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Yeah thinking about it mass sterilization of the lower social classes is bad for me because at some point I wouldn't have anyone left to exploit
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# ? Dec 25, 2016 13:54 |
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Rational self-interest benefits all classes.
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# ? Dec 25, 2016 14:52 |
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Hugoon Chavez posted:It's not that hard considering I live in Madrid, Durr me no read good. Baron Porkface fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Dec 25, 2016 |
# ? Dec 25, 2016 15:19 |
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Is there another source for that story other that Drudge Report?
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# ? Dec 25, 2016 15:58 |
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Did none of you idiots read the article? It was about women CHOOSING sterilization. Going out of their way to attend "sterilization days" where the procedure is cheaper or free. This isn't being forced on them except that the economic situation is making sterilization preferable. While women have been (and are being) sterilized without being asked (especially here in the States), the article wasn't about that.
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# ? Dec 25, 2016 20:21 |
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D&D leftists are so pathetic they avoid this thread during the day to day discussion of starvation, despiration and death caused by the PSUV only to come clown carring in when some poor Venezuelan goon says something not PC. They give no shits about the starving children Venezuela's "healthcare system" cannot help yet go nuts when a culture outside their own has to make difficult decisions to try and do something about the massive human tragedy.
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# ? Dec 25, 2016 23:45 |
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Pity Party Animal posted:D&D leftists are so pathetic they avoid this thread during the day to day discussion of starvation, despiration and death caused by the PSUV only to come clown carring in when some poor Venezuelan goon says something not PC. Nice meltdown dude, but mandatory sterilization is literally a Nazi idea.
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# ? Dec 25, 2016 23:50 |
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It predates the nazis..
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# ? Dec 25, 2016 23:51 |
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its not like we have anything meaningful to contribute other than sympathy if its voluntary then whatever though, i am assuming a lot of folks would rather not be having kids right now so good for them but of course we are only gonna weigh in on the superficial stuff, for the rest of it i just read and stay up to date and share the info because what the hell else is there to do
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 00:17 |
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Pity Party Animal posted:D&D leftists are so pathetic they avoid this thread during the day to day discussion of starvation, despiration and death caused by the PSUV only to come clown carring in when some poor Venezuelan goon says something not PC. I think forced sterilization goes a little bit beyond "not PC," tbh. "Heh, you don't like forced sterilization? What an SJW."
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 00:27 |
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Donald Trump just was elected president of the United States. Time to reset your outrage meter magorician.
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 00:30 |
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I don't think anyone can in good conscience argue in favor of forced loving sterilization and that El Hefe went too far in expressing his sentiments. Honestly it seems like a great idea. Pregnancy gets out of control in Venezuela's lower class due to terrible sexual education and I'm sure at least once my friends have told me that condoms aren't easy to find or expensive at that period in time. I can't loving imagine how difficult it must be to be pregnant, give birth then raise a newborn in a family that's already struggling daily. I think every single couple I know that had a kid in the past 5 years has fled the country to the first place they could kind of plan.
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 01:05 |
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Baloogan posted:Donald Trump just was elected president of the United States. Time to reset your outrage meter magorician. LOL you think I can only be outraged by one thing at a time.
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 01:22 |
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Majorian posted:LOL you think I can only be outraged by one thing at a time. Majackinitoriatoreceasarromanianiankikanican
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 01:25 |
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Hugoon Chavez posted:I don't think anyone can in good conscience argue in favor of forced loving sterilization and that El Hefe went too far in expressing his sentiments. Nor can I. I cannot even imagine what kind of struggle it is to live day to day in Venezuela or have family there. To not know if tomorrow your family might have starved, been murdered, kidnapped or disappeared by who knows who. So have some understanding, mods and readers, when a Venegoon gets a little frustrated and lets it out here. fishmech posted:Nice meltdown dude, but mandatory sterilization is literally a Nazi idea. I fishmeched fishmech! A Christmas miracle!
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 05:07 |
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Pity Party Animal posted:Nor can I. I cannot even imagine what kind of struggle it is to live day to day in Venezuela or have family there. To not know if tomorrow your family might have starved, been murdered, kidnapped or disappeared by who knows who. So have some understanding, mods and readers, when a Venegoon gets a little frustrated and lets it out here. People who start saying Hitler had some good ideas when they get frustrated need some serious help, in my opinion. Especially people saying it for a country run by a dictator already.
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 11:45 |
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fishmech posted:People who start saying Hitler had some good ideas when they get frustrated need some serious help, in my opinion. Especially people saying it for a country run by a dictator already.
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 14:30 |
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Jacobin's designated pro-Maduro columnist (whose monthly pro-regime pieces include "the colectivos don't exist" from August) has been censured by his employer, Drexel University, for tweeting a call for "white genocide."
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 15:44 |
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M. Discordia posted:Jacobin's designated pro-Maduro columnist (whose monthly pro-regime pieces include "the colectivos don't exist" from August) has been censured by his employer, Drexel University, for tweeting a call for "white genocide." Wait, that's George Ciccariello that guy is an insufferable prick that's been defending the revolution for years now. I've seen him literally laugh in the face of people that say there's a crisis in Venezuela. According to his logic, if things were so bad, people wouldn't be queuing at all. All the queues are actually a sign of high purchasing power, you see. He's basically a semi-literate Jimmy.
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 16:04 |
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George Ciccariello is the worst kind of "academic", although I hesitate to call him that. He's abrasive, willfully ignorant, close-minded and intellectually cowardly. I remember that in early July I was looking through his Twitter feed. It was full of the angry ramblings you'd expect to hear from that one kid in high school people didn't like hanging out with because he always launched into threatening rants and you were never quite sure that he was joking when he said he'd shoot up the school. Anyway, I distinctly remember that one of his tweets was "Kill the pigs". Edgy! Very shortly after (within that same week), the Dallas Police shooting happened. I went back to his Twitter page to see if he'd said anything about the shooting, and to see if his old tweet was still there, but he had deleted it. You should have the backbone to stand by (or, leave yourself open to correction) what you've said in the past or the emotional/mental maturity to control your outbursts. EDIT: Apparently the offending tweet was "All I want for Christmas is white genocide". Yeah, this is a guy I want to pay thousands of dollars in tuition to learn from Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Dec 26, 2016 |
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It's always pleasant to see George Ciccariello eat poo poo.
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 20:25 |
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egads, my dick has become entangled within the confines of a particularly poorly-maintained screw press!
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 20:31 |
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It's kinda sad to see a lot of academics on twitter engage in a defense of George Ciccariello for being a shitposting edge-lord who fellates Maduro's govt.
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 21:37 |
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AmericanBarbarian posted:It's kinda sad to see a lot of academics on twitter engage in a defense of George Ciccariello for being a shitposting edge-lord who fellates Maduro's govt. They're very oppressed by the capitalist system, that's why they get paid by the government to sit around and post treason on Twitter all day.
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 21:49 |
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hi i'm dare
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# ? Dec 26, 2016 22:09 |
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It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I think George will come out the hero. He'll either get fired and become a martyr, or stay at his post and be vindicated. I hope that he'll at least develop the good sense to lay off Twitter. John Stuart Mill said something that applies here. I'm paraphrasing heavily, but it goes something like this: limiting the freedom of expression is more hurtful to those who disagree with the opinion than to those who agree. Limiting freedom of expression robs us of the truth if the opinion is correct, and of knowing that we are correct if the opinion is wrong. So, as repulsive as I find George, I think that we actually need him around to do his thing. That doesn't mean that his employer can't take issue with what he says, though Anyway, now for some thread-specific content: I didn't catch this at the time, but apparently Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos said on his Christmas address that he wanted to make Colombia a very close NATO partner. The Venezuelan Ministry of Foreign Affairs reacted to the news by issuing this statement [emphasis mine because I think it's ridiculous]: quote:The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela expresses its profound concern and rejection of the announcement by the President of the Republic of Colombia, Juan Manuel Santos, over the start of talks in order to cement a military cooperation agreement between Colombia and NATO. In other news, Jesus Torrealba (the head of the MUD) said in an interview that the opposition should give up trying to get rid of Maduro, since that goal is now "beyond the horizon". He said that the MUD should instead focus on winning the regional elections which were supposed to have happened already but that the government cancelled just because. There's absolutely no guarantee that the elections will take place at all as long as Maduro is in power, so why Torrealba thinks its a good idea to chase that rabbit is beyond me. Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Dec 26, 2016 |
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Chuck Boone posted:In other news, Jesus Torrealba (the head of the MUD) said in an interview that the opposition should give up trying to get rid of Maduro, since that goal is now "beyond the horizon". He said that the MUD should instead focus on winning the regional elections which were supposed to have happened already but that the government cancelled just because. There's absolutely no guarantee that the elections will take place at all as long as Maduro is in power, so why Torrealba thinks its a good idea to chase that rabbit is beyond me. I know a lot of hay is made in this thread about how the country is a complete kleptocracy where those in charge only care about the bottom line and gently caress you got mine, but what are the odds that the PSUV/SEBIN/Armed Forces/[idk, insert power player here] cut the heads of the opposition a deal in exchange for them to talk a tough(ish) opposition game but in actuality be completely useless? Incompetency and fear may be a large part of MUD failure and I have nothing to back up the above, just musing.
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# ? Dec 27, 2016 11:52 |
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Vlex posted:I know a lot of hay is made in this thread about how the country is a complete kleptocracy where those in charge only care about the bottom line and gently caress you got mine, but what are the odds that the PSUV/SEBIN/Armed Forces/[idk, insert power player here] cut the heads of the opposition a deal in exchange for them to talk a tough(ish) opposition game but in actuality be completely useless? Incompetency and fear may be a large part of MUD failure and I have nothing to back up the above, just musing. This is something almost every Venezuelan fears is happening right now. I know I don't trust Torrealba at all. They are either playing us or so incompetent and cowardly that it just looks that way. In either case it's not a great picture.
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# ? Dec 27, 2016 12:18 |
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It does make sense. If I were the government, I'd have reached out to the heads of the opposition a while ago and basically told them "Look, here's how it is. If you play nice and don't make too much of a fuss, you'll get your chance in the next elections. Shut up, take some cash and keep your head down, or get your rear end thrown in jail". I don't think all the major opposition players are under their thumb, but they are woefully out of their depth when it comes to standing up against a dictatorship. I don't envy their job – it's not something you can pull off if everyone is more interested in keeping their asses safe rather than contribute to the cause, I guess. Either way, at this point it's pretty obvious Chavismo is not going to leave via elections. If I had to bet, I'd say at some point one of their factions will backstab the others in exchange for not being prosecuted after the whole thing falls down, or maybe some military will fancy himself the next Chavez and convince enough officers to pull off a successful coup and the cycle will begin again.
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# ? Dec 27, 2016 15:51 |
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Ofaloaf posted:Is there another source for that story other that Drudge Report? the drudge report is linking to the WaPo story, headline and all, friend - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.9cd51ebf8175 gj on reflexively shooting from the hip at the first messenger you saw tho AmericanBarbarian posted:It's kinda sad to see a lot of academics on twitter engage in a defense of George Ciccariello for being a shitposting edge-lord who fellates Maduro's govt. Suddenly, it is very important among Marxist circles that you don't use shame/group pressure tactics against people for exercising their freedom of speech online[1] https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/12/not-here-to-make-friends-a-statement-of-support-for-george-ciccariello-maher because Solidarity, you see, means a Movement is judged by how it treats the most edgelordeist of its members [1] unless they say something that is the same as 'violence', then its OK to report them to the police/call their school/call their church/doxx the gently caress out of them, but of course the twitter mob will judge fairly against the miscreants[2] [2] miscreants are ppl w/ Bad political views[3] [3] speaking of bad views looking forward to Ciccariello's defense of forced sterilizations, after he first denounces it as a CIA lie, but then Maduro goes on TV a few days later and is like "Yes, this is new national policy, for the good of the country'.
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 16:15 |
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Maduro just announced that the Bs. 100 bills will go out of circulation on January 20. This is the second time that he has postponed their phasing out. Originally, the bills were supposed to go out of circulation on December 15, and then on January 2. The constant postponements are likely being caused by the fact that the country is having difficulty getting the new bills which are supposed to replace the Bs. 100 notes. Also, I just read an interesting interview with a writer named Antonio Sanchez Garcia. The interview is a bit too lengthy for me to translate, but the article is titled "The mediocrity of the Venezuelan opposition is extremely serious". In the interview, Sanchez says that it's beyond obvious that the MUD and the opposition in general are only interested in posturing so that they can get into power whenever it's most convenient for them, and that they're more interested in their own well-being than that of the country. He says that this is evidenced by the fact that they have failed spectacularly at defending and/or promoting the rights that they pretend to stand for. He also talked a bit about a couple of stories. One is that Julio Borges, the head of the Primero Justicia opposition party, has been in talks with some high-ranking army officers. The talks centered around these officials ensuring that Maduro stayed in power until 2018, so that he could run (and lose) the presidential elections that year against, presumably, Henrique Capriles. In exchange, these officers were guaranteed control of the Ministry of Defense in an opposition government. It's an extremely depressing read, so give it a look if you can read Spanish!
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 20:21 |
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Chuck Boone posted:In the interview, Sanchez says that it's beyond obvious that the MUD and the opposition in general are only interested in posturing so that they can get into power whenever it's most convenient for them, and that they're more interested in their own well-being than that of the country. He says that this is evidenced by the fact that they have failed spectacularly at defending and/or promoting the rights that they pretend to stand for. That kind of cynicism would be pretty disgusting, but even leaving aside the more generous interpretation that they're just cowards (or even justifiably frightened by the alliance between the regime and the military), it's not entirely crazy. When it looked like the opposition was probably going to be taking over earlier in the year, there were definitely people in this thread worrying that they'd be left holding the bag for Maduro's failures and would end up inheriting the blame/letting the PSUV off the hook. Things have since gotten worse than anyone probably expected at the time (including the opposition), so I think everyone would now say that it would have been better if the MUD had actually taken over, but even if avoiding power because of those concerns is a wrong or stupid decision, it's not hard to see how the terrible situation they'd be left with even if they did somehow overcome the regime could contribute to the lack of motivation for taking the fight to the streets.
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# ? Dec 31, 2016 05:20 |
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Sinteres posted:That kind of cynicism would be pretty disgusting, but even leaving aside the more generous interpretation that they're just cowards (or even justifiably frightened by the alliance between the regime and the military), it's not entirely crazy. When it looked like the opposition was probably going to be taking over earlier in the year, there were definitely people in this thread worrying that they'd be left holding the bag for Maduro's failures and would end up inheriting the blame/letting the PSUV off the hook. Things have since gotten worse than anyone probably expected at the time (including the opposition), so I think everyone would now say that it would have been better if the MUD had actually taken over, but even if avoiding power because of those concerns is a wrong or stupid decision, it's not hard to see how the terrible situation they'd be left with even if they did somehow overcome the regime could contribute to the lack of motivation for taking the fight to the streets. We weren't expecting Maduro to be this evil and the MUD to be this easy to manipulate. Currently I have absolutely no hope whatsoever that the country will recover, or that Maduro will be removed, but honestly, just seeing how the MUD still treats Maduro like he's some sort of village idiot when he's managed to best them at every turn merely by playing them against each other is undisputably stupid of them. They had a legitimate chance to take over, had they played their cards right. Instead, they caved on the very first blow the government threw at them with the Amazonas deputies, simply refusing to put up a fight, now, they're done for. Nobody expected them to be this cowardly, not even top tier PSUVistas who tried to flip earlier this year. In other news, guess who just got freed today: Manuel Rosales! He managed to voluntarily surrender himself, then successfully negotiate his release, take that Leopoldo! (Except of course, he had already dodged his charges by requesting asylum in Peru, and he had been completely irrelevant for the 5 years prior to his surrender) fnox fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Dec 31, 2016 |
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Things have been a bit slow(ish) over the last few days on account of the holidays, but here's a quick summary of some of what has been going on in the past few days:
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So do the new denominations of bolivares stand any chance of actually appearing in the next week or two? How will people pay for goods and services if not?
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# ? Jan 4, 2017 14:57 |
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Vlex posted:So do the new denominations of bolivares stand any chance of actually appearing in the next week or two? How will people pay for goods and services if not? Oh man, I'd forgotten about those. Who knows, really? Government officials say they've already received a couple of the new denominations and they're working with banks to get them out, but according to some stuff I've read, it usually takes over a month for banks to adapt ATMs to new bills. In the meantime, if preparations aren't ready by the 20th, Maduro will just extend the life support of the Bs100 bill (again).
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# ? Jan 4, 2017 15:31 |
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Vlex posted:So do the new denominations of bolivares stand any chance of actually appearing in the next week or two? How will people pay for goods and services if not? In short: it's not looking good. As far as I'm aware, at least one of the new coins (Bs. 50) has seen limited circulation, but the Venegoons will be able to speak to this more. As far as the bills go (specifically the Bs. 500 bill, which is the first one that is supposed to enter circulation), it seemed to me like every day last week the government announced that X amount of bills had arrived in the country, but they haven't begun circulating yet. As of this morning, banks have yet to hear from the Central Bank about the introduction of the new bills, and they haven't received any new bills in the last two weeks, either.
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# ? Jan 4, 2017 15:57 |
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So basically something suspicious (quelle surprise) is going on with the roll-out and there will be chaos when it finally does happen due to inadequate infrastructure and planning.
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# ? Jan 4, 2017 17:22 |
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Really I imagine they're trying to avoid paying for the new notes which is holding up the delivery. And making sure they go to the 'right people' first as well, of course.
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Makes me glad for the porous border across the Orinoco, for my part.
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