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Tuxedo Gin posted:Because he was using the term white flight to complain about Asians coming in and displacing poor whites. What I meant was, why is it specifically Asians driving the gentrification when the economic demographic in question is still dominated by white people? Why aren't richer white people replacing the poor ones?
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Tarezax posted:What I meant was, why is it specifically Asians driving the gentrification when the economic demographic in question is still dominated by white people? Why aren't richer white people replacing the poor ones? Why do recent immigrant groups choose to settle together in communities basically everywhere throughout history? Is this seriously a thing that needs to be debated in the Cali thread?
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Tarezax posted:But why specifically Asians when white people still make up a majority of that field? My last company used a Fremont contract manufacturer and it was a straight up sweatshop. Full of Chinese immigrants grinding out pcb assemblies. It made me very uncomfortable when I had to visit for whatever reason. Not all tech jobs are glamorous.
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Family Values posted:Why do recent immigrant groups choose to settle together in communities basically everywhere throughout history? Is this seriously a thing that needs to be debated in the Cali thread? He's asking why, if it was gentrification, no rich white people moved into the gentrified areas, only Asians.
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It's a really good question that doesn't actually have to be answered by random forums posters, in order for them to maintain that as commonly used, "white flight" isn't just about white people leaving an area... it's about the aforementioned blight that the nonwhite people left behind are plunged into. The main factor there is that, historically and still today, nonwhite Americans are disproportionately poorer than white Americans, so that when the majority of the white residents leave, those communities left behind are plunged into poverty as they lose their tax base. It's compounded by the disproportionately white government agencies traditionally turning a blind eye or outright punishing nonwhite communities with unfair or worsening or punishing policy decisions. Once you understand that "white flight" refers to all of those things as a package, you can get that yeah, something odd happened in Fremont... but was it a bad thing? Even if white people left because of racism, the result hasn't been blight and racist government policy, it's been a city experiencing decades of economic improvement and growth, rapidly rising property values, etc. The racism itself may still be worthy of note, and even action (if there's anything we can do about the racism of white people fleeing neighborhoods that they perceive as becoming less white, we probably should), but lumping Fremont's experience into the category of "white flight" isn't really accurate or helpful. It's also not really worth having an argument about, because whether or not you call what happened in Fremont "white flight" or something else, you're only arguing about the label. Instead how about spell out explicitly what injustice has been done in Fremont, specifically, and let's not worry about what the label is. If anyone still wants to talk about it.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:He's asking why, if it was gentrification, no rich white people moved into the gentrified areas, only Asians. I am not really sure if it would be considered white flight or gentrification, it feels like there is just a lack of non-Asian replenishment. All the people that bought houses for 60k in the 70's and 80's are now 70 years old and just dying out or taking their money and retiring somewhere cheaper, and there is no reason for engineer Smith to move there when he could have a better commute to most places from Redwood City or San Mateo. I think Fremont (especially Warm Springs/Mission) has an "Asian" premium built into the price that rich white people see no reason to pay, but Asians will pay so grandma has people to Pain of Mind fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Dec 17, 2016 |
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Ron Jeremy posted:My last company used a Fremont contract manufacturer and it was a straight up sweatshop. Full of Chinese immigrants grinding out pcb assemblies. It made me very uncomfortable when I had to visit for whatever reason. Is there any demographic info on silicon valley tech companies in general? I'm curious how closely my perception matches reality.
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Pain of Mind posted:I am not really sure if it would be considered white flight or gentrification, it feels like there is just a lack of non-Asian replenishment. All the people that bought houses for 60k in the 70's and 80's are now 70 years old and just dying out or taking their money and retiring somewhere cheaper, and there is no reason for engineer Smith to move there when he could have a better commute to most places from Redwood City or San Mateo. I think Fremont (especially Warm Springs/Mission) has an "Asian" premium built into the price that rich white people see no reason to pay, but Asians will pay so grandma has people to This is the kind of perspective I was looking for, thanks.
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Hey, Fremont has a downtown, it's just very oddly located and not very developed 
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Fremont is cool and good and I enjoyed the time I lived there. Downtown San Jose sucked balls in comparison, what with fire trucks roaring down seventh street multiple times a day and getting screamed at by random homeless people.
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Pain of Mind posted:I am not really sure if it would be considered white flight or gentrification, it feels like there is just a lack of non-Asian replenishment. All the people that bought houses for 60k in the 70's and 80's are now 70 years old and just dying out or taking their money and retiring somewhere cheaper, and there is no reason for engineer Smith to move there when he could have a better commute to most places from Redwood City or San Mateo. I think Fremont (especially Warm Springs/Mission) has an "Asian" premium built into the price that rich white people see no reason to pay, but Asians will pay so grandma has people to Good post. This is what I meant with recent immigrants settling together. There are other factors, like shops and services that specifically serve immigrants. Second and especially third generation descendants will choose to spread out.
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Pain of Mind posted:I am not really sure if it would be considered white flight or gentrification, it feels like there is just a lack of non-Asian replenishment. All the people that bought houses for 60k in the 70's and 80's are now 70 years old and just dying out or taking their money and retiring somewhere cheaper, and there is no reason for engineer Smith to move there when he could have a better commute to most places from Redwood City or San Mateo. Also, San Mateo remains a significant hub for Asian-Americans, with both a furniture and a florist committed to the needs of Asian-American customers, although they'll happily take anybody's money. It's a hotbed of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, ... restaurants.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Also, San Mateo remains a significant hub for Asian-Americans, with both a furniture and a florist committed to the needs of Asian-American customers, although they'll happily take anybody's money. It's a hotbed of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, ... restaurants. Hey, don't forget the Mongolion and Thai places too! Downtown San Mateo is amazing for food and pretty much nothing else. It's also amazingly expensive to live here - houses commonly go up for 2 mil+ near the schools. I haven't looked at Fremont prices, but I suspect they are just a bit cheaper than that on average.
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lol at the fremont library, i've tutored chinese kids whose parents pushed carts at 99 ranch, vietnamese kids whose breadwinner is a laundromat owner, and sikh kids whose parents drive taxis, but sure i'll get in touch with em and tell them they're gentrifiers because a few aggrieved white bay area goons wagging their fingers at those people moving in said so
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Refried Hero posted:Hey, don't forget the Mongolion and Thai places too! Downtown San Mateo is amazing for food and pretty much nothing else. It's also amazingly expensive to live here - houses commonly go up for 2 mil+ near the schools. I haven't looked at Fremont prices, but I suspect they are just a bit cheaper than that on average. Newark is a bit better for house prices. We've been looking up there, but it's still pricey, just less ridiculous then Redwood City or Fremont.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:lol at the fremont library, i've tutored chinese kids whose parents pushed carts at 99 ranch, vietnamese kids whose breadwinner is a laundromat owner, and sikh kids whose parents drive taxis, but sure i'll get in touch with em and tell them they're gentrifiers because a few aggrieved white bay area goons wagging their fingers at those people moving in said so You can't just say an area isn't gentrified because you anecdotally know working class people living there.
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Despite having been displaced from airports by unworthy upstarts, I'm glad to see Brooks Brothers still has a place in this country.
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Shbobdb posted:Despite having been displaced from airports by unworthy upstarts, I'm glad to see Brooks Brothers still has a place in this country. You should have seen their Florida tour in 2000. It was a riot.
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Instant Sunrise posted:You should have seen their Florida tour in 2000. I believe it. You are nothing until you are something. <insert something here> You've got to be somebody's baby!
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Pelosi has five kids. Presumably the photo includes lots of her kids' spouses and their kids.
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Leperflesh posted:Pelosi has five kids. Presumably the photo includes lots of her kids' spouses and their kids. Counterpoint: Mormonism was big in California and secret Mormons still run the show. Edit: The post-Trump Wikipedia article on Secret Jews is Stormfront level poo poo so my joke is no longer funny. Shbobdb fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Shbobdb posted:Counterpoint: Mormonism was big in California and secret Mormons still run the show. She's a catholic from a very catholic family and went to catholic school and married a catholic man. She's got a big family because, Catholic.
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Leperflesh posted:She's a catholic from a very catholic family and went to catholic school and married a catholic man. She's got a big family because, Catholic. Despite my edit, I have to ask, are you anti-Catholic? Because I've been banned for much less. Holy loving poo poo.
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What? What in my post gave you even the tiniest impression of that? The Roman Catholic Church continues to maintain its ban on birth control. Consequently, many Catholic families have a lot of kids. That's not an opinion or a condemnation or anything, it's just a fact. So, probably Pelosi has so many children because she's Catholic. I voted for her at least twice while I was living in San Francisco and if I was still there, I'd vote for her some more. e. Like, I'm genuinely shocked that you thought my post was remotely negative. Do you think it's wrong to point out that Catholics often have large families???
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Leperflesh posted:I have Catholic friends, they just can't contain their carnal desire! WTF? I've always figured you were pretty much the worst but holy loving poo poo!  Tell me more about the Catholic scourge on our land! Edit: Leperflesh posted:I voted for Barack Hussein Obama! I can't be racist!
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Leperflesh posted:Like, I'm genuinely shocked that you thought my post was remotely negative. Do you think it's wrong to point out that Catholics often have large families??? Insofar as it is a hateful stereotype . . . yeah?
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what the gently caress is wrong with you are you drunk? having large families is not a hateful stereotype
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Yes, the fecundity of Irish, Italian and Mexicans have never been a major argument for racists against them. WTF?
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Leperflesh posted:what the gently caress is wrong with you gently caress you.
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I wanna point out here that your response to her having a large family was "LOL secret mormons." Do you think it's terrible that Mormons also often have large families? Fecundity is not in question; as I mentioned before, many Catholics all over the world continue to obey the Catholic Church's ban on all forms of birth control besides the rhythm method. As an immediate and measurable consequence, Catholic families are statistically larger than the families of most other religious groups. I do not know for a fact whether or not Pelosi does or did use birth control, and I don't care either way. If I've said anything wrong, at worst it's that I attempted to defend her from this kind of bullshit withak posted:Goddam do they like to gently caress or what by pointing out her religion, when in actual fact having a large family does not require any defense, it's fine. But really I was just pointing out to you that she wasn't a Mormon, because (prior to your edit) it seemed as though you were accusing her of being secretly Mormon - with the implication that that would be terrible, probably because it's terrible how those drat Mormons have all those kids, amirite? Don't turn this on me, dude.
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Shbobdb posted:gently caress you. You have the perfect avatar and title. Nobody is saying that Catholics are a scourge. Many Catholics having larger families than average is something widely acknowledged in the Catholic communities I've been around, and I don't think I've ever heard any of them refer to it as a hateful stereotype.
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This is me: "Black people on average are more likely to carry the sickle cell anemia trait" this is you: "ARGH gently caress YOU YOU RACIST HOW DARE YOU" this is me: "About one in four women report having been the victims of sexual assault or rape at some point in their lives" you: "YOU SEXIST rear end in a top hat gently caress YOU" me: "here is a fact about a group that might explain something we're talking about" you: "I'll assume you only mentioned that fact because you're a bigot, despite absolutely no evidence of that, and then attack you viciously for it" (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I mean, it's not like Catholic strongholds like France, Ireland and Italy have higher contraceptive use than the "average" American (which I guess means "Protestant"). I like how rather than just accepting criticism, you are doubling down and then searching through my post history to find incriminating remarks. It's almost like you don't want to engage in your own anti-Catholic bias and instead want to try and flip it around and somehow make me the bigot. I'll give you: it's a proven strategy. According to the American Media, the only real racists are Jesse Jackson Jr, Al Sharpton and any other black person that might have ever said anything bad against a white person. Kudos. You "win" the rhetorical battle. I hope you've got those sheets nice and bleached for the march!
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Leperflesh posted:This is me: Edit: I am loving LOVING all the "I have Catholic friends and they joke about this stuff!" posts. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Yes, please continue to edit my non-racist comments into racist ones, as if that proves anything. I did not go looking through your post history, either, I don't know where you got that idea.
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Shbobdb posted:Edit: Please quote a single one of those posts, because I don't see any.
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Leperflesh posted:Yes, please continue to edit my non-racist comments into racist ones, as if that proves anything. It proves someone is drunk on a Wednesday. Your reading comprehension is clearly inhibited  \/ Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Leperflesh posted:Please quote a single one of those posts, because I don't see any.
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