already had 4 seasons that were higher than Ginobli's career high, 3 of them 3% higher (including this year). Harden's Thunder years compared more to Ginobli, I think it's a stretch to assume Ginobli would be able to shoulder that kind of scoring load. I guess it's hard to guess, but I'd wager few players can make that kind of transition.
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Dec 21, 2016 22:36
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Harden has already banked more OWS than Ginobili
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Dec 21, 2016 22:38
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Dejan Bimble posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKmpQyo9muU Charles Barkley has such a strange body. If wade Baldwin gained like 100 pounds and it was distributed like Draymond Green's weight, it would sort of match him. He's like a pac man with super long arms he had to have been so mouthy Cool Buff Man posted:It all came about when I was watching a Kings / Celtics game and I was listening to 'Steady Mobbin' and wayne said "These n-words softer than roseannes son" oh when you said "roseanne's fat son" i thought you meant Becky ha ha take that Becky, Darlene Forever
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Dejan Bimble posted:This is all based on vague memories, but Wallace was more like Lebron's body with Tony Allen's brain and hands. Barkley is just shaped differently from other human beings. The way his shoulders start and then his arms just keep going reminds me of Dennis Rodman, that sort of freakish arm length and shoulder mobility. Mo Pete was 3 and D guy before that was really a thing but he had actual ball skills and an ungodly ability to hit the craziest shots. If he played for the Lakers he would have been famous. Keon was a dumb dumb one way post scorer, and Tracy Murray was a tough shooter who couldn't shoot or defend but somehow got playing time. These two players were living fossils, representatives of extinct types of players who were once plentiful but had faded away long before they stepped on the court..
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Dec 21, 2016 22:45
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The apparently common idea that time travelling Bill Russell would be like John Henson but shorter while Wilt and Oscar Robertson would come right in and be the best players in the league, is loving retarded.
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Dec 21, 2016 22:47
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Lol at Big Baby basically calling CP3 a bad teammate.
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Dec 21, 2016 22:52
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EvanTH posted:I think of Harden like a more powerful character using Ginobili's moveset. They play different To me part of it is a demeanor thing, like with sheed. Rasheed's play was inextricable from his all out emotional style. Harden has some of ginobili's moves, but he's very methodical and composed. He hits that crossover to step back, he drives the lane with his and rubs dicks, he nails a pull-up and every time you know just what he's doing, when, and why. Ginobili wings wild passes at impossible angles, throws up a euro step from a foot too far or too near, chucks a three at exactly the least opportune moment, and that unpredictability IS a basketball skill for him. They can do a lot of the same things, but they don't. BWV posted:I'd rather just compile a list of bad unicorns. Except lets just call them unique players. Like I dont think we'll ever see another Hedo. Josh McRoberts is Hedo, but the era of Hedo has passed. Now there are forwards who run the pnr and shoot threes WELL. Dejan Bimble posted:This is all based on vague memories, but Wallace was more like Lebron's body with Tony Allen's brain and hands. Barkley is just shaped differently from other human beings. The way his shoulders start and then his arms just keep going reminds me of Dennis Rodman, that sort of freakish arm length and shoulder mobility. Think he means Bill Russell, who yeah definitely puts one in the mind of Wallace with better hands. I don't think Wallace was a lot bigger though, just from an era of more weight training. Barkley and Rodman are both insanely weird players. For bad, will we ever see another Anthony Randolph?
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Dec 21, 2016 22:53
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Remembering Mo Pete, the man who hit layups blindfolded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTo0EY-5Yrk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HtMHmyKZa0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l5nHDIcOAE dokmo fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Dec 21, 2016 22:56
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I can't believe everyone just let that Gordon Hayward/Larry Bird comparison from a couple of pages back bounce through to the keeper. If you're talking about bad unicorns, you can't not mention Joe Alexander.
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Dec 21, 2016 23:01
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Smellyhead posted:I can't believe everyone just let that Gordon Hayward/Larry Bird comparison from a couple of pages back bounce through to the keeper.
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Dec 21, 2016 23:05
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Larry Nance Jr. might be planning on participating in the dunk contest. https://twitter.com/Larrydn22/status/811662621682307072
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Dec 21, 2016 23:12
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Lockback posted:Career 24% vs 27%, though Harden has already had 4 seasons that were higher than Ginobli's career high, 3 of them 3% higher (including this year). I don't think many people really got to watch Ginobili play in his prime. He'd have no problem carrying a 30% usage. I'm not saying he's as good as Harden, he's just close. Again, Harden has a huge leg up by his ability to get to the line.
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Dec 21, 2016 23:16
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straight up brolic posted:Harden has already banked more OWS than Ginobili https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5AvZQzj7CA
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Bashez posted:I don't think many people really got to watch Ginobili play in his prime. He'd have no problem carrying a 30% usage. I'm not saying he's as good as Harden, he's just close. Again, Harden has a huge leg up by his ability to get to the line. I agree with this 100%. Ginobili easily could have been the star of a team in his prime. I would rather have a team built around him than Klay Thompson.
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Dec 21, 2016 23:18
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Smellyhead posted:I can't believe everyone just let that Gordon Hayward/Larry Bird comparison from a couple of pages back bounce through to the keeper. I don't really know what to make of it. We just recently had a 10 minute Bird highlight posted in which he played nothing like Durant or Hayward so whatever I guess.
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Other issue with Manu vs. Harden is minutes played. Manu was used under 30 except for 2 years, Harden in Houston has averaged nearly 38 since the trade. Even in his last year in OKC he got more M/G than any season of Ginobili's.
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DeimosRising posted:Ginobili wings wild passes at impossible angles, throws up a euro step from a foot too far or too near, chucks a three at exactly the least opportune moment, and that unpredictability IS a basketball skill for him. They can do a lot of the same things, but they don't.
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Dec 21, 2016 23:31
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I want to eat some Gibobili Wild Wings.
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Tracy Mcgrady, Mugsy, and Ben Wallace are up for Hall of fame
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