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anime was right posted:my argument is i dont think oda is going to do something that complex, storytelling wise. I think the thing is that if he doesn't, then the scenes where Pudding is maintaining kayfabe when nobody but the reader could possibly know become a loose thread. Pudding having a literal evil eye would be an acceptable way to tie up those loose ends though. Countblanc posted:Pudding is evil. You can't trust anyone who thinks pudding is evil. I mean, sure, not all flavors and varieties are for everyone, but all pudding is good.
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every villain in one piece monologues except that one time they played it for laughs in impel down. im not saying a double twist is off the table, but uhhhhhh. people saying their dumb evil plans is pretty common.
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Dec 22, 2016 20:33
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pudding is an alias her real name was yogurt all along
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Dec 22, 2016 20:39
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ZiegeDame posted:Just gonna put these two things right next to each other: Yeah, this was one thing I thought when the eye was revealed. As has been suggested before, it might be a Launch situation, where she's only evil when the eye is open.
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Mr. Fowl posted:Yeah, this was one thing I thought when the eye was revealed. As has been suggested before, it might be a Launch situation, where she's only evil when the eye is open. So what happens when the lower eyes are covered and the top one uncovered?
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Xelkelvos posted:So what happens when the lower eyes are covered and the top one uncovered? She kicks puppies and baby seals for fun- no, wait...
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i'm kinda buying people's theorizing that pudding is pulling a double bluff to save sanji+the strawhats but i hope it's not true because so far pudding has been extremely boring and her actually being evil as gently caress has way more potential to be fun
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Xelkelvos posted:So what happens when the lower eyes are covered and the top one uncovered? It's simple. She loses depth perception.
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Dec 22, 2016 22:30
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I can't believe pudding was tien this whole time
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Dec 22, 2016 22:31
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Oh my god Pudding whyyyy.
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Captain Invictus posted:
It would be pretty legit if evil, though... her actions totally make sense. This is exactly what a manipulative person who is confident on their side having the upper hand to screw the other guys over would do, to ensure their victory while toying around with their victims and breaking them down mentally. Nitro showing up again fits, too. Her pulling a triple bluff is not impossible, though. Technically it could go either way at this point I guess, that's why Oda is a masterful, unpredictable storyteller. I just don't see why someone would get hang up on it and call it "the lamest twist". It was set up pretty well. Spidder fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Dec 22, 2016 |
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I think it says a lot about Oda's writing when he's able to have Pudding come right out and say "Haha, I'm actually on Big Mom's side and the Straw Hats all fell for it!" and yet a lot of us are still doubting that this is her true personality. Like, she really could be double-bluffing in order to set everything up so the Straw Hats take out Big Mom and Sanji goes free. Or she could be playing it totally straight right now and she really was faking her niceness. Or her third eye is messing with her somehow. Or something else, who the gently caress knows? Oh, and what's Reiju's goal in all of this? Is she on Sanji's side, or with the rest of her family, or is she stuck in the middle somewhere and can't decide? We're not going to know for sure until this arc plays out a little more.
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honestly I think it says less about the writing and more about this thread
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Pudding is nanomachines. Been going back and rewatching some of the best bits from the anime, then watched a newly airing episode. They have really lost their touch. I don't even just mean the terrible pacing and endless padding either, watching the original Arlong Park fights and the redone versions the newer ones just feel kinda off and weird for some reason. Sanji's fight in particular is way worse in the remake.
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Pudding being really evil would be pretty dumb considering she had an introspective flashback in the rain like two chapters ago about how Lola refused to just follow her mom's order and marry somebody and Big Mom telling Pudding that if she just does what she is told to do she won't have any problems.
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either possibility is totally 100% plausible.
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If there's something we know for sure it's that Pudding is a really good actor
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NecroMonster posted:either possibility is totally 100% plausible. Schrodinger's plot point.
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Ethiser posted:Pudding being really evil would be pretty dumb considering she had an introspective flashback in the rain like two chapters ago about how Lola refused to just follow her mom's order and marry somebody and Big Mom telling Pudding that if she just does what she is told to do she won't have any problems. Yeah but this could easily be a case of reader deception. She could remember that day fondly or not but she still chooses to be with Big Mom when clearly leaving is an option. That's what never felt right about this (Good Pudding) to me. If Pudding really is this tragic figure, she's also a coward for never leaving. The one thing I will let you guys off the hook with is Nitro. There's got to be some reason we still don't know what it is or why it's there. It could just be a silent familiar for Pudding or it could be related to her personality shift. Big Mom herself goes through extreme mood swings. Either is an option, but at least Pudding isn't the most boring part of this arc anymore.
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Really stupid off-the-wall theory I hope doesn't come true: What if Nitro is a sentient muck-being formed from pieces of Big Mom's and Bege's souls that forces Pudding's evil eye to stay open to keep tabs on her? ...I sound schizophrenic.  Nanomachines.
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I kinda don't think that if Pudding was faking (again) we would have had the shot of Reiju bleeding out last chapter and blood on her lap already in this one. That's just me though?
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get over it dudes, pudding was secretly evil. her charm is truly terrifying, though... she even charms men that live in the third dimension
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Last Celebration posted:I kinda don't think that if Pudding was faking (again) we would have had the shot of Reiju bleeding out last chapter and blood on her lap already in this one. That's just me though? Beating up Vinsmokes is totally something a good person pretending to be evil, an evil person pretending to be good, an evil person pretending to be a good person pretending to be evil, or a good person pretending to be an evil person pretending to be playing both good and evil sides would do. It's just good, clean fun for every alignment.
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Last Celebration posted:I kinda don't think that if Pudding was faking (again) we would have had the shot of Reiju bleeding out last chapter and blood on her lap already in this one. That's just me though? She knows Sanji has an awful relationship with his family. She doesn't know that Reiju is secretly the nice one. In fact, she doesn't know a lot of things - a whole bunch of what she says this chapter about Big Mom and her plans doesn't really gel with what we know about her, which can easily be explained as a plausible lie cooked up by a relative outsider pretending to know more than she does. I'm prepared to bet that she's a relatively junior agent (though still tough enough to wreck Reiju the super-soldier's poo poo) who had Sanji and Lola trigger her slightly warped conscience and decided to burn it all down, herself included, to save her sweet, naive idiot of a fiancée. The only remaining question is whether Sanji's female lie-detector is still working as well as it used to.
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It's kind of awesome how even with this reveal, you still can't be sure what's going on. Pudding could be evil, or faking being evil to play both sides from the middle, or maybe she's really good but the third eye makes her evil. I think the latter is the most likely. When she met the Strawhats, she arranged to meet them on the shore of Whole Cake Island, but she didn't show up. Instead, Brulee was there with a fake Sanji. This means either Pudding told Big Mom herself, or the eye did, or Nitro did. Her story never really added up. She also talked about meeting Sanji before he ever got to Whole Cake Island, didn't she? I didn't really like Pedro before this chapter but he just won me over. He owns.
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Captain Invictus posted:Pudding isn't actually evil. She's playing up an act and explaining the entire plan to expose Big Mom's assassination attempt before it happens, then lets Reiju escape on purpose so they can gently caress it all up before Big Mom can kill them. It's why she's crying after telling Luffy what she planned. Also keep in mind she's got that creepy goo monster keeping an eye on her so she can't just say it to Reiju, she has to play the bit. Darth Walrus posted:She knows Sanji has an awful relationship with his family. She doesn't know that Reiju is secretly the nice one. In fact, she doesn't know a lot of things - a whole bunch of what she says this chapter about Big Mom and her plans doesn't really gel with what we know about her, which can easily be explained as a plausible lie cooked up by a relative outsider pretending to know more than she does. I'm prepared to bet that she's a relatively junior agent (though still tough enough to wreck Reiju the super-soldier's poo poo) who had Sanji and Lola trigger her slightly warped conscience and decided to burn it all down, herself included, to save her sweet, naive idiot of a fiancée. The only remaining question is whether Sanji's female lie-detector is still working as well as it used to. These explanations/theories are pretty much where I am right now. What's really keeping me on Not Evil is a) Nitro's presence and b) I like Pudding. Regarding Sanji's female lie-detector: I don't think it matters. If he thinks she's lying, he'd forgive her and try to stop her self-destructive plan. If he thinks she's telling the truth, he'd still forgive her and try to convince her to go through with the marriage and spare his sister. Sanji is the biggest loving mark when it comes to women, but in the best possible way. Wii Spawn Camper posted:I didn't really like Pedro before this chapter but he just won me over. He owns. Same. I thought for sure he was the mole, now I just want to see him scramble Tomago.
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I'm not throwing my bet onto either side just yet, but if it turns out Pudding is actually evil, I'm really hoping we get to see Nami/Reiju slap the poo poo out of her for breaking Sanji's heart
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if she is evil, and i'm not happy to admit this, but if she is evil, i hope Sanji hits a lady for once
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lol at the people in this thread doing mental gymnastics
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Lpzie posted:lol at the people in this thread doing mental gymnastics It's pretty funny. What's the point in Oda wasting so many panels characterizing Pudding as sensitive and empathetic through flashbacks and other panels to waste this by dumping her as "just evil"? Hell she was even crying as she was leaving Luffy and Nami. I could see a split personality or some weird nuance with the third eye, but otherwise it doesn't mesh. Ubiquitus fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Dec 23, 2016 |
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Double posting like a scrub.
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Interrupting Pudding chat to point out that Pedro can spin his tail to hover 
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mabels big day posted:I might go back to the anime and check out a few of the memorable scenes and see how they were adapted. Pudding is going to sacrifice her evil eye to big mom's roulette wheel and this will result in her getting an eyepatch. She will then join the crew
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U-DO Burger posted:If there's something we know for sure it's that Pudding is a really good actor
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Kaido's initial appearance was superbly adapted if I recall.
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If this is a double-bluff and she isn't really evil, I have a feeling Pudding and Usopp would work well together. They're both specialise in deception and misdirection. As for my own wild speculation, Pudding was complaining she was getting sick of Big Mom because of how she was being pampered, which got me thinking about her personal motivations. It's possible this is the real Pudding, and she's playing everyone against each other to weaken Big Mom so she can kill her and take over her "kingdom", freeing her and her siblings. Perhaps not outright evil, but incredibly ruthless and manipulative, putting her own agenda above Big Mom and the Strawhats' lives.
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I'll note that this could just as easily be a situation played straight, I'm not going to belabor the point and I'm certainly not going to try to dunk on people who read the situation another way.
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Ubiquitus posted:It's pretty funny. Like, even if she's legitimately a brutal psychopath, Sanji's going to try to redeem her somehow, and her nice "act" is going to be part of her learning to not be a huge evil rear end in a top hat. In any case, I don't think anyone's being silly or ridiculous believing things either way. Maybe she was pretending to be good, maybe she's pretending to be bad. Either way she's drat good at pretending. Seems likely she's got a split personality thing going on, either for real (whatever that would imply), or just as something that helps with her act. For all we know her good persona was really an act entirely- from a story perspective it was all to give Sanji a ray of sunshine in the darkness, something captivating and beautiful he can hold on to while the rest of his life is pure misery. It was crushing, having that torn away. That's what all her characterization was for (possibly). Her flashback to Lola was just her remembering Lola. We don't know what she thought about her.
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Hate-Senpai posted:Kaido's initial appearance was superbly adapted if I recall. kaidous initial appearance loving owned imo
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