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Halloween Jack posted:What wrestler most perfectly fits the "look" that Vince supposedly wants? The natural answer would be Warrior (or Gary Strydom) but I think McMahon would prefer a Jim Hellwig that he could bill at 6'6" give or take a couple inches. Lex Luger, I guess? Ted Dibiase Jr
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Halloween Jack posted:What wrestler most perfectly fits the "look" that Vince supposedly wants? The natural answer would be Warrior (or Gary Strydom) but I think McMahon would prefer a Jim Hellwig that he could bill at 6'6" give or take a couple inches. Lex Luger, I guess? Tom Magee
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St Evan Echoes posted:hates him so much he hired him for lots of money and made him the star of The Good Show tbf if it weren't for Jericho he probably wouldn't have had the opportunity to become that star, seeing as Ryback was originally going to squash him at Wrestlemania ...that and the fact he had two incredibly good matches with Roman Reigns, especially at Extreme Rules, and Vince was VERY impressed with AJ.
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Halloween Jack posted:What wrestler most perfectly fits the "look" that Vince supposedly wants? The natural answer would be Warrior (or Gary Strydom) but I think McMahon would prefer a Jim Hellwig that he could bill at 6'6" give or take a couple inches. Lex Luger, I guess? Pre-Wellness era Batista, more or less. 2000 Triple H (Triple H still looks amazing, probably because he is not subject to wellness).
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The Face Of The WWE Randal K. Orton circa 2002-2014
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Halloween Jack posted:What wrestler most perfectly fits the "look" that Vince supposedly wants? The natural answer would be Warrior (or Gary Strydom) but I think McMahon would prefer a Jim Hellwig that he could bill at 6'6" give or take a couple inches. Lex Luger, I guess? Bobby Lashley was the most stereotypical Vince McMahon-approved body type that we've ever seen.
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vince calls apollo crews every day and screams at him for not being taller and white
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Justin Godscock posted:Bobby Lashley was the most stereotypical Vince McMahon-approved body type that we've ever seen. He looked a bit too "Athletic" for Vince's taste.
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is there really evidence that Vince won't push people for being black, he was going to give Big E the Roman Push before HHH intervened
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So is there a parallel universe where Big E is awful and Roman Reigns is the leader of New Day? And instead of unicorns they talk about magic beans?
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Defiance Industries posted:So is there a parallel universe where Big E is awful and Roman Reigns is the leader of New Day? And instead of unicorns they talk about magic beans? No. This is the only existence you will get.
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Alain Post posted:is there really evidence that Vince won't push people for being black, he was going to give Big E the Roman Push before HHH intervened He was trying like hell to make Lashley the next Cena.
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Venomous posted:tbf if it weren't for Jericho he probably wouldn't have had the opportunity to become that star, seeing as Ryback was originally going to squash him at Wrestlemania You shouldn't trust Ryback wrt saying that he would've had a squash with AJ at Mania, since I'm pretty sure that Vince would promise some poo poo that will never happen to everybody who would complain about stuff he proposed to them. AJ most likely worked with Jericho for his first program because Jericho is an excellent worker who's been with the WWE for over 15 years so he's like the only guy with worldwide experience who can guide AJ on how the WWE style works. iirc there was some AJ interview somewhere where he said that the Royal Rumble appearance didn't convince Vince that he was over (since the Rumble was in Orlando where a lot of the crowd would have recognized him from TNA (Impact Zone and all) but subsequent house shows where he got the same reaction night in, night out led Vince to consider him one of the top guys in the company.
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MassRafTer posted:He was trying like hell to make Lashley the next Cena. Ahmed Johnson got a monster push too. honestly the narrative seemed more like "Vince desperately wants a black top babyface" for a long time
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Alain Post posted:Ahmed Johnson got a monster push too. honestly the narrative seemed more like "Vince desperately wants a black top babyface" for a long time Vince likely wants a black top babyface, a Mexican top babyface, and a Chinese top babyface. But I highly doubt any of them would have been given the role of being the Sammartino, the Cena, or the Hogan. They would have been the Savage, the Orton, the secondary top guy who isn't quite as big as the white top guy. Vince IS a 70 year old man, after all.
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rotinaj posted:Vince likely wants a black top babyface, a Mexican top babyface, and a Chinese top babyface. But I highly doubt any of them would have been given the role of being the Sammartino, the Cena, or the Hogan. They would have been the Savage, the Orton, the secondary top guy who isn't quite as big as the white top guy. Vince IS a 70 year old man, after all. Lashley was being pushed to be 1 or 1a. There's a reason he was chosen for the Battle of the Billionaires, it was to set him up as the next big main event babyface. Cena wasn't even going to get the Cena role at first, it was originally going to be Batista. That they were giving Lashley that kind of push is extremely telling.
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Do you think Lashley would have continued to be pushed had he not called people bath-turds?
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Jason Sextro posted:Do you think Lashley would have continued to be pushed had he not called people bath-turds? Had more to do with him being a charisma vaccum who couldn't stay off the juice. Pretty sure he got wellnessed at least once for elevated liver enzymes, which is code for "Taking too many steroids even for WWE". Plus, there was a thing about his wife being treated in a way he didn't like? I don't remember what that was. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Dec 23, 2016 |
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Alain Post posted:is there really evidence that Vince won't push people for being black, he was going to give Big E the Roman Push before HHH intervened Not really. As mentioned, he loved Ahmed Johnson and Bobby Lashley. There's the whole "black people can win every title/award in sports and entertainment except the WWE Championship unless they're the Rock" but that's debatably not all on Vince I guess.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Had more to do with him being a charisma vaccum who couldn't stay off the juice. Pretty sure he got wellnessed at least once for elevated liver enzymes, which is code for "Taking too many steroids even for WWE". Plus, there was a thing about his wife being treated in a way he didn't like? I don't remember what that was. There isn't a steroid threshold for the WWE. Tests are done independently. Steroid testing was a concession WWE made for tax purposes, to maintain their equilibrium, optimizing their tax benefits between sports and television while not allowing their talent health insurance or SAG cards or unions of any kind.
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Yeah, why did Lashley's push stop anyways?
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So what's the story with the Hulk Hogan raft that people mention every now and then?
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TTBF posted:So what's the story with the Hulk Hogan raft that people mention every now and then? WCW was at one point doing such low buyrates that they offered people a free raft for buying a PPV.
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:Yeah, why did Lashley's push stop anyways? He had the audacity to take time off for an injury while he was being pushed/got demotivated due to the racism of people like Michael Hayes.
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I know this sounds like a snarky question, but I've been wondering genuinely. Why did WWE rehire Jinder Mahal? Is it a diversity thing? He's loving awful and they do nothing with him.
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Thauros posted:They approached a bunch of guys who used to wrestle for them when they needed depth after the brand split. Most of the higher profile people (Tommy Dreamer was one iirc) declined due to the poor pay/pushes they were offering. And not being able to pass the medical or having a link to domestic violence.
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rovert posted:And not being able to pass the medical or having a link to domestic violence. Without giving the reasons they didn't sign, who got offers altogether?
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People keep pushing the whole "Vince McMahon hates black people" but ignore the fact that The Rock is half-black (though Vince probably never clued into that plus Rocky identifies more with his Samoan half). Bobby Lashley was, indeed, pushed over big and everyone at the time figured he was the next Brock Lesnar. The problem was Lashley couldn't talk and had little physical charisma to make up for it like Brock had. As for why he fizzled out and went away it was mostly due to injuries in addition to Vince losing interest for Vince Reasons.
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Baron Corbyn posted:Without giving the reasons they didn't sign, who got offers altogether? You have to remember what we did get - Rhyno (who admittedly had been at NXT for awhile), The Spirit Squad, the fuckin Headbangers - and think of all the talent they probably would have preferred over them. Those are the people who passed.
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Alain Post posted:Vince may actually hate black people but the idea that he'd never push one is crap someone post the Sin Cara Negro quote
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Basic Chunnel posted:MVP apparently got one, I think Stevie Richards was in the mix at some point as well. Rhyno has been awesome in recent months, he is nowhere near the waste of roster space as the Headbangers are.
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I can't decide between Jinder Mahal or Curt Hawkins for most pointless re-hiring of the "new era"
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Once Benjamin's shoulder heals up, he's still coming to SDL, right? What's his timetable for recovery?
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Benne posted:I can't decide between Jinder Mahal or Curt Hawkins for most pointless re-hiring of the "new era" The Headbangers
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