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hump day bitches! posted:That scouting report is just incredible, how the gently caress did he got drafted in the second?
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Alaois posted:tall_white_quarterbacks.txt Ha ha oh man, that really hits the nail on the head for dudes like Mallett and Osweiler. Why are NFL front offices so enamored with arm size and height when it's obvious accuracy and decision making are so much more important. They all seem to think after some kid has spent 15 years since peewee launching the football into orbit against garbage defenses that their staff will be the one to hone him into a precision weapon.
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Hackenberg is the opposite of the intangibles guys. He's all tangibles. It's his passes that are intangible.
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Let's compare:quote:ANALYSIS I was going to do a guess who but NFL made it way too obvious with the comparable / bottom line comparables. Come on now NFL scouts.
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NFL COMPARISON: Black Quarterback BOTTOM LINE: Prescott is built like (Black Quarterback)
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Ha ha oh man, that really hits the nail on the head for dudes like Mallett and Osweiler. Why are NFL front offices so enamored with arm size and height when it's obvious accuracy and decision making are so much more important. They all seem to think after some kid has spent 15 years since peewee launching the football into orbit against garbage defenses that their staff will be the one to hone him into a precision weapon. Worked out pretty well with Aaron Rodgers
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^^^^ Rodgers was considered a system QB with a great arm who had been super accurate but had the Tedford stink on him. It's not the same thing at all. corn on the cop posted:NFL COMPARISON: Black Quarterback Even for Jameis Winston who mostly got Roethlisburger comparisons they still would reach for Byron Leftwich as a comp.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:^^^^ Rodgers was considered a system QB with a great arm who had been super accurate but had the Tedford stink on him. It's not the same thing at all. I was more thinking about his terrible pre-Green Bay mechanics, which were supposed to hinder him at the pro level
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hump day bitches! posted:That scouting report is just incredible, how the gently caress did he got drafted in the second? He was the top quarterback of the recruiting class that year, he never lived up to that potential, and instead of just accepting that outcome, some NFL scouts think "NFL arm" and that's all they need to hear. He wasn't good his last two years at Penn State, and this year Penn State was much better with a new quarterback.
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:I was more thinking about his terrible pre-Green Bay mechanics, which were supposed to hinder him at the pro level He also sat a long time and they spent all that time reworking his mechanics.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Ha ha oh man, that really hits the nail on the head for dudes like Mallett and Osweiler. Why are NFL front offices so enamored with arm size and height when it's obvious accuracy and decision making are so much more important. They all seem to think after some kid has spent 15 years since peewee launching the football into orbit against garbage defenses that their staff will be the one to hone him into a precision weapon. Prior to the neutering of defenses in the early 2000s, you couldn't have these accurate little midgets playing QB. First off, the receivers couldn't get off the line and be open. Secondly, they hadn't figured out how to So basically the only QB you could have was a giant mountain of a human who could throw it deep and not die when hit. This was the prototype for every single QB, and things like speed of release loving didn't matter at all. See someone like Kerry Collins, who would probably be a third round draft pick today with the way he wind mill'd the ball out. Almost all of the guys in charge of NFL teams now came up during that era, and it's a difficult impulse to shake. Compounding this is the failure of numerous smaller, "accurate" types who were really just products of gimmick college offenses like Ted Tedford QBs. Brees is the perfect embodiment of all of this. He was serviceable when he was first drafted, then nearly had his career ended. If they hadn't made it impossible for defenses to press receivers, or let defenders hit QBs, Brees career would have ended in a couple seasons for good. Then the passing rules changes, he gets with a creative coach, the league decides hitting white QBs is illegal, and boom he goes nuts. I mean poo poo Tom Brady has developed into whatever but when he was drafted he was just a tall, slow white guy with a good enough arm who was on the same level as Tim Rattay.
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hump day bitches! posted:That scouting report is just incredible, how the gently caress did he got drafted in the second? I am rarely down on a player before seeing them in action in the NFL. Usually it takes a special storm of media hype and blatant ineptitude to get me to bite, like Vernon Gholston, Mark Sanchez, or Morris Claiborne. And even then I can begrudgingly admit that certain guys can play at the NFL level, just not at the level expected of their draft stock. Christian Hackenberg has, on several pieces of video evidence, mind you, thrown a ball directly at a linebacker for a game ending interception. He's turned innumerable short balls into wobbly, lofting ducks that get picked off at the second level on screen passes. He's stepped up directly into his o-linemen so many times that they think he's Julia Styles. His pocket presence is existential. Despite all this, somehow Penn State homers gave him every excuse in the book and every nationally televised Penn State game would follow the route of mumbling about Sandusky into congratulating O'Brien on rebuilding the program into dick sucking Hackenberg. Then when O'Brien left and Franklin couldn't win games with 3 star transfers Hackenberg got the Mark Sanchez treatment from the announcers. Not a single interception was his fault. Every play Allen Robinson bailed him out on would immediately be revered upon onto a literal Hack instead. Every college football fan knew he was going to tumble in the draft and UDFA somewhere and the Jets took him in the loving second. These are the faces of football morons:  
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There is a lot of hubris in NFL scouting/coaching. The scouting may say he is bad, but has good size and a cannon arm, and the coach simply thinks "I can fix him!" when it may not matter where the guy goes. Some coaches are good and can maximize talent, but short of a handful of cases if a guy is failure at one place, there isn't any fixing him.
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CharlestheHammer posted:He also sat a long time and they spent all that time reworking his mechanics. Yes but the discussion is about why coaches think they can fix QBs, which why Aaron is an example of one that got fixed
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Dec 22, 2016 04:26
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You'd think after Drew Brees and Russell Wilson blew up NFL scouts would be like "huh, maybe QB height isn't the end-all-be-all." Then Brock Osweiler gets $72 million and Christian Hackenberg goes in the second round and you realize NFL scouts are just really loving stuck in their ways.
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Yes but the discussion is about why coaches think they can fix QBs, which why Aaron is an example of one that got fixed The problem is in general they think they can fix them quickly and sitting a QB for any length of time is no longer a tenable position. Especially on bad teams.
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swickles posted:There is a lot of hubris in NFL scouting/coaching. The scouting may say he is bad, but has good size and a cannon arm, and the coach simply thinks "I can fix him!" when it may not matter where the guy goes. Some coaches are good and can maximize talent, but short of a handful of cases if a guy is failure at one place, there isn't any fixing him. Hackenberg is a turd
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Benne posted:You'd think after Drew Brees and Russell Wilson blew up NFL scouts would be like "huh, maybe QB height isn't the end-all-be-all." Brees was the first pick in the second round, so he had expectations. Wilson and Dak are anomalies. For every player like them there are fifty colt McCoy's and Brett hundleys.
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Benne posted:You'd think after Drew Brees and Russell Wilson blew up NFL scouts would be like "huh, maybe QB height isn't the end-all-be-all." "being able to actually play football" is super underrated in scouting IMHO
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Drew Brees is really the exception. Wilsons three year stretch is possibly it for him. The injuries are just going to continue to take his toll, and he's going to have difficulty transitioning his playing style, especially considering the defense is going to begin a decline and his offensive line is uh....yeah.
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CharlestheHammer posted:The problem is in general they think they can fix them quickly and sitting a QB for any length of time is no longer a tenable position. who's even sat as long as rodgers since that happened? I can't think of anyone. Even goff sitting half the season was unusual
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I don't have a problem with short QBs. I have a problem with middle height QBs with lame names. I'm looking at you, J.P. Losman's of the world!
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mastershakeman posted:who's even sat as long as rodgers since that happened? I can't think of anyone. Even goff sitting half the season was unusual Kirk Cousins, though not particularly on purpose and he was a low-round flier.
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mastershakeman posted:who's even sat as long as rodgers since that happened? I can't think of anyone. Even goff sitting half the season was unusual *ahem* 
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mastershakeman posted:who's even sat as long as rodgers since that happened? I can't think of anyone. Even goff sitting half the season was unusual hundley? tyrod taylor?
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Doltos posted:I don't have a problem with short QBs. I have a problem with middle height QBs with lame names. I'm looking at you, J.P. Losman's of the world!
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i should've phrased that as 'on purpose' with sitting the heir apparent.
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mastershakeman posted:i should've phrased that as 'on purpose' with sitting the heir apparent. Brock still counts, he was drafted in the second to be both insurance for Peyton if he was broken and if not then as Peyton's heir. Sitting, uh, doesn't appear to have helped him like it did with Rodgers.
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No Irish Need Imply posted:RinglessRiversComic.jpg Bruh
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FizFashizzle posted:Drew Brees is really the exception. This take comes in at above jalapeño level but below habañero.
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Who in the top 5 is a massive injury risk and will be a massive bust due to injuries and being bad? Need to place on bet on who the Bears draft.
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Though on a side note Mitch Trubisky sounds like the most Bears rear end Bears Quarterback name ever. So I kinda hope they draft him even though he screams bust to me.
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Dexo posted:Who in the top 5 is a massive injury risk and will be a massive bust due to injuries and being bad? Fournette's had (non-serious long term as far as I know) ankle issues all year and is the most talented back since Peterson to come out of college, so I guess him right now? The only reason he wouldn't go top 5 based on talent is the theory that RBs are fungible or if the ankle scares people.
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i'll shoot every single person in chicago if the bears draft fournette
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mastershakeman posted:i'll shoot every single person in chicago if the bears draft fournette Would anyone even notice a difference?
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big money big clit posted:Would anyone even notice a difference? no, i'll be as uncatchable as that german guy
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Dexo posted:Who in the top 5 is a massive injury risk and will be a massive bust due to injuries and being bad? Probably Leonard Fournette's knee.
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Doltos posted:Probably Leonard Fournette's knee. I thought he was an ankle.
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mastershakeman posted:i'll shoot every single person in chicago if the bears draft fournette if they pick Fournette with Jordan Howard already looking like a good running back I'll throw a fit
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