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Like a lot of origin movies, the final action climax is whatever, but I just love how strong an arc Bruce is given. You really get to know him as a character, something no Batman movie had accomplished before. The movie could end after the car chase scene and I'd be fine with it.
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SonicRulez posted:I prefer it to Rises, but something stops it from being great. Maybe the climax with Ra's? I'd have to rewatch if. -The huge gaping plothole with how they plan to spread the fear toxin. -The focus on Batman's "no killing" philosophy, while he kills people/lets them die. -Katie Holmes. -Batman voice, albeit the least dumb Batman voice out of the Nolan movies. Everything else is great about the movie.
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Lurdiak posted:My mom's hot. Microwave?
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Phylodox posted:Ahem...Brother Numpsay! Dear, sweet brother Numpsay! He was Chandler's brother. He's my 8th cousin twice removed.
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I prefer getting a swift kick in the ribs to Rises so Begins is alright
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A couple more movies that fit into the "post-Blade" style that I think are often forgotten today: the Angelina Jolie Tomb Raider movies.
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Rhyno posted:Oh absolutely. Pity about the sequels. And the comic.
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Dec 23, 2016 10:38
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:And the comic. The original comic is an interesting look at someone's personal fallout from grief. The million 'sequels' and adaptations it had largely miss the point, but the general principle is fine.
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Dec 23, 2016 10:55
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Jamesman posted:-The huge gaping plothole with how they plan to spread the fear toxin. Agreed on all parts
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Jamesman posted:-The huge gaping plothole with how they plan to spread the fear toxin. I would add the terrible exposition doofuses at the water plant who we keep cutting to during the monorail fight.
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Dec 23, 2016 19:02
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Jamesman posted:-The huge gaping plothole with how they plan to spread the fear toxin. The plan was to dump it all in the city sewers, then use the stolen Wayne microwave tech to vaporize it and have everyone go nuts. Am I forgetting something? I haven't seen it in years, tbf.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The plan was to dump it all in the city sewers, then use the stolen Wayne microwave tech to vaporize it and have everyone go nuts. Am I forgetting something? I haven't seen it in years, tbf. You're not. They were dumping it in the sewers at the asylum, and then were taking that microwave thing to Wayne tower, which was at the very center of the sewer network and was going to vaporize all the water in the city.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The plan was to dump it all in the city sewers, then use the stolen Wayne microwave tech to vaporize it and have everyone go nuts. Am I forgetting something? I haven't seen it in years, tbf. They'd been dumping it in the city's water for some time, and all that was needed to trigger the toxin was for it to be in vapor form and breathed in. Somehow nobody ever used the water in such a way themselves. Not one person in Gotham ever used a humidifier or made themselves a cup of tea or even took a shower.
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Or normal plumbing heat isn't enough to turn the chemical to gas. There's no bio attack whenever you take a shower in your fluorinated water, is there?
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A supervillain plan that doesn't conform 100% to the laws of physics in every conceivable scenario??? There's no way i can take this seriously
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Aphrodite posted:Or normal plumbing heat isn't enough to turn the chemical to gas. site posted:A supervillain plan that doesn't conform 100% to the laws of physics in every conceivable scenario??? There's no way i can take this seriously If it didn't bother you, that's great. Please continue to not let it bother you and/or explain why it's feasible. But this movie went through a lot of effort to explain things and break them down in a way that made them seem grounded in reality, so having a major situation glossed over really jumped out at myself and many others. You were almost dared to question it.
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It's a comic book movie. Things don't have to be 100% logical, even if it's something more realistic like Batman.
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Jamesman posted:If it didn't bother you, that's great. Please continue to not let it bother you and/or explain why it's feasible. But this movie went through a lot of effort to explain things and break them down in a way that made them seem grounded in reality, so having a major situation glossed over really jumped out at myself and many others. You were almost dared to question it. No I think the people wondering why hot water doesn't activate what they need a microwave generator to do are the odd ones out.
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pubic works project posted:It's a comic book movie. Things don't have to be 100% logical, even if it's something more realistic like Batman. You're confusing logic with idiocy. If someone writes something that doesn't make sense, it doesn't get a pass because it's a superhero movie. But really, chill out guys. I LIKED Batman Begins. We were talking about things that hold it back from being super-super-great. You don't need to defend its honor to me. Besides, I mentioned three other things there; Anyone wanna speak up for Katie Holmes or something?
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Isn't the bigger plothole that that amount of microwaves would just melt everyone.
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Yeah, people are 75 percent water, so if it's pumping out enough microwaves to flash-boil all the water around it in pipes, people are gonna have a real bad time.
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Jamesman posted:If it didn't bother you, that's great. Please continue to not let it bother you and/or explain why it's feasible. But this movie went through a lot of effort to explain things and break them down in a way that made them seem grounded in reality, so having a major situation glossed over really jumped out at myself and many others. You were almost dared to question it. A wizard did it
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A better question is if you wanna devastate a city and you have a giant microwave death ray...why not just cut out the middle man? Or middle scarecrow, in this case, I guess.
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Lurdiak posted:Isn't the bigger plothole that that amount of microwaves would just melt everyone. Nah, that's just a supervillain origin story. Unfortunately Batman vs the Cancerous Goo People never got greenlit.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Yeah, people are 75 percent water, so if it's pumping out enough microwaves to flash-boil all the water around it in pipes, people are gonna have a real bad time. You can aim it. It would only incinerate anyone under the tracks, and those are mostly the homeless so nobody will miss them.
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Jamesman posted:But really, chill out guys. Yes we are mad About this
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Aphrodite posted:You can aim it. Man, no need to dump it into the water supply, then, just put it in water bottles, give those to the homeless, and voila! It'll be a panic attack twofer of exploding homeless people releasing fear toxin!
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site posted:Yes we are mad Didn't say mad. This just isn't worth harping over is all I meant. Batman Begins is a great movie with a few flaws that drag it down.
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My dad thought he'd rented the wrong movie when Batman Begins started with this weird tibetan prison scene. So Batman Begins owns forever.
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Jamesman posted:You're confusing logic with idiocy. If someone writes something that doesn't make sense, it doesn't get a pass because it's a superhero movie. Lol I really don't care one way or the other. Aside from Katie Holmes, I loved the movie. But I'm one of those guys that overlooks the small errors/plotholes when overall I enjoy the movie. *shrugs*
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It's weird and out of place they had the one shot that really emphasized Rachel's nipples poking through her shirt. It's like they said "Spider-Man did this our movie also has to do this"
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Katie Holmes' nipples were in a lot more than that one scene. I think they were billed higher than Morgan Freeman.
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The actress who played Rachel in Dark Knight was better than Katie Holmes but they filmed her in a really unflattering way to try to hide her pregnancy.
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Really? I never knew that. I think Holmes is prettier than Gyllenhal though. Wheat Loaf posted:A couple more movies that fit into the "post-Blade" style that I think are often forgotten today: the Angelina Jolie Tomb Raider movies. I think these movies were my first experience with Angelina Jolie. I remember Tomb Raider only vaguely as a game my uncle had that was way too hard.
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SonicRulez posted:Really? I never knew that. I think Holmes is prettier than Gyllenhal though. I think so too but Gyllenhal looks really rough in TDK, both from the pregnancy itself and them trying to hide it. She usually looks better. Not that it's a huge deal to have a love interest that isn't drop dead gorgeous, but it was a little distracting the first time I saw it.
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Maggie Gyllenhal always looks like she's melting. Should've been Clayface.
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Lurdiak posted:I think so too but Gyllenhal looks really rough in TDK, both from the pregnancy itself and them trying to hide it. She usually looks better. Not that it's a huge deal to have a love interest that isn't drop dead gorgeous, but it was a little distracting the first time I saw it. I really like that in The Matrix, Trinity doesn't look conventionally attractive, at least not in the face. She's really cute and cool but I dunno, I just feel like she looks like an ordinary person and it's neat.
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pee out my butt posted:Maggie Gyllenhal always looks like she's melting. Should've been Clayface. She would make a fantastic Droopy Dog.
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She's a babe. The best Batman movies find ways to accentuate the nipple in myriad ways.
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WickedHate posted:I really like that in The Matrix, Trinity doesn't look conventionally attractive, at least not in the face. She's really cute and cool but I dunno, I just feel like she looks like an ordinary person and it's neat. I love Carrie Anne Moss. She just did a turn in Humans and she still looks great.
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