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Pollyanna posted:see the problem i have with this is "do X first, and then do X+Y later", which IME always becomes "do X first and then forget to do Y later" if my track record with chores and life choices mean anything you could probably do them simultaneously as long as you actually did follow through with the economic policy, my phrasing wasn't meant to be so absolute
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Fallen Hamprince posted:by the time the dems have finally agreed that although a strong economic message is important it is also important to build and retain the enthusiasm of racial minorities President Barron Trump II will be in a very vulnerable political position given strong bipartisan dissatisfaction with his moon-man policy. Sorry but I can't bring myself to vote against FULL COMMUNISM, why doesn't the DNC try to meet me halfway?
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zegermans posted:Sorry but I can't bring myself to vote against FULL COMMUNISM, why doesn't the DNC try to meet me halfway? Worked for the Republicans.
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I posted in some "Reform the Democratic Party" group about how the Dems could use their giant GOTV/messaging apparatus to pledge support of every striking or fired-for-striking worker. We could unionize every business in the state. But the first reply was how we can't accomplish anything until more Dems are elected.
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Theyd rather do this kind of poo poo god it's loving gross
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platzapS posted:Theyd rather do this kind of poo poo because it's easy yet meaningless platitudes that make themselves look good to absolutely nobody but themselves and it lets them avoid doing anything about the hard stuff
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Race Realists posted:this type of head-in-the-sand bullshit is why the negrotown thread exists No, it's divide & conquer. ID Pol and EC Pol are the same poo poo.
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platzapS posted:I posted in some "Reform the Democratic Party" group about how the Dems could use their giant GOTV/messaging apparatus to pledge support of every striking or fired-for-striking worker. We could unionize every business in the state. But the first reply was how we can't accomplish anything until more Dems are elected. the democrats don't have a giant gotv apparatus. it's rebuilt every election year.
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Pollyanna posted:because it's easy yet meaningless platitudes that make themselves look good to absolutely nobody but themselves they do that because it's how you build email lists. just like this: https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/happy_birthday_bernie the point is to get your email so they can ask you for stuff, or to do stuff.
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platzapS posted:Theyd rather do this kind of poo poo Pollyanna posted:because it's easy yet meaningless platitudes that make themselves look good to absolutely nobody but themselves it's email lists dudes, literally every single politician since the days when this was phone lists has done stuff like this.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:it's email lists dudes, literally every single politician since the days when this was phone lists has done stuff like this. each email account on the list will be cyber-guillotined when the revolution happens
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Tatum Girlparts posted:it's email lists dudes, literally every single politician since the days when this was phone lists has done stuff like this. and people loving fall for it how do i get over my disdain for all the people who need to WAKE UP it's tearing me apart and it isn't attractive
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yet another cyber-fraud perpetuated on the american people by cyber-clinton
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platzapS posted:and people loving fall for it settle down alex jones
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Why cant every person be exactly at my level of political knowledge
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knowledge is worthless and you should strive to have less not worry about other ppl havin more~
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There's a tendency for people to mean a whole bunch of different things by identity politics. Some people say idpol and mean pushing minority issues in general whereas to other people idpol means specifically stuff like Lena Dunham tweeting about the extinction of white men. Therefore some people hear 'drop identity politics' and assume that must be terrible but to other people it means you still keep pushing minority issues but you drop that kind of dumb and counterproductive poo poo.
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lazorexplosion posted:There's a tendency for people to mean a whole bunch of different things by identity politics. Some people say idpol and mean pushing minority issues in general whereas to other people idpol means specifically stuff like Lena Dunham tweeting about the extinction of white men. Therefore some people hear 'drop identity politics' and assume that must be terrible but to other people it means you still keep pushing minority issues but you drop that kind of dumb and counterproductive poo poo. We dont need to drop idpol, we need to drop class-exclusionary idpol, and pick up class-inclusionary idpol that focuses on the class war being waged on the poor and working class, including the disproportionately disenfranchised african american and hispanic population, who are taken advantage of by slum lords, who are forced to work 40 hours a week at a non-living minimum wage, who's infrastructure is falling a part as they watch the social safety net get torn to shreds in favor of "market based solutions", who can't afford the prescriptions their doctors write them. I feel like the only way you can hold the view that economic mobility and class-struggle arent directly related to the ways minorities are kept disenfranchised is if you've never lived in poor majority-minority neighborhoods.
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Ace of Baes posted:We dont need to drop idpol, we need to drop class-exclusionary idpol, and pick up class-inclusionary idpol that focuses on the class war being waged on the poor and working class, including the disproportionately disenfranchised african american and hispanic population, who are taken advantage of by slum lords, who are forced to work 40 hours a week at a non-living minimum wage, who's infrastructure is falling a part as they watch the social safety net get torn to shreds in favor of "market based solutions", who can't afford the prescriptions their doctors write them. or are completely delusional
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Ace of Baes posted:We dont need to drop idpol, we need to drop class-exclusionary idpol, and pick up class-inclusionary idpol that focuses on the class war being waged on the poor and working class, including the disproportionately disenfranchised african american and hispanic population, who are taken advantage of by slum lords, who are forced to work 40 hours a week at a non-living minimum wage, who's infrastructure is falling a part as they watch the social safety net get torn to shreds in favor of "market based solutions", who can't afford the prescriptions their doctors write them.
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social justice people really just need to stop looking at homeless disabled veterans and going "oh look, another white man having a sad" really social justice in general is just incredibly flawed now, we need to move away from it and toward a more inclusive mindset and the wind is already blowing in that direction
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Pollyanna posted:people who rant about idpol taking up too much time remind me of people complaining about PC culture which is really the crux of it for me Wow, how are we so  on this?I don't always agree with you, but when I do, 
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my problem with idpol as practiced by the dems currently is that it's completely shallow. how can you honestly claim to support racial justice when a prominent dem mayor sits on a video of a police shooting so he has an easier time of getting reelected? ditto for allowing the army corps of engineers to gently caress over native americans yet again by building pipelines close to them. ditto for not supporting gay marriage until it finally became politically expedient to do so. the democrats devotion to idpol is rarely more than lip service
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Segmentation Fault posted:social justice people really just need to stop looking at homeless disabled veterans and going "oh look, another white man having a sad" Thanks reddit
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zen death robot posted:What the gently caress is going on 
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Thanks reddit threddit
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Segmentation Fault posted:social justice people really just need to stop looking at homeless disabled veterans and going "oh look, another white man having a sad" The type of people who would look at homeless disabled veterans and go "oh look, another white man having a sad" make up a tiny extreme minority of the the alt-center and getting upset about them is just giving them the attention theyre seeking, people engaging in this kind of behavior should be condemned and then immediately ignored, framing them as a larger part of the left or center left isn't accurate or constructive, if anything it's destructive to the progress of the party.
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i'm part of the incredibly totalitarian alt-f4 movement
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Ace of Baes posted:The type of people who would look at homeless disabled veterans and go "oh look, another white man having a sad" make up a tiny extreme minority of the the alt-center and getting upset about them is just giving them the attention theyre seeking, people engaging in this kind of behavior should be condemned and then immediately ignored, framing them as a larger part of the left or center left isn't accurate or constructive, if anything it's destructive to the progress of the party. they might not be doing that exactly but disregarding class as well as certain other identity spectrums (e.g. physical ability) in order to focus on the race/sex/lgbt triumvirate is a documented thing that many of these people do
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what the hell is the alt-center alt-right=neo-Nazi who knows memes!!!! alt-center=????
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#woke neoliberals who know memes?
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Big Fat Iguana posted:what the hell is the alt-center the alt- suffix basically now just means "how internet you are" like you know those two-dimensional political graphs with economic policy on one axis and social policy on the other? Well now imagine a third axis that's "internet savvy." That's the alt- poo poo.
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deadgoon posted:#woke neoliberals who know memes? Someone probate me before I have a meltdown over the misuse of the word neoliberal
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Segmentation Fault posted:the alt- suffix basically now just means "how internet you are" That's the dumbest thing I've heard today Everyone is internet savvy these days even grannies!!
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the idea that you're gonna solve social justice issues by allying with the smart ethical corporations against the dumb evil ones is neoliberal as gently caress
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deadgoon posted:the idea that you're gonna solve social justice issues by allying with the smart ethical corporations against the dumb evil ones is neoliberal as gently caress no see Tracer being gay is so important
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Ace of Baes posted:We dont need to drop idpol, we need to drop class-exclusionary idpol, and pick up class-inclusionary idpol that focuses on the class war being waged on the poor and working class, including the disproportionately disenfranchised african american and hispanic population, who are taken advantage of by slum lords, who are forced to work 40 hours a week at a non-living minimum wage, who's infrastructure is falling a part as they watch the social safety net get torn to shreds in favor of "market based solutions", who can't afford the prescriptions their doctors write them. this word salad precipitates exactly why we need to drop idpol~ if you have to explain it so much to justify it, it isn't worth the hassle in a post truth world
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