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In a game like Witcher it's pretty inexcusable not to have some degree of racial diversity.
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Kawabata posted:tyrael was called tyrone on the blizzard forums on a daily basis for over 3 months after release: threads had to be closed, users banned, drama was had dont even care if i get probated for calling you a dumb piece of poo poo because you really are a dumb piece of poo poo
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Dec 23, 2016 00:49
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Stux posted:dont even care if i get probated for calling you a dumb piece of poo poo because you really are a dumb piece of poo poo I will be pissed if Stux gets a probation for this extremely correct post.
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Dec 23, 2016 00:54
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Stux posted:dont even care if i get probated for calling you a dumb piece of poo poo because you really are a dumb piece of poo poo I have no idea what you're on about. It was obviously immature and racist but that's the blizzard forums for you. Are you accusing me of being racist because I'm reporting the anecdote? I was making fun of Nintendo for always having white/light haired characters in all their games too. Dexo posted:I dunno Mario is one of those weird game franchises where I don't have a massive problem with the all white cast. It could be be dope as poo poo but I personally don't have some huge need to see a black person in Mario. I think it would feel weird in a game like Mario but Zelda could definitely have black characters.
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Dec 23, 2016 00:55
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Kawabata posted:In a game like Witcher it's pretty inexcusable not to have some degree of racial diversity. Wasn't the Witcher a polish game based on a polish book inspired by Slavic mythology? That then went on to become a worldwide hit? That seems like a pretty big win for diversity by itself.
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Dec 23, 2016 00:57
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Guy Goodbody posted:Wasn't the Witcher a polish game based on a polish book inspired by Slavic mythology? That then went on to become a worldwide hit? That seems like a pretty big win for diversity by itself. Correct, but they expanded the world a lot. It would've been dumb to see asian/black characters in, I don't know, the Skellige Isles (which are basically a remote scotland) but they certainly could've gone for more diversity in the big cities and in several other regions. Kawabata fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Dec 23, 2016 |
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Dec 23, 2016 01:03
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Viewtiful Jew posted:I would rather have them not try, then try and have something horrible...offensive...horribly offensive come out as the result. Yikes. Non Mario related but I was pleasantly surprised to see black characters in prominent (well one is supporting) roles playing FFVII and FFVIII for the first time. Sorta made me realize how rarely they show up in Japanese games in general (I'll fully admit to missing like every home console up until the Xbox 360 but I'm happy to be proven wrong here). SylvainMustach fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Dec 23, 2016 |
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Dec 23, 2016 01:03
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Kawabata posted:Correct, but they expanded the world a lot. It would've been dumb to see asian/black characters in, I don't know, the Skellige Isles (which are basically a remote scotland) by the certainly could've gone for more diversity in the big cities and in several other regions. its a fantasy game, they could put anything anywhere with literally no issue.
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Dec 23, 2016 01:05
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Kawabata posted:Correct, but they expanded the world a lot. It would've been dumb to see asian/black characters in, I don't know, the Skellige Isles (which are basically a remote scotland) but they certainly could've gone for more diversity in the big cities and in several other regions. I'm just saying, a under-represented, historically discriminated against people make a thing and it becomes a huge hit, that's a win for diversity. Don't complain about it. I think you have to have a very American-centric world view to look at the Witcher and complain about a lack of diversity
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Dec 23, 2016 01:14
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Guy Goodbody posted:I'm just saying, a under-represented, historically discriminated against people make a thing and it becomes a huge hit, that's a win for diversity. Don't complain about it. I think you have to have a very American-centric world view to look at the Witcher and complain about a lack of diversity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L1zew7i-tc
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Dec 23, 2016 01:17
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codenameFANGIO posted:I will be pissed if Stux gets a probation for this extremely correct post. There is no chance of this happening.
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Dec 23, 2016 01:18
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Stux posted:its a fantasy game, they could put anything anywhere with literally no issue. ...Yeah you're right there as well. Like, there probably wasn't any reason gay couples in the last Fire Emblem couldn't have had babies somehow since there was a mechanic in place where two Avatars that constantly interact with each other would produce a homunculus, literally a magic gay baby out of nowhere.
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Dec 23, 2016 01:27
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Stux posted:its a fantasy game, they could put anything anywhere with literally no issue. Could they? Because fantasy is fictional but not random, and it has to be at least plausible. The witcher being the typical kind of medieval fantasy, it would be really out of place to see black people in a region that looks like scandinavia, for example. Travel is also slow and difficult so there's less chance of diversity unless we're talking about big cities or the middle portion of a continent. To be honest it's more jarring to see movie leads in big Hollywood productions being consistently white. There is absolutely no reason for that. EDIT: I'm not american, so please read my previous post as a very sarcastic european post about nintendo being closet racist. I understand this is a much more sensitive issue in the US, especially lately, so sorry if that was offensive to anyone. Kawabata fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Dec 23, 2016 |
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Dec 23, 2016 01:31
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Kawabata posted:Could they? "My grandparents told me tales of our kingdom and its sunny shores. We also learned of the kindness your king showed us when we fled after the cataclysm." There I solved your fantasy problem, you can make a black character now.
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Dec 23, 2016 01:37
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Kawabata posted:Could they? Read thread https://twitter.com/dialacina/status/809087823957688320
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Dec 23, 2016 01:51
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no one ever blinks about every elder scrolls having every elder scrolls race represented in spades no matter where they're set
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Dec 23, 2016 01:53
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Nerds will alternately say "it's supposed to be realistic" or "it's supposed to be an apolitical fantasy" depending on which group of people they want to keep out of which video game.
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Dec 23, 2016 01:54
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Brother Entropy posted:'don't even try because you might get it wrong' is garbage talk for garbage people Ask yourself this; Have people stopped talking about the dumpster fire that is Other M yet?
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Dec 23, 2016 01:56
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Supercar Gautier posted:Nerds will alternately say "it's supposed to be realistic" or "it's supposed to be an apolitical fantasy" depending on which group of people they want to keep out of which video game. As a nerd, I say it's OK for Polish people to make a game that's full of Polish people.
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Dec 23, 2016 01:56
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Ask yourself this; Have people stopped talking about the dumpster fire that is Other M yet? But the black guy in that is the only good character
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Dec 23, 2016 01:57
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Ask yourself this; Have people stopped talking about the dumpster fire that is Other M yet? what does that have to do with anything
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Dec 23, 2016 01:58
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Brother Entropy posted:no one ever blinks about every elder scrolls having every elder scrolls race represented in spades no matter where they're set It is fun being an Argonian and fulfilling prophecies that seem like they're probably intended for whichever race dominates that title's landscape but the game won't stop you from being a Lizard Dragonborn.
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Dec 23, 2016 01:59
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People still talk about other m because it's the last main metroid game.
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Dec 23, 2016 01:59
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Brother Entropy posted:what does that have to do with anything Samus Aran's atrocious characterization in it? The point is if they try it and gently caress up, that poo poo will not go away for a long long time. That's why they can be hesitant to try new things.
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Dec 23, 2016 02:00
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Guy Goodbody posted:As a nerd, I say it's OK for Polish people to make a game that's full of Polish people. It's okay for them to do it poo poo nothing I or others can do about it...But I and others are going to criticize them in the hopes of further inclusion though. Because I like the Witcher and think it would be better with people that look like me.
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Dec 23, 2016 02:01
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Everyone talking about Other M needs to shut up and play AM2R.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Samus Aran's atrocious characterization in it? The point is if they try it and gently caress up, that poo poo will not go away for a long long time. That's why they can be hesitant to try new things. so in your eyes a popular female character suddenly written as emotionally weak and submissive and fans rejecting that is an argument against trying to be more diverse?
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Brother Entropy posted:no one ever blinks about every elder scrolls having every elder scrolls race represented in spades no matter where they're set The elder scroll's world is much less coherent or realistic than the witcher one though. And yes, you are right about potatoes but they are harder to notice. I don't think it's always about "nerds" that want to keep different groups out of a videogames, but more about being hard to find a balance there. If you try to be too "medieval realistic" you can make the same mistake Martin did where all the asians/black/south-american people are either in a single southern kingdom (Dorne) or in the far east. You also run the risk of reproducing the same inequalities (ie blacks being slaves). If you take the Bethesda approach the world doesn't look as coherent and yes, it is weird that a khajiit can be the Dragonborn, considering we're in the skyrim region. Kawabata fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Dec 23, 2016 |
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Brother Entropy posted:so in your eyes a popular female character suddenly written as emotionally weak and submissive and fans rejecting that is an argument against trying to be more diverse? Not at all, I'm saying they're cautious about it because mistakes will hang over them just as long as the successes, and they're a conservative Japanese company. They probably see it as not a good move from a PR perspective from a family-friendly company with world-wide recognition, even if it is totally the right one to try.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Not at all, I'm saying they're cautious about it because mistakes will hang over them just as long as the successes, and they're a conservative Japanese company. They probably see it as not a good move from a PR perspective from a family-friendly company with world-wide recognition, even if it is totally the right one to try. 'family-friendly with world recognition' is actually an argument for being more diverse though?
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Dec 23, 2016 02:08
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Got a Wii U for christmas, trying to link up my Nintendo ID but it keeps saying my info is wrong. I just used it log into their website so I'm not sure what the issues is, works fine on my 3DS though.
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Dec 23, 2016 02:09
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Alteisen posted:Got a Wii U for christmas, trying to link up my Nintendo ID but it keeps saying my info is wrong. Are you sure you're not mistaking the Nintendo Account with the Nintendo Network ID? They're two different things.
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Dec 23, 2016 02:14
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Kawabata posted:The elder scroll's world is much less coherent or realistic than the witcher one though. And yes, you are right about potatoes but they are harder to notice. Why is that weird? Like ancient lore or and mythology have tons of "outsiders" or "low-born" people becoming gods and heroes.
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Dec 23, 2016 02:18
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Not at all, I'm saying they're cautious about it because mistakes will hang over them just as long as the successes, and they're a conservative Japanese company. They probably see it as not a good move from a PR perspective from a family-friendly company with world-wide recognition, even if it is totally the right one to try. Actually, they are taking some risks: Splatoons mascot characters, and the original player, were all female, because they thought a game with important female characters would do better in the west. Plus it looks like Zelda might have a bigger role in BOTW. Maybe we'll see some more diversity in their games on the way, which would be nice.
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Dec 23, 2016 02:24
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Can someone Photoshop two joycons onto Geralt's back like swords, TIA
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Dec 23, 2016 02:24
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Viewtiful Jew posted:...Yeah you're right there as well. It literally took extra work to prevent gay babies, if you hack in gay couples into Awakening they have babies just fine lol.
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Dec 23, 2016 02:25
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youcallthatatwist posted:Actually, they are taking some risks: Splatoons mascot characters, and the original player, were all female, because they thought a game with important female characters would do better in the west. Plus it looks like Zelda might have a bigger role in BOTW. Maybe we'll see some more diversity in their games on the way, which would be nice. Oh, I fully agree they're getting much much better at it. Hell, look at Pokemon Sun/Moon. My point is that the real problem is with a Mario character, because that's a character base that lasts forever. If they gently caress it up that will hang over them in perpetuity with some very bad PR world-wide, and that's why they're probably being so reluctant about it. Again, conservative Japanese company.
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Dec 23, 2016 02:33
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Guy Goodbody posted:It's-a me, Black Mario problematic
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Dexo posted:Why is that weird? Skyrim's inhabitants are mostly northeners, viking/norse in aspect and traditions. Any outsider from any race can be the Dragonborne, sure, but imo that's only because the previous games set the precedent for diversity. Of all the Elder Scrolls games Skyrim was the most self-contained and realistic, so it did look more jarring than elsewhere that the hero saving the world was a khajiit or a high elf. Even in the most fictional of settings you need to draw inspiration from the real world to a certain degree. When you go for realism it's hard not to be offensive, because you reproduce the same poo poo you see in everyday society. When you don't, you still need to be careful because it's very easy to fall into dumb stereotypes (ie, asians always being the smart guys or blacks only coming from a far away warrior kingdom). This doesn't mean that the entertainment industry shouldn't be as inclusive as possible, it just means that the inequalities you see irl are so pervasive that they make it harder for the consumer to keep any suspension of disbelief when the narrative is off, and for the author to tell an original story.
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