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Main Paineframe posted:remember the great society
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jBrereton posted:Yeah it got wrecked by an expensive war lol Medicare and other social benefits signed into law by LBJ haven't gone away. Obama won't have any similar long lasting accomplishment since Obamacare ended up being a high deductible plan failure.
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Dec 26, 2016 23:23
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obamacare? obama DONT care
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Not a Step posted:Yes, Civil Rights went down because of appeals to basic humanity, which is a good and strong path forward. Being able to relate to the essential humanness of others is the best identity of all. Saying that youre special and no one can understand you is maybe slightly less of a winning approach. White people really dont understand racism though.
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Phi230 posted:White people really dont understand racism though. is n't that racist?
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Guys could you please stop trolling Christian Trekkie Libertarians with your comparisons of Jesus to Bernie Sanders? Thanks. http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/jesus-not-socialist-bernie-sanders-ones-savior/ quote:The political appropriation of Jesus by the progressive left has reached new lows this Christmas. From memes depicting the Holy Family as “Middle Eastern” refugees at Christ’s birth (they weren’t) to The People for Bernie Sanders Facebook fan page comparing their hero to Jesus, the trolling of Christians by people who probably can’t even recite the Our Father is in rare form this year. Rand alPaul has issued a correction as of 23:30 on Dec 26, 2016 |
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oh no not a political movement claiming jesus is on their side 
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etalian posted:LBJ passed medicare, Savior Obama passed a healthcare plan that subsidized the same insurance and big pharma people causing the healthcare cost problem. Actually providers are causing the cost problem
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Main Paineframe posted:yeah, all that idpol stuff hillary pushed, like "Would it solve Racism?" and "Would it solve sexism?" hope this helps!
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Dec 26, 2016 23:49
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Jacobin is a good website.
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if you think about it donald trump is the real victim of classism, despite all the money he's made and the fact that he's been elected president the establishment and the academic/media elites still will never really respect him because of his vulgar nouveau riche roots i understand why he and kanye get along now, they've both had a similar life experience
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Main Paineframe posted:remember the great society, when the left were able to do economic reform and civil rights legislation at the same time? i miss those days. When Ms. Rodham was trying to undermine those things at the time, people didn't defend her, so a lot more got done. Good stuff.
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Lessig would have- hahahaha sorry no I tried
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docbeard posted:Lessig would have- Wasn't his platform to reform campaign finance and then resign as president?
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lessig's campaign was to not sign any legislation until his constutional amendment for campaign finance reform passed and then resign immediately
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Concerned Citizen posted:i wonder if those things and the subsequent collapse of the party from 1968-1992 are related This was the Clintonite's thesis. It's why Bill ran on things like eliminating welfare. Their idea was that the country was fundamentally a center right nation, and was opposed to things like social services. If the democrats came out against those things, they would be seen as responsible, moderate, and would shake off their old baggage of being too far left and the party of big government and big society pushes. I don't think it's true. The democrats chopped welfare at the knees and we're still the party of foodstamps and welfare cheats. It doesn't matter that the democrats made it so that you HAVE to work for a living to recieve assistance, they still call us the party of those who vote for a living. Except now we've got a history of making things harder for poor people. I think this idea is a losing one. We are not a center right nation, we are a desperate one. We are one of vast differences in wealth and power, we are one that is richer and more powerful than any country has ever been that still has people who can't go to the dentist and who go hungry and who die freezing out where no one can help them. A simpering party who is afraid to stand for those without is a shameful party, and that is reflected in how it has retreated to small enclaves where it's safe. Grondoth has issued a correction as of 00:25 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Main Paineframe posted:yeah, all that idpol stuff hillary pushed, like __________ and __________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRimyfmz0MA "a special place in hell" - Madelyn "those children deserved to starve to death" Albright
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Remember when shovel ready was not as shovel-ready as we expected? Obama was a bad president
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Grondoth posted:This was the Clintonite's thesis. It's why Bill ran on things like eliminating welfare. Their idea was that the country was fundamentally a center right nation, and was opposed to things like social services. If the democrats came out against those things, they would be seen as responsible, moderate, and would shake off their old baggage of being too far left and the party of big government and big society pushes. This. And it's like Mark Blyth says: if you have one party that's strongly neoliberal and one that's weakly or deceptively so, the people inclined to vote neoliberal are going to go for the first one anyway. I think the real mistake the New Democrats made was assuming Reagan's success was truly ideological (and therefore impossible to oppose) rather than just incredibly good messaging.
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Baloogan posted:obamacare? obama DONT care isn't that immoral?
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Concerned Citizen posted:i wonder if those things and the subsequent collapse of the party from 1968-1992 are related taken straight from the mouths of George Wallace and Bill Clinton actually, whoa now I'm kinda freaked out
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Did anybody else ask for full socialism now for Christmas? Because I think it only works if we all ask for it.
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Thoguh posted:Did anybody else ask for full socialism now for Christmas? i ask every ear
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Thoguh posted:Did anybody else ask for full socialism now for Christmas? santa is a tool of the establishment, an avatar of capitalism. we do not ask the establishment capitalists for things; we put them up against the wall
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Thoguh posted:Did anybody else ask for full socialism now for Christmas? i asked for full pizza should be here any minute
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Concerned Citizen posted:i wonder if those things and the subsequent collapse of the party from 1968-1992 are related If the collapse of the Democratic Party is the price that has to be paid to get landmark social and economic progress, I'm willing to burn the party to the ground whenever. Also lol at the idea that Reagan was any more inevitable than we all thought Clinton was. Phi230 posted:White people really dont understand racism though. Ok, but the thing is doesn't hurt whites at all to not understand racism. They don't have to. Nothing bad will happen to them for not giving a poo poo about people who are apparently too alien to ever be understood. Standing behind 'you just don't understand' doesn't actually solve anything or help anyone. You have to find other ways to connect to or circumvent current power structures if you want to accomplish anything. MLK and every Civil Rights activist in America couldn't have done anything without a rural white from flyover Texas on their side. Pushing 'you don't understand us' is not going to accomplish anything for anyone.
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Not a Step posted:If the collapse of the Democratic Party is the price that has to be paid to get landmark social and economic progress, I'm willing to burn the party to the ground whenever. MLK and the civil rights movement were whitewashed and ultimately destroyed. White Ignorance/ The White Bubble makes whites as a whole the enemy of social progress
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White silence IS consent of white supremacy
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Phi230 posted:White silence IS consent of white supremacy 1. Whites have systemic power over every aspect of society 2. Whites are terrible and inveterate racists who support white supremacy 3. ??? 4. Whites will happily share power with pocs Makes sense to me.
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Not a Step posted:1. Whites have systemic power over every aspect of society Lol lets ignore how white people are apathetic at best of white supremacy
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Phi230 posted:Lol lets ignore how white people are apathetic at best of white supremacy Its a good gig! Why would anyone want to give that up? E: If your basic world view is that whites are terrible 'others' who cannot possible understand you at a fundamental level, you should probably just give up or go full separatist because theres no way whites, as you've conceived them, would ever do anything for you in any capacity. If you want progress than you have to start from the axiom of 'most white people aren't opposed to my personhood, even if they don't particularly care about me specifically' and work out from there. Nix Panicus has issued a correction as of 02:01 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Guys, please, can we all take the time to Thank Hillary for running?
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She got the most expensive participation award in US political history.
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quote:Pavlovitz writes about how Hillary Clinton has served this country her entire life, and he knows she’ll continue to do the daily, difficult, unglamorous work of real leadership; “the kind that your opponent will never understand” or be interested in doing behind the scenes, “away from the spotlight; not fishing for compliments or pleading for adulation or begging to noticed.” AKA: Nothing
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Grondoth posted:AKA: Nothing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmD3vfudlDU
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remember when Hillary praised the reagans' response to the rise of hiv during their presidency? http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/11/hillary-clinton-lauds-reagans-on-aids-a-backlash-erupts/?_r=0 Such an advocate for social justice that Hillary
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Neolibs and fascists raus
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Condiv posted:remember when Hillary praised the reagans' response to the rise of hiv during their presidency? http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/11/hillary-clinton-lauds-reagans-on-aids-a-backlash-erupts/?_r=0 Hillary "I supported the Crime Bill" Clinton
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deadgoon posted:if you think about it donald trump is the real victim of classism, despite all the money he's made and the fact that he's been elected president the establishment and the academic/media elites still will never really respect him because of his vulgar nouveau riche roots Kanye West is a victim of classist nouveau riche elitism. Donald Trump was born into money and just has bad taste. It's that he's tacky, not new money. His sin is subscribing to a different outdated boring design aesthetic than everyone else at the country club. They have him because he likes block letters.
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lol the comments quote:NCJan yankeegrlDec 26 · 03:56:23 PM
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