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I think I might duck out of as many holiday events as possible. The chain of command panic over Op Honour and making sure nothing goes wrong is going to be more cringeworthy than ever. It also misses the point that most of the bad poo poo that happens goes down at The Warehouse or barracks anyways.
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Frosted Flake posted:I think I might duck out of as many holiday events as possible. The chain of command panic over Op Honour and making sure nothing goes wrong is going to be more cringeworthy than ever. It also misses the point that most of the bad poo poo that happens goes down at The Warehouse or barracks anyways.
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And really, shouldn't it have been named Op Offer instead?
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Canuck-Errant posted:And really, shouldn't it have been named Op Offer instead?  They're charging guys for jokes like that
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Frosted Flake posted:
There are times I question my decision to get out this is not one of those times.
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MA-Horus posted:There are times I question my decision to get out Ayup. Admittedly I do miss the cheap beer at the mess.
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I don't know if I'm just lucky or just work with non-creepy people who respect each other, but I haven't found Op Honor as cringy and hamfisted as some people make it out to be. The biggest whiners about it seem to be guys who buy into bullshit MRA redpill talking points. Maybe I just don't "get" military culture 
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Canuck-Errant posted:Ayup. Admittedly I do miss the cheap beer at the mess. True. However, I am decidedly unwelcome in the mess. I kicked up 'a bit of a fuss' during my release because apparently the adj can't read and doesn't know how to use a telephone, so when they misspelled my email address and sent an exit interview request to a different email address and I never answered, they just assumed "other than honorable release". I found out about it and basically started screaming at a Captain, who then involved the chief clerk (WO) who I also screamed at. Turns out corporals screaming at WOs and nobles isn't exactly "how to do things" in the CF circa 2010.
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Well poo poo. Just drink at the Legion and show up at the levy.
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Is there a list of ranks at whom Cpls are allowed to scream? Other than ceremonially or in a combat situation obv. Oh, and excluding when working as a signaller.
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Canuck-Errant posted:Is there a list of ranks at whom Cpls are allowed to scream? Other than ceremonially or in a combat situation obv. Oh, and excluding when working as a signaller. All of them (results will vary).
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BIG NORTH posted:All of them (results will vary).
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Welp , just got my offer for MARS today friends. 14 months after I walked into the CFRC. I've read this entire thread ft. Samu's combat eng journey, some experienced peeps warning against going MARS, BMOQ advice, etc Will go into this journey with an open mind and report back. SuperSix fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Canadian Military Status Update: Christmas time and everything shuts down. Taking leave earlier in the year so you have no annual for Christmas is an excellent protip. It's basically like I'm on leave.
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I went into November with over 20 unused days of leave plus a some comp/special time I was never able to cash out. I'm poo poo at taking leave 
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A CANFORGEN was just issued saying members convicted of sexual misconduct (any; not just assaults) as of a year ago shall be recommended for release. Good riddance.
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Frosted Flake posted:A CANFORGEN was just issued saying members convicted of sexual misconduct (any; not just assaults) as of a year ago shall be recommended for release. I thought the Liberals weren't planning on any major downsizing of the military 
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I also realized that nobody knows what fraternization means. A buddy of mine went to a course party where 2 (married) warrants and a sergeant went home with candidates. If I understand fraternization is only with civilians and military of a foreign country, and since this was a course party the candidates were no longer in the same CoC as the staff. So, is behavior like that in the clear? OP Honor is important, but there needs to be some clarification. Charging Cpls for making inappropriate jokes won't do much to improve the culture (or the stats) if NCOs are up to the same poo poo they've always been.
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Frosted Flake posted:OP Honor is important, but there needs to be some clarification. Charging Cpls for making inappropriate jokes won't do much to improve the culture (or the stats) if NCOs are up to the same poo poo they've always been. I had the pleasure of sitting through a US SAPR brief and virtually all the hypotheticals up for discussion involved junior members (ie, 18 - 23 year olds) doing 18 - 23 year old poo poo (ie, hooking up at boozy parties or saying stupid things). Understanding nuances of consent and the power of words is totes important and A Good Thing, but it completely avoided talking about power disparities that lead to abuses of authority or the predatory poo poo that seems to be more common in senior leadership*. I got a great sounding non-answer when I asked about it, which makes me think the whole thing was like 80% institutional CYA. It seems popular to hate on Op Honor, but compared to the US equivalent it's way better in my (n=1) opinion. It comes across as way less ham-fisted, does more than scratch the surface of root causes, and feels like it's trying to actually change attitudes. *per their JAG website at the time, half the reported incidents involved O-5/E-7 and above
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Frosted Flake posted:A CANFORGEN was just issued saying members convicted of sexual misconduct (any; not just assaults) as of a year ago shall be recommended for release. Hypothetically, if one were to be jerking off in the driver's seat of a LAV in the middle of the night and, hypothetically, accidentally queue the IC and broadcast ones passionate grunts and moans to the entire vehicle, would that be enough to be charged with sexual misconduct and given the boot? Asking for a friend. Thanks in advance.
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Samu posted:Hypothetically, if one were to be jerking off in the driver's seat of a LAV in the middle of the night and, hypothetically, accidentally queue the IC and broadcast ones passionate grunts and moans to the entire vehicle, would that be enough to be charged with sexual misconduct and given the boot? hahaha glorious.
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flakeloaf posted:Pretty sure that's just an ND. 
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flakeloaf posted:Pretty sure that's just an ND. 
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flakeloaf posted:Pretty sure that's just an ND. 
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I'm fuckin' dying over here Apparently the Ukranians were using some home-brewed gun data computer on an android app, and they were using it for their field artillery positions. But their positions kept getting wrecked and they couldn't figure out why The Russians hacked the app, which had the cell GPS data for the gun positions That's so mind-bogglingly stupid I almost can't believe it.
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MA-Horus posted:I'm fuckin' dying over here Add to this that Russian Counterybattery is usually cluster munitions from MRLS and you have a bad day for anyone in that grid square. The Ukrainians also tried to use countermortar radars for CB work and apparently that made them really big targets as Russians are good at direction finding and targeting.
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MA-Horus posted:The Russians hacked the app, which had the cell GPS data for the gun positions I was wondering what happened with that. Comms sec is real, people.
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To what extent is aiming/positioning guns computerized? I always assumed that the guns were aimed and adjusted manually, but to be honest I've never been on ex with the artillery. What is an arty ex anyways? You just go to a range, set up a camp, run pretend fire missions then pack up and go home?
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Samu posted:To what extent is aiming/positioning guns computerized? Samu posted:I always assumed that the guns were aimed and adjusted manually, but to be honest I've never been on ex with the artillery. Samu posted:What is an arty ex anyways? You just go to a range, set up a camp, run pretend fire missions then pack up and go home? And we always put together a fire plan. We have FOO qualified officers who come out of exes frequently. A fire plan is kinda just sequential fire missions on pre-registered targets. Actually while I'm thinking about Pet, one of the first stories I heard when I joined was about how my unit took out a cottage in Algonquin Park back in the 1970s. Turns out it wasn't us, and I only found that out because one for the old guys who comes around for mess dinners was in our CP that same weekend, and heard the check firing come over the wire from regiment. After an investigation, they found out a gun det 2IC hosed up the charge bags. He put two chrg7 bags in the same round. It sailed about 2 km fully passed its intended target. As for the cottage, it turns out it didn't hit the building itself, but destroyed the dock. Where the owner had been standing less than 5 minutes prior. I don't think anyone knows what became of that MBdr, exactly.
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Half of the Arty exercises I was on involved driving the safety officer to Range Control to explain why we had a flaming stove on the Z Lines or dropped rounds on a reverse bearing or our own observers or nearly hit the highway or... The other half had newly arrived officers deciding that foot patrols in knee deep snow would be a good way to keep everyone occupied between missions. The 777 is notionally more computerized but about half of the stuff in the artillery is broken at any given time. The gun shed looks like a chop shop as often as not. e: Everytime Arty chat comes up I wonder if the other arms know even a quarter of our screw-ups. It's like if the armour guys were running poo poo over with tanks almost every time when went out and sabots were sailing over Fredericton on a regular basis. Frosted Flake fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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I think the worst I ever did personally was firing the bushmaster on the LAV. I squeezed the trigger just as we crested a log or something and fired a burst of 20mm into the night sky in Wainwright. I'm sure everything was fine. Honestly for us engineers the worst screw ups we would have involved dropping bridges into the gap. We dropped a 22 bay 2 story bridge into the North Saskatchewan doing demonstration in St. Albert for civilians. Explosive demolitions is actually pretty foolproof, and the landmines we lose are almost always training mines. I did find a very old, rusted out mine in Chilcotin once that had probably been there for 20 years. It was rusted to the point of being unidentifiable as training or live, so we just blew it up for safety.
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Generation Internet posted:Took him all of a few months to get tinnitus, too. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWHATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE haha gunner's ear amirite also that thing that makes my ears hurt like a motherfucker whenever steel hits steel in the machining center I work in
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No no VAC is pretty sure you have a pre-existing genetic ear problem.
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