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Retro Futurist posted:Spider-Man and X-Men were pretty damned big and in the middle of all that I know I'm just going off of what Rhyno was saying about the relaunch. When Begins came out we didn't yet know that Spider-Man's next film was going to hobble that property for years and Iron Man was the start of the MCU.
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Dec 22, 2016 19:44
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Dick Tracy, The Rocketeer, The Shadow, The Phantom, The Punisher (Dolph Lundgren), Captain America (Matt Salinger), Spawn, Steel. Also Darkman.
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Dec 22, 2016 19:46
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Rhyno posted:Wasn't the Dolph Punisher film shot in 1987 and it sat in a drawer for a few years? Apparently it was slated to be released about two months after Batman premiered, but was pushed back until April, '91. Except in West Germany. It sounds like a very complicated production.
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Dec 22, 2016 19:53
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Wheat Loaf posted:Also Darkman. Dammit, I forgot Darkman. And there were also two sequels that I've never seen... probably for the best.
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Dec 22, 2016 19:55
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Lurdiak posted:Batman Begins owned. Hell yes it did. They can go ahead and reuse Cillian Murphy and Gary Oldman in every Batman franchise, I will not be complaining.
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Dec 22, 2016 19:58
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People can say a lot of poo poo about Nolan as a director, and I'd agree with most of them, but he sure knows his casting.
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Dec 22, 2016 20:00
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Phylodox posted:Apparently it was slated to be released about two months after Batman premiered, but was pushed back until April, '91. Except in West Germany. It sounds like a very complicated production. I think there was a large gap in the shooting as well, like a multi month long break. There was an issue of Starlog that detailed it but it was like 25 years ago.
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Dec 22, 2016 20:05
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Retro Futurist posted:Spider-Man and X-Men were pretty damned big and in the middle of all that X-Men was also the start of superhero movies being acceptable vehicles for "real" actors, that cannot be overstated.
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Dec 22, 2016 20:10
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I think Begins has one of my favorite versions of Gotham. The Narrows just look like a human ant-hill and the city over all has a very old feel to it, with layers built upon layers. TDK and DKR just look like they're in Chicago.
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Dec 22, 2016 20:14
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rantmo posted:X-Men was also the start of superhero movies being acceptable vehicles for "real" actors, that cannot be overstated. Do Jack Nicholson, Brando, Gene Hackman, Danny DeVito, Michelle Pfieffer, Ned Beatty, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carrey, Schwarzenegger, Liam Neeson, George Clooney and Wesley Snipes factor into this opinion? I don't think your observation holds up. poo poo, Richard Pryor was in Superman 3. If you want to count Dick Tracy, you have Pacino and Warren Beatty. Plenty of "real actors" have appeared in superhero stuff before X-Men.
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Dec 22, 2016 20:24
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Also Patrick Stewart is not a "real" actor.
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Dec 22, 2016 20:32
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Aphrodite posted:Also Patrick Stewart is not a "real" actor. I will fight you. 
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Dec 22, 2016 20:37
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I saw that Christmas Carol he did, it was terrible. How do you gently caress up a role that simple?
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Dec 22, 2016 20:38
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rantmo posted:X-Men was also the start of superhero movies being acceptable vehicles for "real" actors, that cannot be overstated. As stated, this is the wrongest post.
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Dec 22, 2016 20:57
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Aphrodite posted:Also Patrick Stewart is not a "real" actor.
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Dec 22, 2016 20:59
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One, there was an undeniable sea change that happened with X-Men, comic book movies became seen as something more than a lark/paycheck. Whether or not that is true in some objective sense is irrelevant, perceptions changed in the industry. Two, that's in no small part due to the fact that it featured two of the finest living Shakesperean actors and I don't even need to argue about the quality of Mckellan and Stewart.
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Dec 22, 2016 21:05
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Nobody cares about the BBC or Theater or Star Trek, man.
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Dec 22, 2016 21:07
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Aphrodite posted:Nobody cares about the BBC or Theater or Star Trek, man. Do I have to choke a bitch?
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rantmo posted:One, there was an undeniable sea change that happened with X-Men, comic book movies became seen as something more than a lark/paycheck. Whether or not that is true in some objective sense is irrelevant, perceptions changed in the industry. Two, that's in no small part due to the fact that it featured two of the finest living Shakesperean actors and I don't even need to argue about the quality of Mckellan and Stewart. No, you don't, but superhero movies featuring great actors (legends even) predates X-Men. poo poo, I wouldn't even arguer that X-Men was driven primarily by star power. McKellan and Stewart are great but neither of them had resumes (at the time) rivaling the people I mentioned. The only other big name in that film was Halle Barry. Hugh Jackman, playing the most popular character in the comic, was barely on anyone's radar at that time. If any film made superhero movies "acceptable for real actors" it was Batman and, arguably, Superman before that. Even the old Batman TV series featured several well known accomplished actors as villains.
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Dec 22, 2016 22:03
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Arnie was at one time the biggest box office draw on the planet and he did a Batman film years before X-Men. Now you all have his terrible Mr Freeze puns in your heads.
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Dec 22, 2016 22:07
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Rhyno posted:Arnie was at one time the biggest box office draw on the planet and he did a Batman film years before X-Men. I would but I can't get over someone saying that Patrick Stewart isn't a real actor. Waterhaul posts ITT fairly regularly to tell it to stop being so bad, but there is not a single peep on this critical issue :O
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Dec 22, 2016 22:10
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Waterhaul hasn't been mod for like 6+ months.
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Dec 22, 2016 22:12
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Lurdiak posted:Waterhaul hasn't been mod for like 6+ months. We shook off the shackles of terrible modding a lot longer ago than that. XO's been the boss in BSS for like a year and a half at least.
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Dec 22, 2016 22:14
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Time is a flat circle.
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Dec 22, 2016 22:15
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Lurdiak posted:Time is a flat circle. Your mom is a flat circle
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Dec 22, 2016 22:22
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XO knows Star Trek for what it is.
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purple death ray posted:Your mom is a flat circle My mom's hot.
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Dec 22, 2016 22:29
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Lurdiak posted:My mom's hot. 
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Dec 22, 2016 22:32
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Dammit, I forgot Darkman. And there were also two sequels that I've never seen... probably for the best. Darkman II: Return of Durant is fine. It reveals that Durant didn't die when his helicopter crashed into the bridge and exploded at the end of Darkman, but was instead in a coma for a while. He recovers, breaks a mad scientist out of jail and pays him to manufacture a laser gun which he plans to sell on the black market. There's one scene I remember where his buyers are these neo-Nazi terrorists, and after he demonstrates the weapon and they agree the sale, the Nazi leader proposes a toast and says, "To the right to bear arms!" and Durant's like, "The far right!" The sequels also give Darkman (now played by Arnold Vosloo of The Mummy fame) this locomotive he rides around the subway on so he can get to and from his Darkmancave. Raimi originally wanted to adapt either The Shadow or The Phantom but created Darkman when he couldn't get the rights for either of those. Imagine Sami Raimi's Shadow with Liam Neeson as Lamont Cranston. Another movie that you might be able to slot into that generation, but one that I think bridges the Batman '89 era and the Blade era, is The Crow. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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Dec 22, 2016 23:00
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Aphrodite posted:XO knows Star Trek for what it is. Two good movies since 2009?
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Dec 22, 2016 23:05
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Wheat Loaf posted:Another movie that you might be able to slot into that generation, but one that I think bridges the Batman '89 era and the Blade era, is The Crow. Oh absolutely. Pity about the sequels.
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Dec 22, 2016 23:11
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Wheat Loaf posted:The sequels also give Darkman (now played by Arnold Vosloo of The Mummy fame) this locomotive he rides around the subway on so he can get to and from his Darkmancave. Good call on The Crow. And the subterranean Darkman choo-choo train sounds incredible!
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Dec 22, 2016 23:11
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Rhyno posted:Oh absolutely. Pity about the sequels. I've never seen the Crow sequels. I think they star martial arts guys who later became better known for other stuff? Is Scott Adkins in one or am I mistaken? Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Good call on The Crow. And the subterranean Darkman choo-choo train sounds incredible! Here's what it looks like (from Darkman III).
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Dec 22, 2016 23:22
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I dunno if the crow is a superhero, turns out he wasnt as undead as he thought
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Dec 22, 2016 23:26
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Wheat Loaf posted:I've never seen the Crow sequels. I think they star martial arts guys who later became better known for other stuff? Is Scott Adkins in one or am I mistaken? The three sequels starred Vincent Perez, Eric Mabius and Edward Furlong (lol) respectively, none of whom were martial artists. There was a single season tv series that starred Marc Dacascos who was an accomplished martial artist, maybe that's what you're thinking of?
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Dec 22, 2016 23:32
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Rhyno posted:The three sequels starred Vincent Perez, Eric Mabius and Edward Furlong (lol) respectively, none of whom were martial artists. There was a single season tv series that starred Marc Dacascos who was an accomplished martial artist, maybe that's what you're thinking of? Yeah, must have been. I remember reading the series bible for the TV series (written by Bryce Zabel, who's done loads of stuff - he was the creator of Dark Skies, the showrunner for Sam Raimi's M.A.N.T.I.S. show* and a writer and producer on Lois & Clark) and it talked about how it was important that they have a credible martial artist as the lead and a really good rock soundtrack. I've not seen the series so I don't know how successful they were on either front. Not sure where I got Scott Adkins from; I'm not sure what he's been in that made me think "Crow sequel". So, the sequels aren't very good, then?  * Can you imagine an alternate universe where Raimi's greatest success as a film director was this big screen Darkman v M.A.N.T.I.S. production?
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The sequels are so bad. The show wasn't much better. We almost got a Crow film starring DMX but production crashed and burned. I'd read that most of the film was actually shot but there's no stills or set photos anywhere so I don't know if I believe that anymore.
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Dec 22, 2016 23:47
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The Crow TV show was absolutely dreadful. It's first arc was like the community theater version of the plot to the first movie, and they introduced an opposing bad guy set of undeads who are bad because they kill and take revenge, and Draven...doesn't? Huh.
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Lurdiak posted:Batman Begins owned. I prefer it to Rises, but something stops it from being great. Maybe the climax with Ra's? I'd have to rewatch if.
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