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Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

So the oppo file on Ellison is all from the 90s. I wish the Clinton/Obama wing would try and win on merit rather than ratfuckery, not so much for the sake of fairness, but because that was a factor in why Clinton lost in the first place. UK Labour here we come!

I'll get to visit Ed in person!

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Princess Di
Apr 23, 2016

by zen death robot

Aurubin posted:

So the oppo file on Ellison is all from the 90s. I wish the Clinton/Obama wing would try and win on merit rather than ratfuckery, not so much for the sake of fairness, but because that was a factor in why Clinton lost in the first place. UK Labour here we come!

I'll get to visit Ed in person!

Especially when there was no oppo done on Trump.

They could have dropped a video every day of the election.

Every time CNN goes back to hand wringing over emails boom oppo.

Why are they bothering with Keith Ellison?

The party is moving left, so let it.

The former leaders of the party are not there anymore, what are they defending?

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Princess Di posted:


The former leaders of the party are not there anymore, what are they defending?

Their paychecks.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

GlyphGryph posted:

Am working on it but it's not gonna happen in time for the DNC chair election, although I would also like to see him not throwing us under the bus as we try god damnnit

yeah, my beef is that having the chair without a significant portion of seats is useless and potentially counterproductive. the potential benefit of having the chair isn't that much without the seats to back it up, and the risks are pretty significant.

it particularly bothers me that it was Florida he shat on, because I used to live there, and florida progressives already had more than enough reason to be disillusioned with the Democratic party. meeting that centrist prick bill nelson permanently ended any interest I ever had in working for or otherwise helping the florida Dems in any way

Main Paineframe has issued a correction as of 04:15 on Dec 22, 2016

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Serf posted:

I agree with this post.

Public Service Announcement: Do not watch netflix original The OA. If you choose to ignore this advice and watch The OA, please turn it off after episode 7 and make up your own ending, because literally anything you could come up with would be better than the audiovisual reaming out I just endured.

i'm not planning on watching the OA, what's the summary behind it and why does it Mass Effect/Life is Strange so hard?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Main Paineframe posted:

yeah, my beef is that having the chair without a significant portion of seats is useless and potentially counterproductive. the potential benefit of having the chair isn't that much without the seats to back it up, and the risks are pretty significant.

it particularly bothers me that it was Florida he shat on, because florida progressives already had more than enough reason to be disillusioned with the Democratic party. meeting that centrist prick bill nelson permanently ended any interest I ever had in working for or otherwise helping the florida Dems in any way

chair, seats, donors, lobbyists, whatever. all of it must be wrested back. nothing but solid.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Pollyanna posted:

i'm not planning on watching the OA, what's the summary behind it and why does it Mass Effect/Life is Strange so hard?

the whole show is about this lady who disappears for seven years and then shows up again, only now she's not blind. she spends the next 8 episodes telling these 5 people (4 kids and Phyllis from The Office) her whole life story, born to a Russian oligarch, survived a near-death experience and lost her sight, she gets smuggled to America and her dad dies, and then she is adopted by some people and grows up. she gets a weird dream about her dad and runs away to NYC to find him, then gets taken in by this scientist who studies near-death experiences. the dude flies her out to his remote house/lab, and surprise, he's not above board and he locks her in a glass cage with some other near-death survivors. then there's a lot of stuff about he keeps killing them and bringing them back to discover the afterlife, we learn about alternate dimensions and angels that are teaching the captives dance moves that will open a portal to let them escape. they dance a dude back to life. well, some bullshit goes down, the scientist dumps her off, and in the middle of that big dramatic moment it all comes crashing down when people discover their secret meetings, it all goes to poo poo and the band breaks up and discovers a bunch of books under her bed that show she was making it all up. then she has a premonition, runs off, and at the school where all the kids go there's a loving school shooter OUTTA NOWHERE, and they use the dance moves she taught them to... distract they guy until a lunch worker takes him out. the main lady gets shot and then it just kinda... ends???

tl;dr the show goes one way for 7 1/2 episodes and then basically they couldn't come up with an ending and wrote something completely unrelated to the rest of it

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

that does sound really dumb and bad

Princess Di
Apr 23, 2016

by zen death robot

Agean90 posted:

Their paychecks.

Ah.

:master:

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Serf posted:

the whole show is about this lady who disappears for seven years and then shows up again, only now she's not blind. she spends the next 8 episodes telling these 5 people (4 kids and Phyllis from The Office) her whole life story, born to a Russian oligarch, survived a near-death experience and lost her sight, she gets smuggled to America and her dad dies, and then she is adopted by some people and grows up. she gets a weird dream about her dad and runs away to NYC to find him, then gets taken in by this scientist who studies near-death experiences. the dude flies her out to his remote house/lab, and surprise, he's not above board and he locks her in a glass cage with some other near-death survivors. then there's a lot of stuff about he keeps killing them and bringing them back to discover the afterlife, we learn about alternate dimensions and angels that are teaching the captives dance moves that will open a portal to let them escape. they dance a dude back to life. well, some bullshit goes down, the scientist dumps her off, and in the middle of that big dramatic moment it all comes crashing down when people discover their secret meetings, it all goes to poo poo and the band breaks up and discovers a bunch of books under her bed that show she was making it all up. then she has a premonition, runs off, and at the school where all the kids go there's a loving school shooter OUTTA NOWHERE, and they use the dance moves she taught them to... distract they guy until a lunch worker takes him out. the main lady gets shot and then it just kinda... ends???

tl;dr the show goes one way for 7 1/2 episodes and then basically they couldn't come up with an ending and wrote something completely unrelated to the rest of it

what the gently caress

tbqh the grand majority of that sounds not very good at all

Serf
May 5, 2011


Pollyanna posted:

what the gently caress

tbqh the grand majority of that sounds not very good at all

I mean I'm making it sound dumb as gently caress in light of the ending, but most of it is pretty compelling. I'm making GBS threads on it because if you can't stick the landing everything else falls apart.

Princess Di
Apr 23, 2016

by zen death robot

Pollyanna posted:

what the gently caress

tbqh the grand majority of that sounds not very good at all

Well my assumption is it's really pretty, so it looks good enough to sell you on most of it and then becomes a flaming dumpster at the end.

That's my impression from the description, I haven't watched it myself.

And yes, I read the spoilers because I know I hate shows that I get invested in only to have a crappy ending petty much above all.

It's why I don't watch 30 Rock reruns because I shipped Tina Fey and Alec Baldwin's characters so hard.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
https://twitter.com/cshirky/status/787827040116363264

Princess Di
Apr 23, 2016

by zen death robot

?????



Yo this makes no sense.


Why are they doing this?

Serf
May 5, 2011


Princess Di posted:

?????



Yo this makes no sense.


Why are they doing this?

check the date on the tweet

and no, it didn't make sense then either

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

Should have spent that money on more molotovs tbh.

Serf
May 5, 2011


democrats are so loving dumb we literally helped the enemy lol

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

gently caress that bullshit spend $100 on alcohol for your county campaign office and loving let folk know there are to parties in america, one that is pro drink and the other which sides with sharia law

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Main Paineframe posted:

yeah, my beef is that having the chair without a significant portion of seats is useless and potentially counterproductive. the potential benefit of having the chair isn't that much without the seats to back it up, and the risks are pretty significant.

it particularly bothers me that it was Florida he shat on, because I used to live there, and florida progressives already had more than enough reason to be disillusioned with the Democratic party. meeting that centrist prick bill nelson permanently ended any interest I ever had in working for or otherwise helping the florida Dems in any way

Uhh I don't think it could be more counterproductive than the current DNC style leadership that's lost us every single branch of the government.

Serf
May 5, 2011


this reminds me of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Bader

specifically

quote:

The Germans treated Bader with great respect. When he bailed out, Bader's right prosthetic leg became trapped in the aircraft, and he escaped only when the leg's retaining straps snapped after he pulled the ripcord on his parachute.[124] General Adolf Galland notified the British of his damaged leg and offered them safe passage to drop off a replacement. Hermann Göring himself gave the green light for the operation. The British responded on 19 August 1941 with the "Leg Operation" — an RAF bomber was allowed to drop a new prosthetic leg by parachute to St Omer, a Luftwaffe base in occupied France, as part of Circus 81 involving six Bristol Blenheims and a sizeable fighter escort. The Germans were less impressed when, task done, the bombers proceeded on to their bombing mission to Gosnay Power Station near Bethune, although bad weather prevented the target being attacked. Galland stated in an interview that the aircraft dropped the leg after bombing Galland's airfield.

Princess Di
Apr 23, 2016

by zen death robot

:pusheen:

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Princess Di posted:

Bad dem!

Bad dem!

Sit!

Now, stay!

I'm not a pet, I'm part of the minority vote and lol if the party thinks they can't lose that.

If I can't even speak on certain things with my supposed allies?

Do I have allies?

The reason why you and MPF are hated is because you're both retarded drama queens who would rather people starve then your taxes go up.

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Crowsbeak posted:

The reason why you and MPF are hated is because you're both retarded drama queens who would rather people starve then your taxes go up.

I thought you somehow got stealth probated for this but man D&D doesn't "get it" "at all"

Princess Di
Apr 23, 2016

by zen death robot

Crowsbeak posted:

The reason why you and MPF are hated is because you're both retarded drama queens who would rather people starve then your taxes go up.

Um, no that's not true.

Are you confusing me with someone else?

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/MartinLRitter/status/811804549602283524

https://twitter.com/DanielKayHertz/status/811814544305754112

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

I think it is cool of MIGF to make all these public for us to chew on and understand where he's coming from

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

:getin:

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007


https://twitter.com/DanielKayHertz/status/811804000848904192

https://twitter.com/MartinLRitter/status/811795912674643968

Abrasive Obelisk
May 2, 2013

I joined th
ROVPACK IN THE HOOUUUUSE!
:vince:
he still knows...
(screams into the abyss) RAHM EMMANUEL

(also screams) can we please primary this guy

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

Abrasive Obelisk posted:

(screams into the abyss) RAHM EMMANUEL

(also screams) can we please primary this guy

the abyss answers in a voice not heard for eight years

CHICAGO POLITICS

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

what do you call your act?

The democrats!

Princess Di
Apr 23, 2016

by zen death robot

redneck nazgul posted:

the abyss answers in a voice not heard for eight years

CHICAGO POLITICS




Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

the other ones were bad but i don't know what's wrong with this one. i'm virulently opposed to charters, but trying to get corporations to donate money to fund your schools seems like a good thing

Rand alPaul
Feb 3, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo

Princess Di posted:


The party is moving left, so let it.

The former leaders of the party are not there anymore, what are they defending?

Sadly, everything people before the election were saying about the Republican Party ended up being true about the Democratic Party: its leaders don't give a poo poo about winning, they are just interested in making money as consultants and lobbyists, they want to stay well-paid talking heads as long as possible and could careless about enacting any meaningful agenda. It's really quite alarming.

Princess Di
Apr 23, 2016

by zen death robot

Rand alPaul posted:

Sadly, everything people before the election were saying about the Republican Party ended up being true about the Democratic Party: its leaders don't give a poo poo about winning, they are just interested in making money as consultants and lobbyists, they want to stay well-paid talking heads as long as possible and could careless about enacting any meaningful agenda. It's really quite alarming.

So in the end they just all want to retire with a cushy job on CNN or as a corporate lobbyist.

:wth:

No one is at the wheel.

No one is at the wheel.


Princess Di has issued a correction as of 08:51 on Dec 22, 2016

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Princess Di posted:

So in the end they just all want to retire with a cushy job on CNN or as a corporate lobbyist.

:wth:

No one is at the wheel.

No one is at the wheel.

The car is on fire.
And there's no driver at the wheel.
And the sewers are all muddied with a thousand lonely suicides.
And a dark wind blows.

The government is corrupt.
And we're all so many drunks with the radio on and the curtains drawn.

We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine.
And the machine is bleeding to death.

The sun has fallen down
And the billboards are all leering
And the flags are all dead
At the top of their poles.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Concerned Citizen posted:

the other ones were bad but i don't know what's wrong with this one. i'm virulently opposed to charters, but trying to get corporations to donate money to fund your schools seems like a good thing

i can't see how being beheld to corporations could possibly harm education in any way

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


please do not post about harming the us government

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Joementum posted:

This is a problem larger than Hillary Clinton.



This is the problem called Hillary Clinton because she purposefully deprived downticket candidates of funding.

Confirming her reputation as a vile Machiavellian, she did exactly one of the things on which which she crucified Sanders - unlike him, she was supposed to be the great political operator with the know-how to bolster her fellow candidates for the Congress, instead she deliberately weakened them despite their pleas.

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Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

redneck nazgul posted:

the abyss answers in a voice not heard for eight years

CHICAGO POLITICS

Is there a good book or anything on this subject because Chicago seems like a very special place every time I hear of it.

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