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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
lol they changed their loving engine

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alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012


changing engines wont delay anything whatsoever lol

but keep all our programmers THE gently caress away from bicycle accidents because that poo poo will cause nothing but problems

Mr Fronts
Jan 31, 2016

Yo! The Mafia supports you. But don't tell no one. Spread the word.
Can someone PLEASE make an up-to-date dev-time bar graph, with Star Citizen showing its correct development time, since the Lumberyard engine refactor. Those old graphs are misleading, as they show SC dev time in years.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
I legit haven't followed Star Citizen for months because I knew if anything important happened I'd hear about it.

It did, and I did.

:gary:

Lime Tonics
Nov 7, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Mr Fronts posted:

Can someone PLEASE make an up-to-date dev-time bar graph, with Star Citizen showing its correct development time, since the Lumberyard engine refactor. Those old graphs are misleading, as they show SC dev time in years.

Yeah, someone needs to update the Diaobolo graph img-timeline.

Lime Tonics
Nov 7, 2015

by FactsAreUseless
Best way to keep backers, lie to them for an entire year, and hold a ship sale.

Seems reasonable.

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012


hahaha Star Citizen shows up in the latest Game Informer (promo magazine for Gamestop/ EB). usual lines about wow imagine all these elements together and wow maybe boarding one day

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard




Salt n Reba McEntire
Nov 14, 2000

Kuparp.
T'was the day before Christmas, when all through the 'verse,
Not a paid shill was typing; not even to curse.
The fluff posts were ready to publish and share,
In hopes that St Chris would release something rare!

The poo poo'zens were nestled safe in their subreds,
While visions of Idrises danced in their heads,
And Derek in Twitter and I in Discord,
Had finished recapping another years' fraud.

When out from the thread there arose such a chatter;
Tabbed over from Redtube to ask what's the matter.
Away to the Reddit I flew like a flash,
To find all the suckers there pledging more cash!

Illusions of progress had started to slow,
And it looked like next year they had nowhere to go...
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But the engine replaced, pushing dev time back years!

Propagandist posted:

'Twas the night before Paarpmas, and all through the 'Verse...

:hfive:

Salt n Reba McEntire fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Dec 24, 2016

Evil_Greven
Feb 20, 2007

Whadda I got to,
whadda I got to do
to wake ya up?

To shake ya up,
to break the structure up!?
Amazing.

At this rate, humanity will go extinct before Chris Roberts releases Star Citizen.

Propagandist
Oct 23, 2007

Salt n Reba McEntire posted:

T'was the day before Christmas, when all through the 'verse,
Not a paid shill was typing; not even to curse.
The fluff posts were ready to publish and share,
In hopes that St Chris would release something rare!

The poo poo'zens were nestled safe in their subreds,
While visions of Idrises danced in their heads,
And Derek in Twitter and I in Discord,
Had finished recapping another years' fraud.

When out from the thread there arose such a chatter;
Tabbed over from Redtube to ask what's the matter.
Away to the Reddit I flew like a flash,
To find all the suckers there pledging more cash!

Illusions of progress had started to slow,
And it looked like next year they had nowhere to go...
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a new engine logo, pushing dev time back years!

"subreds" god damnit I was looking for THAT VERY WORD

:hfive:

Propagandist fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Dec 24, 2016

Propagandist
Oct 23, 2007

'Twas the night before Paarpmas, and all through the 'Verse,
Not a backer was pledging, for it just got worse

Delusions were posted on Reddit with care,
In hopes that St. Christopher soon would be there;

Citizens were nestled all snug in their beds,
While autism chariots danced in their heads

Titanic with her iceberg, and I with by bunnes,
Had just finished a season of Friends reruns

When out of the blue there came a new Tweet,
I sprang from the chair to the Warlord's drumbeat

Away to the forums I flew like a flash,
I refreshed the thread and stroked my moustache

The goons were elated, while MoMA was stunned,
Chris Roberts had finally run out of funds

When, what to my wondering eyes do I see,
The Warlord himself is now claiming a V

A "washed-up developer", so salty and tart,
I knew in a moment it must be D_Smart.

More wordy than EULAs his topics they came
He tweeted, and posted, and blogged them by name:

"Now! Archer, now! Legal, now! Lesnick and Lando,
"On! Sandi, on! Zendesk, you're snowflakes, commandos!

"To the federal building! To the town city hall!
"Now litigate! Litigate! Litigate all!"

As interns that 'fore the bankruptcy will flee,
When parted with paycheck, sans college degree;

So up to the jailhouse the p'licemen they flew,
With the car full of staff - and St. Christopher too:

And then in a minute, I heard in the thread
The anger of backers was fin'lly widespread

As I refreshed the thread, and was getting right sauced
A new blog from D_Smart, so smug and aroused

He typed in all caps, was having a cow
His sources were leaking: "Apocolypse, Now!"

A bundle of links were slapp'd right at the end,
His first July blog post, "Read it!" he contends

His eyes - how they twinkled! His hairline, how thinning,
Old Greybeard had won; on his chair he sat spinning

His poo poo-eating grin displayed a bright glow,
And his message was thus: "loving told you so!"

"They switched the game's engine", he wrote with a curse.
"There is always more, and it is always worse!"

The crossed arms of colbert he showed with an air
He cackled with glee, and leaned back in his chair

His post had that rhythm, that rhyme, and that station
"Forty-two is eighty-sixed, sweet vindication!"

But I saw him exclaim, when this fire he set alight
"Happy Paarpmas to all, and to all a good night!"

nawledgelambo
Nov 8, 2016

Immersion chariot
https://clips.twitch.tv/theastropub/GleamingSnailNoNoSpot

I had another one, but he turned off the text to speech. It was worth it. this guy is my favorite, especially when he's more drunk, and more sweaty

loving lol at his face as soon as the message finishes

nawledgelambo fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Dec 24, 2016

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard
With the way Chris Roberts and CIG continually misuse 'refactoring', it made me wonder about the publication date of Fowler's book on refactoring. It was published in 1999.

BeefThief
Aug 8, 2007

Yeah we just had to refactor the code into the new engine but it's done now so everything is great

HycoCam
Jul 14, 2016

You should have backed Transverse!
All I can think of when someone says "lumberyard":


So many thoughts. The first question I'd want to ask--"Hey Jeff B, how much you in for commando?"

Jeff being a superfan would be just awesome! There are so, so many synchronicities between the two companies. Amazon Studios makes TV series--The CIG VP of marketing is a perfect fit! Please, please Amazon--do a Star Citizen TV series!! Heck, might be the best way to get Chris and Sandi away from the project and let someone that knows what they are doing try to get SQ42 out the door.

Mr.PayDay
Jan 2, 2004
life is short - play hard

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Are those prices real? Holy poo poo those prices are real.

CIG just destroyed their own business model. Yes, they think people will pay $1 for 1000 UEC.

Yes, they think a big loving missile is worth $70.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/173901/#Comment_173901

Chris said you can buy this stuff with ingame credits so stop the polemics as someone like YOU who just REFUNDED hurts the business model the most!
:nono:

"My reference to World of Tanks was purely about how I felt the ability for people that don't have 40 hours a week to sink into a game have the opportunity to spend some money to keep up (an early post called this Pay2BeEqual) or drive a sexy tank they don't have 200 hours of game time to earn. I think WoT has some similarities to SC because they are both skill based games so having better equipment may help you but it will NOT guarantee victory - which is very important and similar to real life (I can have a better sports car than you but if you're a better driver you'll probably be able to beat me on a road course). And it is encouraging to me that they are doing well financially as it is a PC game in what I would have considered a niche category, which at first glance is how you could categorize Star Citizen. Its going to cost significant money to make Star Citizen and more money to continue to run it. I would love to see Star Citizen hit a 10 year anniversary like Eve, and knowing that another online PC game is doing well makes me feel confident that SC has the potential for longevity that I think everyone would like to see (which was the context for my comments in the article) .
[...]
Contributing additional money beyond your initial ship package will be entirely optional and not required to have fun or progression (but if you do short cut once in a while, know that you're money is going to support the development of the game and on-going content!)"

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe

Sarsapariller posted:

https://aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/faq/


Calling it now, they were able to integrate because the front end visual stuff hadn't really changed much at all. They switched because the new engine was basically the same code but also free from licensing fees, and Chris thinks the scaling amazon services he'll have access to on the back end are the silver bullet that will end all of his networking issues (they aren't).

so how much are you going to buy back in for?

again

Mr Fronts
Jan 31, 2016

Yo! The Mafia supports you. But don't tell no one. Spread the word.

Which March, exactly?

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

The Titanic posted:

So... yeah. I guess it's just product confusion. I know none of those pictures will ever be realized, but they're trying to milk every avenue. I guess the new target is people excited for the new Mass Effect game. :shrug:
That's what I thought too. They're channelling Mass Effect so hard there that at first I confused those bullshots for some kind of ME remastered edition.

We know those screens are complete bullshit, so in theory they could've done absolutely anything... and they still couldn't find a way to stamp even a little bit of unique personality onto them?

loving hacks.

moveable shape
Oct 18, 2015

DigitalMocking posted:

The engine switch finally did it. My co-worker who's in for at least 2k (that he'll admit to) asked me how to start the refund process. He's lost all faith in CIG.

Get this guy an account. His kind is welcome here

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Evil_Greven posted:

Amazing.

At this rate, humanity will go extinct before Chris Roberts releases Star Citizen.

That was always going to be true.

Ledenko
Aug 10, 2012
I don't see why an engine change would delay SC at all, porting assets is not a big deal and they have no actual features to port so

Mr.PayDay
Jan 2, 2004
life is short - play hard
Citizen Logic:
- CIG needed to switch to lumberjack because the Cryengine modded to Star Engine had serious issues and showstoppers and was limiting progress
- CIG won't worry about delays because Lumberjack = modded Cryengine

So err....They switch their modded Cryengine to another modded Cryengine because the Cryengine tech in itself was limited and needs refactoring but the other modded Cryengine is basically the same but totally different so...what?

:doh: :psyduck:

Romes128
Dec 28, 2008


Fun Shoe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Lumberyard

so there have been no games released using lumberyard?

cig switched engines to an unproven platform, with features (like gamelift, you know they're gonna use it cause they can't get their multiplayer poo poo sorted out) that haven't been implemented properly in any other game,

lmao

moveable shape
Oct 18, 2015
Anybody remember the video where Chris was going on about the cloud and 'the power of the machines' or something similarly insane?

Mr.PayDay
Jan 2, 2004
life is short - play hard

The Titanic posted:

Marketing hitting it hard.

HycoCam
Jul 14, 2016

You should have backed Transverse!

Romes128 posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Lumberyard

so there have been no games released using lumberyard?

cig switched engines to an unproven platform, with features (like gamelift, you know they're gonna use it cause they can't get their multiplayer poo poo sorted out) that haven't been implemented properly in any other game,

lmao

Makes me wonder if CIG didn't leap at the chance simply to get access to Amazon network engineers.

Wise Learned Man
Apr 22, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lipstick Apathy

Semi-Protato posted:

Welcome to CIG. We don't run our game, but we have an "arrangement" with the people who do.

:boom:

Merry Chrismas, everybody.

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer
there is always more and it is always worse.

VealCutlet
Dec 21, 2015

I am a marketing god, shave that shit
Back in for $6k, AWS will save SC

:discourse:

Crazy_BlackParrot
Feb 1, 2016

Christ Roberts is way better than toilet lord...
:gary: :lesnick: :yarg:
:pgabz: :fuzzknot: :eonwe:
:wtchris:

ComfyPants posted:

"What's this ad for the Grand Tour popping up on my HUD?"
"You mean the Galactic Tour?"
"No."

holy loving poo poo, it was in our face the whole time.

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
Just got my Gladius back from the shop, I'm loving the new mahogany armor.

triple-AAA, would refactor again

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



I had a very weird dream where CIG decided to change game engines after 4+ years of development

Mr.PayDay
Jan 2, 2004
life is short - play hard

Daztek posted:

I had a very weird dream where CIG decided to change game engines after 4+ years of development
Lumberjack is a modified iteration of Cryengine 3.8 so Starengine as modded Cryengine 3.8 already was ported and adapted. Read Chris' newsletter !
So you can wake up safely from this dream, Commando ! :woof:

Mr.PayDay
Jan 2, 2004
life is short - play hard
The real Cryengine is still on their payroll, fellas

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

King of Scheduling
Pillbug
The best part about the holidays is I get to see a bunch of friends who are otherwise scattered all over the place all together again.

Coming home from that and seeing that CIG switched engines while not telling their backers and possibly picking up a publisher? That is now a close second.

Mr.PayDay
Jan 2, 2004
life is short - play hard
Funny how the narrative changed in the poll thread
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/318617/should-cig-move-to-lumberyard-game-engine

Already 15,5% yes votes and No votes down to 63%
:allears:

Crazy_BlackParrot
Feb 1, 2016

Christ Roberts is way better than toilet lord...
:gary: :lesnick: :yarg:
:pgabz: :fuzzknot: :eonwe:
:wtchris:
So this is a huge win for Chris,

Everytime something gets delayed it will be " yeah, but we are waiting on a new update from Lumberyard to make this happen"

Holy poo poo, this is too loving beautiful

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Crazy_BlackParrot
Feb 1, 2016

Christ Roberts is way better than toilet lord...
:gary: :lesnick: :yarg:
:pgabz: :fuzzknot: :eonwe:
:wtchris:

Crazy_BlackParrot posted:

So this is a huge win for Chris,

Everytime something gets delayed it will be " yeah, but we are waiting on a new update from Lumberyard to make this happen"

Holy poo poo, this is too loving beautiful

one more thing, so lumberyard is an engine made for online games
Will SQ42 be using cryengine or lumberyard as well?

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