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WickedHate posted:Merry Christmas Trek thread. 
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Astroman posted:It's important to judge the early show in context though, not from the hindsight of modern tv storytelling. What seems like "dated and gimmicky" scifi stuff now was actually groundbreaking and very different at the time. Even if some of the plot tropes were well trod in the pulp magazines and novels of the previous 30 years, the vast mainstream of America's tv audience hadn't been exposed to them. The public was used to seeing stuff like "Voyage To The Bottom of the Sea", "Time Tunnel," and "My Favorite Martian." and "Lost in Space." There were also high concept anthologies that had scifi episodes like "Twilight Zone" and "Outer Limits." But there was nothing like Star Trek, which was serious adult drama in space in a continuous universe. I agree, although calling TOS "serious adult drama" can be a bit of a stretch at times. It's just that people have so much more exposure to Scifi than they used to that stuff like evil clones and societies run by computers are pretty much bog standard so the more high concept episodes don't necessarily resonate with modern audiences that well, especially in the early episodes where there's often very little suspense beyond a central plot twist you can see coming a mile away. It didn't take them that long though to start nailing the character drama and moving to twistier, more mysterious plots and those episodes hold up much better (with some horrific exceptions in season 3, of course). PS: Happy holidays to anyone who still follows such primitive superstitions.
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Dec 26, 2016 02:42
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Duckbag posted:PS: Happy holidays to anyone who still follows such primitive superstitions. I find the one holiday quite sufficient 
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Dec 26, 2016 02:48
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WickedHate posted:Merry Christmas Trek thread. 
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Dec 26, 2016 02:53
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I wonder what they actually do to celebrate Federation Day.
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Dec 26, 2016 02:54
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Duckbag posted:I wonder what they actually do to celebrate Federation Day. It's like Fourth of July in America. It's anti-matter fireworks, they blow up small moons on the border, and there's at least one brawl on Qo'noS that started with someone drunk off his rear end on blood wine shouting UFP! UFP!
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Dec 26, 2016 03:06
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I bet there's a couple holidays like Kirk Day, where everyone bones, and certainly a First Contact Day and probably some Holidays relating to some other aliens cultures. I gotta say some of the Bajorian holidays looked like fun. I always liked how they got Brock Peters as Sisko's dad, and didn't feel the need to explain why he was also Cartwright. Like "oh after the discgrace of the Admiral, his family changed their name, so Sisko is decended from of the biggest traitors in Federation history!"
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Dec 26, 2016 03:39
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There's only one holiday that matters in the Federation.  
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Dec 26, 2016 05:07
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Have we established exactly what day Picard Day falls on?
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Dec 26, 2016 05:17
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June 16th.
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Dec 26, 2016 05:25
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TheBigAristotle posted:Have we established exactly what day Picard Day falls on? This needs to be a stat Holiday like Christmas, asap.
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Dec 26, 2016 05:27
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All the days.
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Dec 26, 2016 05:35
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Every day is Captain Picard day in my heart.
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Dec 26, 2016 06:01
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Rhyno posted:Every day is Captain Picard day in my heart. Ding ding ding, we have a winner, folks. e: although... maybe I owe MikeJF an apology: http://www.treknews.net/2016/06/16/happy-captain-picard-day-4/ quote:As Star Trek trivia buffs will know, June 16th is “Captain Picard Day.” Celebrated today, because of its equivalence to Stardate 47457.1, as mentioned in the Star Trek: The Next Generation seventh season episode “The Pegasus”.
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Dec 26, 2016 06:59
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Astroman posted:There's only one holiday that matters in the Federation. He's a role model.
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Dec 26, 2016 08:22
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WickedHate posted:He's a role model. I'm sure he is.
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Dec 26, 2016 17:36
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I see I wasn't the only one who thought it. https://twitter.com/nasawatch/status/813245336479289344
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Dec 26, 2016 22:07
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She's wearing the wrong emblem for science/medical
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Dec 27, 2016 00:38
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She's the queen, pretty sure she's command track, whatever happens.
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Dec 27, 2016 02:18
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If she wants to get ahead, she needs to take chances, stand out in a crowd, get noticed.
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Dec 27, 2016 03:04
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I think driving ambulances qualifies her as ops, not sciences.
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Dec 27, 2016 03:09
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Dear Trek thread, does anybody have that wonderful "Welcome back Voyager, we've been fighting the Dominion war since you've been gone" handy? I actually need to repost it in another thread. Somebody just made a DS9 refrence.
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Dec 27, 2016 03:16
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Cojawfee posted:If she wants to get ahead, she needs to take chances, stand out in a crowd, get noticed. This explains 2016. We're in the alternate timeline Q made to teach the Queen a valuable lesson!
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Dec 27, 2016 03:26
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Pakled posted:I think driving ambulances qualifies her as ops, not sciences. Plus she was a decent mechanic 
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Dec 27, 2016 05:36
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Man I forgot how the second Enhanced episode goes off the rails. It seems like its going to be good, but Julian gets super creepy and possessive over Serena, as if because he fixed her, he deserves her love. Though the next episode has this crazy series A plot, and a crazy silly B plot.
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Dec 27, 2016 06:42
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In retrospect, it makes perfect sense that Bashir's only successful relationship is with a psychiatrist.
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Dec 27, 2016 12:44
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twistedmentat posted:Man I forgot how the second Enhanced episode goes off the rails. It seems like its going to be good, but Julian gets super creepy and possessive over Serena, as if because he fixed her, he deserves her love. Was the idea for that episode that Bashir would make the same mistakes as his parents or what?
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Dec 27, 2016 14:48
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I wish they had gone the route that Serena had feelings for Jack, as it was a plot point the first time they were around. Although as I type this, there's somewhat of an icky "people with disabilities should stay with others like them" message there...
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Dec 27, 2016 15:36
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I don't like the whole "fixing the mentally ill" thing.
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Dec 27, 2016 15:51
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WickedHate posted:I don't like the whole "fixing the mentally ill" thing. Please, come meet my brother with schizoaffective disorder. I would very much like him to be back to himself from 3-4 years ago. A fairly cheap shot, I know, but there's nothing wrong with wanting to return someone to their happiest and healthiest state of mind. It's just a shame DS9 turned it into wacky entertainment.
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Dec 27, 2016 16:28
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WickedHate posted:I don't like the whole "fixing the mentally ill" thing. As opposed to leaving them ill? In an ideal society, we should be able to fix the mentally ill, I don't see the issue.
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Dec 27, 2016 16:29
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That's offensive to Depressed culture.
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Dec 27, 2016 16:30
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WampaLord posted:As opposed to leaving them ill? In an ideal society, we should be able to fix the mentally ill, I don't see the issue. How can what Bashir's dad did be seen as anything other than the murder of a child and replacing him with a new one? Bashir flat out says so himself, which is why it's all the weirder he gloms he sees this girl as a broken machine he can tune up so she can be his space waifu. On the other hand some would call me a hypocrite because I think deaf culture is super toxic and physical ailments are a completely different matter, but 
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Dec 27, 2016 16:39
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WickedHate posted:How can what Bashir's dad did be seen as anything other than the murder of a child and replacing him with a new one? Oh, I didn't think we were talking about Bashir's augmenting, because that goes beyond "mentally ill" into full on physical issues with his mind not being developed enough. If anything, Bashir had a "physical ailment."
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Dec 27, 2016 16:43
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Having known people with mental illness of various forms and severity I can't think of a single one who wouldn't immediately jump on a cure if such a thing existed.
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Let me put it this way. Personality and your mind are basically the same thing. There's a lot of stereotypes about autistic behavior and stuff, but there's legitimate reasons why, say, trains are so appealing to autistic people and autistic kids particularly. If you "cured" the autism of a young train enthusiast, would they still like trains? People are under the impression mental illness is like a giant rock strapped to someone's back, and that by taking the rock away they'll be the exact same person but more comfortable and able, but while some are like that(like depression), it's a broad area and the idea easily slips into fundamentally altering who a person is. It's like if a person adopted a baby, but you for whatever reason time traveled to create an alternate timeline where the baby was adopted by someone else. When the two are eighteen they'd be the same person genetically, but still completely different people.
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Dec 27, 2016 17:06
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Yes, but autism has more downsides than "likes trains" and we want to cure those too. If curing the actual bad parts removes the train fascination, then I consider that a totally acceptable cost.
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Dec 27, 2016 17:09
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I have OCD cure pls halp. But anyhow the whole augment thing seems to have fallen apart because it was inconsistent what it symbolized from one moment to the next.
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Dec 27, 2016 17:20
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I like the very first augment Bashir episode a lot, but I kind of have to cringe and look the other way every time it's brought up after that. Bashir rattling off odds like C-3PO is almost as bad as Dukat turning into a Pah-wraith.
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Space is doing their old boxing week marathon thing now that they apparently care about Star Trek again. Maybe they ran out of Castle reruns?
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